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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2020 18:44:40 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 28, 2020 18:49:05 GMT
Chances are his circle of friends are all involved in it too which would make it harder to break away. I was trying to think how easy it would be to radicalise someone. You would start with something people have in common to start like Brexit for instance and then after a few years of it not going anywhere that anger could easily be used. 1st you would build up a base of people all interested and angry about that particular topic. They all agree with eachother keep retweeting messages as they all have a link to eachother and before they know it they are part of group all on the same page and have now built up some form of trust. Once your in that position you can slowly change topic slightly and lead people on the same path. I look at people like Carl Heneghan for instance and look at people who are supportive of his views and most of them will be retweeting views from all the same people. I'm not saying he is radicalising people at all but you can imagine how easy it could be to channel that anger and manipulate a pool of people all with the same line of thinking once that trust has been built. More condescending Poundland psychoanalysis. You're caricaturing mate. And pathetic and embarrassing it is. You can congratulate yourself on your deep perceptions. None of which are true, by the way. Using my psychoanalysis you're using techniques to keep people in line and win approval from the crowd. If you think it's acceptable for your life to disappear down the shitter over something as deadly as flu, and which is flu in many cases, fair enough. But there's people dying at home, people with life threatening illness getting no treatment, people losing their livelihoods, businesses, life-savings, marriage, not seeing their families. Your view will be minority before too long, if this continues. We live on an island, we should have shut the country down and gone for the Zero Covid approach and we would be in a far better position than we are now. Close the borders, localise test track and trace and you keep the bulk of the economy going with few restrictions. That should have been the way through this mess instead of a continual semi lockdown whilst all the kogs that keep the country going are seizing up. Instead we have many businesses doing nothing, people losing there jobs and restrictions stopping some businesses making any profits all whilst Covid runs free, people dying, many long term suffers maybe lifetime which will also have a huge mental health effect....but why copy the countries that are doing the best hey.
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2020 19:08:27 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 28, 2020 19:38:24 GMT
French President Emmanuel Macron has announced a second national lockdown for at least the whole of November. Mr Macron said under the new measures, starting on Friday, people will only be allowed to leave home for essential work or medical reasons. Non-essential businesses, such as restaurants and bars, will close, but schools and factories will remain open. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54716993
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Post by dexta on Oct 28, 2020 19:39:52 GMT
France and Germany going into lockdown.. Wales and Ireland already in lockdown is bozza playing a waiting game again... Or will is tier shit pull us through.. I honestly think he hasn't a scooby
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2020 19:42:20 GMT
France and Germany going into lockdown.. Wales and Ireland already in lockdown is bozza playing a waiting game again... Or will is tier shit pull us through.. I honestly think he hasn't a scooby Youre spot on there about Boris but I personally think it’s only a matter of time before the same happens here
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 28, 2020 19:44:20 GMT
All of the data is sketchy, that's what makes it so hard to develop a true understanding of what is going on. You said that the things that don't change are the number of people who are admitted to hospital and the number of deaths but even those figures don't mean a whole lot without any context. What percentage of the people being admitted to hospitals are coming from care homes? If it's a substantial percentage, then is having a lockdown going to help with that? What percentage of the people in hospitals 'with' Covid were admitted with something else but caught it in hospital. If it's a substantial percentage, then is having a lockdown going to help with that? What percentage of the people in hospitals 'with' Covid were admitted for something else entirely but only realised they 'had' it when they were routinely tested for it on admittance and aren't actually sick from Covid at all? What number of people would ordinarily be in hospital with respiratory illnesses at this time of year and how does that compare to previous years, is the number much different and if it isn't, is there a good possibility that the people in hospital with Covid now, would have been in hospital with another type of respiratory illness anyway? And the same question applies to deaths, how many people at this time of year would ordinarily die in hospital form a respiratory illness, is the figure much different at the moment? And finally ... on average 1600 people a day die in hospital, has that figure significantly changed and also, if you die in hospital from cancer, or a heart attack, or pneumonia etc. and you have tested positive for Covid are you then included in the Covid death figures? Without answers to all these questions, then I think it's extremely hard to develop a considered opinion on what is happening. My father in law has just been to hospital with a chest infection, released and now isolating for 14 days because he was exposed to someone who tested positive for Covid. If he gets Covid it will kill him because he has too many underlying conditions. He is back at home now so depending on how that evolves I can understand where your coming from and is it being seeded back into care homes is another good question. There are so many factors and so many different theories which may be true. You make some very good points but that information is not likely to be released until a full investigation has taken place even though it should be made available sooner. How the virus is spreading is highly important as it will help people change their habits to suit. We could ask how many deaths are being classed as pneumonia or heart attack or stroke when they were killed by Covid, some of the data can swing both ways. Is the 28 day cut off a cover up for the shit job the government has done. The average number of respiratory deaths for this time of year might be important but I'm not quite sure what it would mean when we have many restrictions which should distort much of that information this not being a normal year. Where are we with the 1600 a day so far? Do we go from march to march to get the true impact of Covid? Until we get through as full year of Covid then we won't know yet. A year with Covid is going to be more accurate. We haven't seen through the worse months for deaths with Covid yet and already excess deaths are high. Best wishes and good luck to your father in law mate.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 28, 2020 19:57:09 GMT
France and Germany going into lockdown.. Wales and Ireland already in lockdown is bozza playing a waiting game again... Or will is tier shit pull us through.. I honestly think he hasn't a scooby Youre spot on there about Boris but I personally think it’s only a matter of time before the same happens here Spot on but it’s 4 weeks too late it was so blindlingly obvious weeks ago and this time there can be no excuse Our death rates and economy have both fared worse than our Peers He’s clearly finished but how many more will he kill before he goes Also note how clear the communication is in Germany and France no regional crap , no complex tiers just “ Just f... do it “
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2020 19:57:53 GMT
Ironically, there are a couple of programmes on BBC4 tonight about the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 28, 2020 20:10:52 GMT
France and Germany going into lockdown.. Wales and Ireland already in lockdown is bozza playing a waiting game again... Or will is tier shit pull us through.. I honestly think he hasn't a scooby Youre spot on there about Boris but I personally think it’s only a matter of time before the same happens here Announcement next week I reckon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 20:12:33 GMT
I was reading recently that total deaths from respiratory illness (flu, pneumonia etc) this year, were similar to previous years averages.
The inference being that although covid deaths are being rammed down our throats every day, there must have been a drop off in flu deaths and pneumonia deaths.
Does anybody have any latest data or figures on this? Its an interesting point.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 28, 2020 20:13:04 GMT
France and Germany going into lockdown.. Wales and Ireland already in lockdown is bozza playing a waiting game again... Or will is tier shit pull us through.. I honestly think he hasn't a scooby Youre spot on there about Boris but I personally think it’s only a matter of time before the same happens here Of course it is, we're only delaying the inevitable. I think a circuit breaker in England is imminent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 20:13:39 GMT
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2020 20:15:31 GMT
Check his recent posts on his profile, he posted about it yesterday. And he wasn't happy!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2020 20:17:53 GMT
Youre spot on there about Boris but I personally think it’s only a matter of time before the same happens here Announcement next week I reckon. It’ll take the useless twat longer than that but it’s coming
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 28, 2020 20:42:36 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 28, 2020 20:43:04 GMT
My father in law has just been to hospital with a chest infection, released and now isolating for 14 days because he was exposed to someone who tested positive for Covid. If he gets Covid it will kill him because he has too many underlying conditions. He is back at home now so depending on how that evolves I can understand where your coming from and is it being seeded back into care homes is another good question. There are so many factors and so many different theories which may be true. You make some very good points but that information is not likely to be released until a full investigation has taken place even though it should be made available sooner. How the virus is spreading is highly important as it will help people change their habits to suit. We could ask how many deaths are being classed as pneumonia or heart attack or stroke when they were killed by Covid, some of the data can swing both ways. Is the 28 day cut off a cover up for the shit job the government has done. The average number of respiratory deaths for this time of year might be important but I'm not quite sure what it would mean when we have many restrictions which should distort much of that information this not being a normal year. Where are we with the 1600 a day so far? Do we go from march to march to get the true impact of Covid? Until we get through as full year of Covid then we won't know yet. A year with Covid is going to be more accurate. We haven't seen through the worse months for deaths with Covid yet and already excess deaths are high. Best wishes and good luck to your father in law mate. Cheers mate, he's really good in himself at the minute so hopefully he will be ok. I think it's just a precautionary measure it sounded like everything possible was done to reduce it spreading to other people.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 28, 2020 20:46:38 GMT
I see Scientific advisers, albeit unnamed, are suggesting tougher measures are being introduced at Christmas with the West Midlands Police chief threatening that they will force their way into homes to break up Christmas Dinners if there is a breaking of the rules. What a lovely country we live in. Another move closer to Orwell. Rat on your neighbours and now this?
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Post by Northy on Oct 28, 2020 20:48:04 GMT
I’m currently in a taxi. Three of us like sardines in the back. Our 4th mate wasn’t allowed in the front Who the fuck makes up these rules The person protecting the driver, sit you in the back and open the front and back windows slightly, air flow goes from front to back
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2020 20:48:47 GMT
Spare a thought for those struggling through these lockdowns
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Post by thevoid on Oct 28, 2020 20:49:26 GMT
I’m currently in a taxi. Three of us like sardines in the back. Our 4th mate wasn’t allowed in the front Who the fuck makes up these rules Wednesday afternoon beers with the boys? Like it 😅 Midweek afternoon is the new Saturday night.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 28, 2020 20:49:57 GMT
I’m currently in a taxi. Three of us like sardines in the back. Our 4th mate wasn’t allowed in the front Who the fuck makes up these rules The person protecting the driver, sit you in the back and open the front and back windows slightly, air flow goes from front to back I think that post tells you all you need to know about him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2020 20:51:38 GMT
The person protecting the driver, sit you in the back and open the front and back windows slightly, air flow goes from front to back I think that post tells you all you need to know about him. Yes that was my first thought also🤔
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Post by Northy on Oct 28, 2020 20:52:53 GMT
People have previously asked you lots of questions, myself included. But you ignore most of them, which suggests you’re well versed in this rhetoric but not able or prepared to counter when posters pick holes in some of your quite frankly bizarre “communist conspiracy” arguments. And I still haven’t figured out I’d you think COVID is made up or not because you seem to change like the wind on that one..... Whether there is a virus around or not, whether it's a usual annual strain with a rebranding or not, there is no pandemic. Only a pandemic under the revised WHO guidelines, deliberately changed in 2009 to propagate the swine flu hoax pandemic. It's no more deadly than any usual similar strain. Only lights, smoke and mirror techniques have given us the supposed covid case and death count and the resulting fear. The 'conspiracy theorists' at the advisory committee on dangerous pathogens concluded that it not a high consequence infectious disease. You talk of 'bizarre' theories, when most of the info is contained in official documents. By the way, I present the document, not the views of others. There's an explanation to what that letter means onthewight.com/why-covid-19-was-downgraded-from-high-consequence-infectious-disease-hcid-classification-the-reasons-and-understanding-them/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 28, 2020 20:53:32 GMT
I’m currently in a taxi. Three of us like sardines in the back. Our 4th mate wasn’t allowed in the front Who the fuck makes up these rules The person protecting the driver, sit you in the back and open the front and back windows slightly, air flow goes from front to back That's what I did picking my father in law up from the hospital, just common sense.
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2020 20:56:33 GMT
If sitting in the front of a car is such a problem, why are there so many driving instructors still going about their business?
Do masks work or don't they?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 20:58:41 GMT
Check his recent posts on his profile, he posted about it yesterday. And he wasn't happy! As I suspected. More half arsed, misleading, arse gravy from the media.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 28, 2020 21:02:26 GMT
If sitting in the front of a car is such a problem, why are there so many driving instructors still going about their business? Taxis are high risk. You would think Driving instructors would be high risk too given most of the learners are in the age group most likely to get infected and asymptomatic. They wear masks, both in the front but not seen if they have their windows down too.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 28, 2020 21:16:58 GMT
If sitting in the front of a car is such a problem, why are there so many driving instructors still going about their business? Do masks work or don't they? A lot of taxis have a perspex barrier between the front and back seats to give the driver more protection. I'm sorry you're not interested in protecting people in high risk jobs.
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Post by Davef on Oct 28, 2020 21:20:29 GMT
If sitting in the front of a car is such a problem, why are there so many driving instructors still going about their business? Do masks work or don't they? A lot of taxis have a perspex barrier between the front and back seats to give the driver more protection. I'm sorry you're not interested in protecting people in high risk jobs. What about driving instructors? And don't talk shit.
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