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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 12:28:54 GMT
But the fact it's just the same now means they shouldn't really be playing on it and using it the way they are. We are in exactly the same situation as we are every year just with more people panicking. And actually they don't seem to be doing anything to increase that capacity which seems bonkers. I'm not interested about how they are 'playing it' I just don't want ICU beds being overloaded. I'll leave the political stuff to other people on here as they seem to be infatuated with their tribal arguments. They aren't being though and it's the same as last year.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 19, 2020 12:31:09 GMT
I'm not interested about how they are 'playing it' I just don't want ICU beds being overloaded. I'll leave the political stuff to other people on here as they seem to be infatuated with their tribal arguments. They aren't being though and it's the same as last year. Yes we know the government is totally wank but it's been done to death. We aren't going to suddenly increase ICU spaces dramatically overnight so bearing that in mind we need to ensure we don't overwhelm the health service.
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Post by andystokey on Oct 19, 2020 12:32:05 GMT
Is it? MON didn't have to...... If he has been around someone who has tested positive then he would have to isolate because of that wouldn't he? A negative test wouldn't give you a pass in that situation would it in case you develop symptoms later. If he hasn't been around anyone who has tested positive then he shouldn't have to isolate. So the test added no value at all? 🤔
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 19, 2020 12:37:04 GMT
If he has been around someone who has tested positive then he would have to isolate because of that wouldn't he? A negative test wouldn't give you a pass in that situation would it in case you develop symptoms later. If he hasn't been around anyone who has tested positive then he shouldn't have to isolate. So the test added no value at all? 🤔 No because if he had tested positive his whole household would have to isolate and people who he had been in touch with. As it stands only he has to isolate unless he starts to show symptoms or test positive later.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 19, 2020 12:38:02 GMT
I'm not interested about how they are 'playing it' I just don't want ICU beds being overloaded. I'll leave the political stuff to other people on here as they seem to be infatuated with their tribal arguments. They aren't being though and it's the same as last year. ICU provision is pitched at dealing with peak periods with a little bit of headroom. We are now where we year this time last year but this year, unlike last year, there is the imminent threat that covid cases will take off and the little slack there is in the system will be overwhelmed. To not do anything until the system is at 100% capacity is insane - once the caseload has reached that point new cases will be increasing exponentially and the system will collapse. You can't just switch infections off like a tap. Using hospitalisations as a trigger for action is as sensible as trying to put on a bullet proof jacket after someone has pulled the trigger.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 12:45:30 GMT
They aren't being though and it's the same as last year. Yes we know the government is totally wank but it's been done to death. We aren't going to suddenly increase ICU spaces dramatically overnight so bearing that in mind we need to ensure we don't overwhelm the health service. It's lucky we haven't had 4/5 months to plan for this then
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 12:47:13 GMT
They aren't being though and it's the same as last year. ICU provision is pitched at dealing with peak periods with a little bit of headroom. We are now where we year this time last year but this year, unlike last year, there is the imminent threat that covid cases will take off and the little slack there is in the system will be overwhelmed. To not do anything until the system is at 100% capacity is insane - once the caseload has reached that point new cases will be increasing exponentially and the system will collapse. You can't just switch infections off like a tap. Using hospitalisations as a trigger for action is as sensible as trying to put on a bullet proof jacket after someone has pulled the trigger. They didn't get overrun in the first wave. This second wave is characterised by a much slower growth rate and we've had months to plan for it. Questions need to be asked of the government and NHS as to why they're panicking with what seems like actually quite a managable situation.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 19, 2020 12:50:20 GMT
If he has been around someone who has tested positive then he would have to isolate because of that wouldn't he? A negative test wouldn't give you a pass in that situation would it in case you develop symptoms later. If he hasn't been around anyone who has tested positive then he shouldn't have to isolate. So the test added no value at all? 🤔 My lad had hallmark covid symptoms for 3 or 4 days but because he got a test which turned out to be negative he was allowed to go back to work straight away and continued his normal life. Why anyone wouldn't do the responsible thing and get a test is beyond me.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 19, 2020 12:51:54 GMT
They aren't being though and it's the same as last year. Yes we know the government is totally wank but it's been done to death. We aren't going to suddenly increase ICU spaces dramatically overnight so bearing that in mind we need to ensure we don't overwhelm the health service. Wouldn't it be great if someone could design a mobile ICU which can travel to parts of the country where needed. Park it in a heated warehouse of some sort and set it up transformer like. Probably a wild idea but I have a tendency to over think things.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 12:59:40 GMT
The Welsh first minister has said critical care units are full.
This is of course a load of absolute bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 13:00:31 GMT
Yes we know the government is totally wank but it's been done to death. We aren't going to suddenly increase ICU spaces dramatically overnight so bearing that in mind we need to ensure we don't overwhelm the health service. Wouldn't it be great if someone could design a mobile ICU which can travel to parts of the country where needed. Park it in a heated warehouse of some sort and set it up transformer like. Probably a wild idea but I have a tendency to over think things. Or have massive convention centres ready to use as hospitals spread around the country......
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 19, 2020 13:04:04 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2020 13:11:37 GMT
It is really yes. At the outset of this, if you had symptoms you were told to isolate. Why would you do anything different now? How would my action in getting a test help other people anymore than my actions to stay in and not go anywhere at all were I not feeling very well would do? I don't know why things like this need to be explained. We always say politicians are out of touch but the same can be said for most of the country. If you are infected and get ill then anyone you have been in contact with could pass on the virus who then go on to pass on the virus. The people you have been in contact with may then go on to infect vulnerable people, but if you have taken a test then it's possible to break the chains of transmission through track and trace and help stop vulnerable people becoming ill and helping bring the number of cases down therefore helping the country get back to normal quicker. What if you haven't come into contact with anyone? We aren't supposed to be socialising?
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 19, 2020 13:12:10 GMT
So If I have a test I'll save bodybuilders?
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Post by andystokey on Oct 19, 2020 13:13:34 GMT
So the test added no value at all? 🤔 My lad had hallmark covid symptoms for 3 or 4 days but because he got a test which turned out to be negative he was allowed to go back to work straight away and continued his normal life. Why anyone wouldn't do the responsible thing and get a test is beyond me. Are you suggesting that anyone who has a cough or a temperature should get a test otherwise they are irresponsible? Because my son had exactly that last week 40deg and a cough was taken to Royal Stoke and they never tested him for Covid and sent him home diagnosis tonsilitis and some antibiotics.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 19, 2020 13:14:47 GMT
The Welsh first minister has said critical care units are full. This is of course a load of absolute bollocks. Well it wouldn't take much for the critical care units to be full in Wales. Some of the Welsh hospitals are tiny though and if they are seeing their usual 80% demand already again it doesn't take much working out that a small number could take capacity over the tipping point.
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Post by zerps on Oct 19, 2020 13:16:03 GMT
Covid will vanish after the us fire break election
You watch
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Post by musik on Oct 19, 2020 13:16:24 GMT
Sweden has handled the two crisis, Migration in 2015 and Corona in 2020, very different compared to other countries, according to Financial Times.
Tegnell answered that the migration in 2015 wasn't really a crisis.
Therefore he was questioned by the swedish press.
He tried to say he thought it was from a people health perspective ...
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 19, 2020 13:17:12 GMT
ICU provision is pitched at dealing with peak periods with a little bit of headroom. We are now where we year this time last year but this year, unlike last year, there is the imminent threat that covid cases will take off and the little slack there is in the system will be overwhelmed. To not do anything until the system is at 100% capacity is insane - once the caseload has reached that point new cases will be increasing exponentially and the system will collapse. You can't just switch infections off like a tap. Using hospitalisations as a trigger for action is as sensible as trying to put on a bullet proof jacket after someone has pulled the trigger. They didn't get overrun in the first wave. This second wave is characterised by a much slower growth rate and we've had months to plan for it. Questions need to be asked of the government and NHS as to why they're panicking with what seems like actually quite a managable situation. The lockdown happened before ICUs were near capacity and the peak in covid related deaths. In addition the first wave happened as we were coming out of the winter months - we're now heading into the worst time of the year for respiratory diseases and, unlike last year, there is no vaccine for the main respiratory disease in circulation. It looks like a manageable situation to you because you haven't a clue about actual capacity and you're not responsible for dealing with the situation on the ground. Ignorance makes everyone an expert.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 19, 2020 13:17:53 GMT
I don't know why things like this need to be explained. We always say politicians are out of touch but the same can be said for most of the country. If you are infected and get ill then anyone you have been in contact with could pass on the virus who then go on to pass on the virus. The people you have been in contact with may then go on to infect vulnerable people, but if you have taken a test then it's possible to break the chains of transmission through track and trace and help stop vulnerable people becoming ill and helping bring the number of cases down therefore helping the country get back to normal quicker. What if you haven't come into contact with anyone? We aren't supposed to be socialising? There's millions of people who have to work in environments where it's not possible to social distance. Not getting a test if you have symptoms is just ridiculous.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 19, 2020 13:18:25 GMT
Why is he angry? Disappointed, fair enough. But angry?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2020 13:19:33 GMT
So the test added no value at all? 🤔 My lad had hallmark covid symptoms for 3 or 4 days but because he got a test which turned out to be negative he was allowed to go back to work straight away and continued his normal life. Why anyone wouldn't do the responsible thing and get a test is beyond me. Isnt it even more irresponsible to go back to work whilst symptomatic irrespective of what some unreliable test says to you? One of the big behavioral changes from this is surely that if you are poorly, irrespective of what you are poorly with, you isolate and don't play the martyr by going about your business as usual?
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Post by andystokey on Oct 19, 2020 13:20:16 GMT
Why is he angry? Disappointed, fair enough. But angry? Because a business man turned up at his house to give him a watch when the visitor had been contacted by T&T
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 13:21:46 GMT
The Welsh first minister has said critical care units are full. This is of course a load of absolute bollocks. Well it wouldn't take much for the critical care units to be full in Wales. Some of the Welsh hospitals are tiny though and if they are seeing their usual 80% demand already again it doesn't take much working out that a small number could take capacity over the tipping point. He’s said they are full.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 19, 2020 13:22:42 GMT
Why is he angry? Disappointed, fair enough. But angry? Because a business man turned up at his house to give him a watch when the visitor had been contacted by T&T Got you. Naughty business man.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 13:23:50 GMT
They didn't get overrun in the first wave. This second wave is characterised by a much slower growth rate and we've had months to plan for it. Questions need to be asked of the government and NHS as to why they're panicking with what seems like actually quite a managable situation. The lockdown happened before ICUs were near capacity and the peak in covid related deaths. In addition the first wave happened as we were coming out of the winter months - we're now heading into the worst time of the year for respiratory diseases and, unlike last year, there is no vaccine for the main respiratory disease in circulation. It looks like a manageable situation to you because you haven't a clue about actual capacity and you're not responsible for dealing with the situation on the ground. Ignorance makes everyone an expert. They are at the exact same place this year as they are last in the worst hit part of the country. And then they’re lying about it. Why?
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 19, 2020 13:26:38 GMT
I thought a positive test meant you didn't have to isolate?
That's whta we were told anyway.
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Post by andystokey on Oct 19, 2020 13:28:27 GMT
Because a business man turned up at his house to give him a watch when the visitor had been contacted by T&T Got you. Naughty business man. Like he needs another free watch anyway.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 19, 2020 13:31:21 GMT
I don't know why things like this need to be explained. We always say politicians are out of touch but the same can be said for most of the country. If you are infected and get ill then anyone you have been in contact with could pass on the virus who then go on to pass on the virus. The people you have been in contact with may then go on to infect vulnerable people, but if you have taken a test then it's possible to break the chains of transmission through track and trace and help stop vulnerable people becoming ill and helping bring the number of cases down therefore helping the country get back to normal quicker. What if you haven't come into contact with anyone? We aren't supposed to be socialising? Then the test and trace won't have anything to follow up on. The app is supposed to pick up much of who you have been near. For instance if you went into a shop or pub and you were around people for a certain length of time then the app would alert other people if you post that you have received a positive test. I think you also get a phone call if you test positive to help track who you may have been in contact with. If you are ill though your whole household has to isolate until you get the results from a test, it's not a case of you staying in for two weeks on the quiet whilst everyone else is free to roam as tempting as that may be. If you are ill and live alone it would be wise to tell people if you have symptoms. Surely you would be better off knowing if you had Covid anyway.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 19, 2020 13:37:27 GMT
Well it wouldn't take much for the critical care units to be full in Wales. Some of the Welsh hospitals are tiny though and if they are seeing their usual 80% demand already again it doesn't take much working out that a small number could take capacity over the tipping point. He’s said they are full. Maybe some are full
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