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Post by Gods on Nov 23, 2020 12:27:14 GMT
'Conspiracy theories are a secular religion for the internet age'
Indeed they are. The more you reflect on it the truer it becomes.
What a f*cking great line that is!
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Post by northstaffycher on Nov 23, 2020 13:14:09 GMT
I had a normal good old British cold last week. Remember them? Then the Chinese had to come along with their ooh-aren't-I-special fancy-Dan virus.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 23, 2020 13:25:49 GMT
I had a normal good old British cold last week. Remember them? Then the Chinese had to come along with their ooh-aren't-I-special fancy-Dan virus. The common cold is so 2019.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 23, 2020 13:39:24 GMT
'Conspiracy theories are a secular religion for the internet age' Indeed they are. The more you reflect on it the truer it becomes. What a f*cking great line that is! The scientific method is the most reliable system we have to determine the probability of a hypothesis in the Internet age or any other age. It has stood the test of time since the 17th century, the fact that it is not a mandatory philosophical discipline in schools all over the world is criminally negligent. "no amount of success can prove me right. Each confirming instance only increases my confidence in my idea. As Albert Einstein famously said: "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong. There are plenty of peer reviewed experimental data sets that do indeed prove some of these theories wrong. "If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.” — Richard FeynmanThe "method" requires a response from the hypothesis, not just a metaphorical "bollocks I don't believe it"
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 23, 2020 13:53:46 GMT
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Post by Gods on Nov 23, 2020 14:04:15 GMT
Boris will tell us the strategy is working 'contain until a vaccine is available', Oxford man will say 'well I just happen to have one of those in my jacket pocket', Whitty will urge caution at Christmas 'Don't give anyone more than a present'. Offer some vague platitudes up in response to any awkward questions, get out of there, the jobs a good'un!
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Post by musik on Nov 23, 2020 14:35:08 GMT
I missed the FHM press conference today.
But I can't really say I missed it ...
😴
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 23, 2020 14:35:19 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 23, 2020 14:35:21 GMT
I had a normal good old British cold last week. Remember them? Then the Chinese had to come along with their ooh-aren't-I-special fancy-Dan virus. The common cold is so 2019. Well Covid's so 2019 it even named itself after it. Keep up.
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 23, 2020 15:19:19 GMT
For a change, I actually think it is thought through. The idea is to give people 'light at the end of the tunnel' in December and to give a boost to peoples mental well being before a long hard January/February which is inevitable. Alternatively we could say no to Christmas, have people break the rules anyway and subject the population to a winter of absolute misery with little respite.
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Post by chad on Nov 23, 2020 15:21:42 GMT
Up to 4000 fans to be allowed into stadiums Dependant on tier levels
ST holders in a ballot ????
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 23, 2020 15:37:30 GMT
We have to accept the first step toward conspiracy thinking is losing trust in the default narrative. This is completely rational as the actors in the default narrative, ones that only 40-50 years ago had a lot of trust in the bank, have been lying about absoluteit everything to the point that now we have peer to peer information sharing there is a massive vacuum of trust and a deluge of information/ bullshit. I realise they couldnt see the impacts of the internet clearly, but they lost the trust in an era they thought thet could abuse it. And here we are. A colossal shit show. The idea of the "default narrative" is straight out of the conspiracy theory textbook. There is no "default narrative" at least in a working democracy with a free press and independent academic institutions. That "default narrative" is a consistent squabble of competing ideas - no-one person or institution is constructing an agreed "default narrative". Have you ever come across a news item in The Daily Mail and The Guardian that are presenting the same narrative - let alone The Socialist Worker and The Spectator. Who are the "they" - another alt right conspiracy theory construct. The internet was invented by the US military - if "they" really were in control letting it loose in the real world would make "them" look like complete idiots. The reality is the governance of the world wide web is shaped by the western liberal democratic ideas of a free press - not by the Orwellian "they" wanting to control the minds of their underlings. If anyone is into mind control it's those behind the alt right conspiracy theories. They want people to see the world in terms of competing narratives because if it came down to presenting evidence and being subject to the rigours of scientific and academic analysis their narrative would fall apart. They want to reduce debate to fight based on who has the best story to tell. Conspiracy theories are a secular religion for the internet age. People are good at constructing patterns and a narrative is a pattern in words. Homosapien's first attempt at explaining the world was via religion - which is a complex narrative with an internal logic that provides a comfortable home for brains that like patterns. Scientific and rigorous analysis do not come naturally and it took millenia for that way of thinking to challenge the religious view of the world and the most radical idea science has put out there is that the world isn't subject to any over arching narrative - it evolves through chance, cock up and happy incident and accumulates ways of being in the world that facilitate survival. Like democratic institutions and vaccinations. The most scary thing about conspiracy theories is that they want people to go back to believing in narratives - preferably theirs - nd the best way of doing that is to discredit the institutions that uphold a way of looking at the world that goes beyond believing fairy tales. The internet was free, a wild west. But in reaction to the proliferation of information, some of it uncomfortable truth, it's getting less and less so. When I talk about "they", its is not a homogenous conspiracy where some are in on it and some are not. I thought that was clear. I was talking about people in positions of public responsibility. Politicians, businesspeolle, journalist, yes even many doctors and scientists, have taken plenty of money to further profits by being flexible with the truth. Corporate scientists have undermined trust in something that should have remained sacrosanct. But where there is money and profit people no longer trust any voices. There a doctor driven opium epidemic in the states ffs. With television and print media as the primary information sources, it got increasingly difficult for investigative journalists to do their job as the last century went on. The Blair government in this country changed the game in terms of spin/ integrity pay off. And then into this vacuum of trust, where "they are all liars" "all the same" comes the internet. In the early 60's the Milgrim shock experiment demonstrated the level of peoples trust in assumed authority, a white coat was enough to potentially kill someone. In just over 50 years, half the western world wont have a vaccine or diesnt believe theres a virus at all. A white cant stop people potentially killing someone. That is a lot of squandered trust. Via corporate lobbying, corporate media and greedy politics. While I consider learning to suspend absolute trust of authority to have been rational, I totally agree with you that many peoples position of just adopting another absolute narrative has been a regretful consequence. We need to encourage scepticism not contrianism and paranoia. But I maintain this shit show is fifty years in the making and the type of people who lost the trust are among the same pushing the idea that they should be allowed to control the internet. That's going to work out well.
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Post by Northy on Nov 23, 2020 15:55:51 GMT
wow, does anybody listen to this dossier fiddling war mongerer, I thought he'd gone a bit deranged and needed sanctioning a while back
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 23, 2020 15:58:19 GMT
Up to 4000 fans to be allowed into stadiums Dependant on tier levels ST holders in a ballot ???? We'll be in tier 3 so no need to worry about this for a while.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 23, 2020 16:01:32 GMT
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Post by chad on Nov 23, 2020 16:13:48 GMT
Criticism is easy. Doesn’t propose his own solution though does he
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Post by chad on Nov 23, 2020 16:14:58 GMT
Up to 4000 fans to be allowed into stadiums Dependant on tier levels ST holders in a ballot ???? We'll be in tier 3 so no need to worry about this for a while. Sadly true. But you would hope that maybe Feb we could get some fans in.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 23, 2020 16:24:22 GMT
We'll be in tier 3 so no need to worry about this for a while. Sadly true. But you would hope that maybe Feb we could get some fans in. That Jack Brereton just stood up and asked Hancock and I’d be pretty hopeful after the praise he gave Stoke that it’ll be Tier 2 and not Tier 3
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 23, 2020 16:25:18 GMT
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Post by drfootball on Nov 23, 2020 16:25:50 GMT
This guy could lie about the colour of orange juice. Who care`s what he thinks ?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 23, 2020 16:39:14 GMT
Never thought I’d be cheering the Mail 😳
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 23, 2020 16:48:48 GMT
It's a fair point isn't it?
"I’m seeing patients that have facial rashes, fungal infections, bacterial infections. Reports coming from my colleagues, all over the world, are suggesting that the bacterial pneumonias are on the rise.
“Why might that be? Because untrained members of the public are wearing medical masks, repeatedly… in a non-sterile fashion… They’re becoming contaminated. They’re pulling them off of their car seat, off the rearview mirror, out of their pocket, from their countertop, and they’re reapplying a mask that should be worn fresh and sterile every single time.”
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 23, 2020 16:53:05 GMT
Alastair Campbell the dumb fuckers Dominic Cummings
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Post by greenhoff on Nov 23, 2020 16:53:44 GMT
It's a fair point isn't it? "I’m seeing patients that have facial rashes, fungal infections, bacterial infections. Reports coming from my colleagues, all over the world, are suggesting that the bacterial pneumonias are on the rise.
“Why might that be? Because untrained members of the public are wearing medical masks, repeatedly… in a non-sterile fashion… They’re becoming contaminated. They’re pulling them off of their car seat, off the rearview mirror, out of their pocket, from their countertop, and they’re reapplying a mask that should be worn fresh and sterile every single time.”Again Paul. Bang on the money.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 23, 2020 17:05:23 GMT
It's a fair point isn't it? "I’m seeing patients that have facial rashes, fungal infections, bacterial infections. Reports coming from my colleagues, all over the world, are suggesting that the bacterial pneumonias are on the rise.
“Why might that be? Because untrained members of the public are wearing medical masks, repeatedly… in a non-sterile fashion… They’re becoming contaminated. They’re pulling them off of their car seat, off the rearview mirror, out of their pocket, from their countertop, and they’re reapplying a mask that should be worn fresh and sterile every single time.”Another Twitter warning when trying to access the underlying article 🤔 I was just interested to understand why bacterial pneumonia increased in 1918. EDIT: Found it, was written 2008 citing Fauci of all people yet I got a warning on Twitter in 2020. www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic#:~:text=Instead%2C%20most%20victims%20succumbed%20to,the%20bronchial%20tubes%20and%20lungs.
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Post by Davef on Nov 23, 2020 17:07:00 GMT
It's a fair point isn't it? "I’m seeing patients that have facial rashes, fungal infections, bacterial infections. Reports coming from my colleagues, all over the world, are suggesting that the bacterial pneumonias are on the rise.
“Why might that be? Because untrained members of the public are wearing medical masks, repeatedly… in a non-sterile fashion… They’re becoming contaminated. They’re pulling them off of their car seat, off the rearview mirror, out of their pocket, from their countertop, and they’re reapplying a mask that should be worn fresh and sterile every single time.”I was predictably slagged off by a couple of people last week when I said that it was dispiriting to see so many people wearing masks outside. That tweet is hardly surprising and it wouldn't surprise me if we heard of other people, particularly the elderly suffering from other breathing problems in the not too distant future. As for school kids wearing them outside, words fail me. It can only be a fashion thing. Idiots.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 23, 2020 17:10:21 GMT
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Post by Timmypotter on Nov 23, 2020 17:13:29 GMT
It's a fair point isn't it? "I’m seeing patients that have facial rashes, fungal infections, bacterial infections. Reports coming from my colleagues, all over the world, are suggesting that the bacterial pneumonias are on the rise.
“Why might that be? Because untrained members of the public are wearing medical masks, repeatedly… in a non-sterile fashion… They’re becoming contaminated. They’re pulling them off of their car seat, off the rearview mirror, out of their pocket, from their countertop, and they’re reapplying a mask that should be worn fresh and sterile every single time.”Another Twitter warning when trying to access the underlying article 🤔 I was just interested to understand why bacterial pneumonia increased in 1918. EDIT: Found it, was written 2008 citing Fauci of all people yet I got a warning on Twitter in 2020. www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic#:~:text=Instead%2C%20most%20victims%20succumbed%20to,the%20bronchial%20tubes%20and%20lungs. I'm afraid that is forbidden knowledge. Report to room 101 for debrief immediately.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 23, 2020 17:14:11 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 23, 2020 17:14:42 GMT
Sadly true. But you would hope that maybe Feb we could get some fans in. That Jack Brereton just stood up and asked Hancock and I’d be pretty hopeful after the praise he gave Stoke that it’ll be Tier 2 and not Tier 3 How can a place that's top 4 in the country not be tier 3?
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