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Post by Davef on Oct 19, 2020 9:51:53 GMT
Why would you even go and get tested? It's almost like people want to wear covid like a badge of honour. If you feel a bit crap, as many do when they get it, just go to bed and avoid other people for a couple of weeks. Be sensible, protect others and then get on with things. If you are well enough to go to a test centre, you are well enough not to bother getting tested in first place. Yep. Turkeys voting for Christmas. The advice at the very beginning of this was to self isolate if you had symptoms. Now we're doing 300,000 tests a day and wrecking our society. And the economy we need to function to keep healthcare running to help those genuinely in need is crashing further by the day.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 19, 2020 9:52:15 GMT
Why would you even go and get tested? It's almost like people want to wear covid like a badge of honour. If you feel a bit crap, as many do when they get it, just go to bed and avoid other people for a couple of weeks. Be sensible, protect others and then get on with things. If you are well enough to go to a test centre, you are well enough not to bother getting tested in first place. The moral thing to do is to get a test. Your actions can help other people is that too hard to understand.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 19, 2020 10:08:03 GMT
Why would you even go and get tested? It's almost like people want to wear covid like a badge of honour. If you feel a bit crap, as many do when they get it, just go to bed and avoid other people for a couple of weeks. Be sensible, protect others and then get on with things. If you are well enough to go to a test centre, you are well enough not to bother getting tested in first place. The moral thing to do is to get a test. Your actions can help other people is that too hard to understand. If you had symptoms and went about your business as normal that would indeed be immoral If you get flu like symptoms and Isolate yourself why get tested? If you have no symptoms again you don’t need a test Anyone with no symptoms should not be forced to get a test
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 19, 2020 10:13:43 GMT
Why would you even go and get tested? It's almost like people want to wear covid like a badge of honour. If you feel a bit crap, as many do when they get it, just go to bed and avoid other people for a couple of weeks. Be sensible, protect others and then get on with things. If you are well enough to go to a test centre, you are well enough not to bother getting tested in first place. I assume test and trace kicks in and try to track your previous contacts. It also helps dictate public policy, if everyone decided not to get tested we wouldn't know much about the spread of the virus.
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Post by Northy on Oct 19, 2020 10:24:42 GMT
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Post by henry on Oct 19, 2020 10:40:36 GMT
www.manchester.gov.uk/blog/leadersblog/post/908/covid-16%C2%A0-what-matters-is-what-works - Leader of Manchester City Council's blog Most people who test positive for the virus are not getting particularly ill. They are not the problem. Too many are now getting ill and the number of hospital cases is going up, as is the number of people with Covid in intensive care. That's the problem. I've spent a fair chunk of time over the last week talking to hospital staff about exactly what is going on. The good news is that they expect that now with improved treatment, they don't expect to see anything like the death rate we had back in April and May. The bad news is that if cases continue to rise, they will have to again start cancelling other patients treatments.
They do though know who in the population is, if they catch the virus, most at risk of hospitalisation - older people and people with existing underlying conditions, diabetes, obesity, high-blood pressure, other respiratory illnesses. If this is the evidence, wouldn't it be much better to have an effective shielding programme for those most at risk, rather than have a blanket business closure policy of dubious efficacy. Greater Manchester have estimated the cost of a shielding programme at around £14m a month, less than a fifth of the estimated cost of business closures.This is exactly what should be happening in my opinion. The government of course tried this method back in March but the situation is completely different now and we are far better prepared (or should be). If cancelling other treatments to make way for Covid patients is the only option, just what is the purpose of Nightingale hospitals?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2020 10:46:35 GMT
Why would you even go and get tested? It's almost like people want to wear covid like a badge of honour. If you feel a bit crap, as many do when they get it, just go to bed and avoid other people for a couple of weeks. Be sensible, protect others and then get on with things. If you are well enough to go to a test centre, you are well enough not to bother getting tested in first place. The moral thing to do is to get a test. Your actions can help other people is that too hard to understand. It is really yes. At the outset of this, if you had symptoms you were told to isolate. Why would you do anything different now? How would my action in getting a test help other people anymore than my actions to stay in and not go anywhere at all were I not feeling very well would do?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2020 10:48:17 GMT
Why would you even go and get tested? It's almost like people want to wear covid like a badge of honour. If you feel a bit crap, as many do when they get it, just go to bed and avoid other people for a couple of weeks. Be sensible, protect others and then get on with things. If you are well enough to go to a test centre, you are well enough not to bother getting tested in first place. I assume test and trace kicks in and try to track your previous contacts. It also helps dictate public policy, if everyone decided not to get tested we wouldn't know much about the spread of the virus. "not knowing much about the spread of the virus" is probably a damn site more than they know right now judging by the "make it up as you go along" policies that have been implemented throughout.
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Post by rorymscfc on Oct 19, 2020 11:05:05 GMT
www.manchester.gov.uk/blog/leadersblog/post/908/covid-16%C2%A0-what-matters-is-what-works - Leader of Manchester City Council's blog Most people who test positive for the virus are not getting particularly ill. They are not the problem. Too many are now getting ill and the number of hospital cases is going up, as is the number of people with Covid in intensive care. That's the problem. I've spent a fair chunk of time over the last week talking to hospital staff about exactly what is going on. The good news is that they expect that now with improved treatment, they don't expect to see anything like the death rate we had back in April and May. The bad news is that if cases continue to rise, they will have to again start cancelling other patients treatments.
They do though know who in the population is, if they catch the virus, most at risk of hospitalisation - older people and people with existing underlying conditions, diabetes, obesity, high-blood pressure, other respiratory illnesses. If this is the evidence, wouldn't it be much better to have an effective shielding programme for those most at risk, rather than have a blanket business closure policy of dubious efficacy. Greater Manchester have estimated the cost of a shielding programme at around £14m a month, less than a fifth of the estimated cost of business closures.This is exactly what should be happening in my opinion. The government of course tried this method back in March but the situation is completely different now and we are far better prepared (or should be). If cancelling other treatments to make way for Covid patients is the only option, just what is the purpose of Nightingale hospitals? The Nightingales provide beds and facilities but if they need to be staffed then those staff will have to be drawn from other areas of the health service, potentially leaving those areas short. A lot of dentists and vets went on Nightingale training during the first wave (I’m a dentist & put my name down but didn’t get called up but I know several who did) but as they are all back working now it’s doubtful whether even they would be available.
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 19, 2020 11:06:21 GMT
Why would you even go and get tested? It's almost like people want to wear covid like a badge of honour. If you feel a bit crap, as many do when they get it, just go to bed and avoid other people for a couple of weeks. Be sensible, protect others and then get on with things. If you are well enough to go to a test centre, you are well enough not to bother getting tested in first place. The moral thing to do is to get a test. Your actions can help other people is that too hard to understand. In what way?
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Post by Davef on Oct 19, 2020 11:11:26 GMT
Well no, they haven't. Despite Hancock's bullshit about putting a protective ring around care homes he doesn't give a shit about our elderly population.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 19, 2020 11:21:47 GMT
The Welsh announce a 2 week fire break starting Friday 6pm until Nov 9th No gatherings indoors or outdoors Only year 7 and 8 in secondary schools One off payment of 5,000 for those businesses that have to close
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Post by Northy on Oct 19, 2020 11:22:10 GMT
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 19, 2020 11:26:44 GMT
Well no, they haven't. Despite Hancock's bullshit about putting a protective ring around care homes he doesn't give a shit about our elderly population. My 90 year old grandad is just going about his business as usual now. His opinion being, he could be dead from something else by the time a vaccine arrives so he's not putting his life on hold in the mean time.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 19, 2020 11:29:22 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 19, 2020 11:31:37 GMT
Will be interesting in Wales on Halloween,Bonfire night and Remembrance Sunday🤔
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Post by stokeuk474 on Oct 19, 2020 11:44:24 GMT
What the fuck is a 'fire break'?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 19, 2020 11:59:21 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 12:01:49 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 19, 2020 12:03:19 GMT
He’s still got to self isolate
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 19, 2020 12:04:40 GMT
The moral thing to do is to get a test. Your actions can help other people is that too hard to understand. It is really yes. At the outset of this, if you had symptoms you were told to isolate. Why would you do anything different now? How would my action in getting a test help other people anymore than my actions to stay in and not go anywhere at all were I not feeling very well would do? I don't know why things like this need to be explained. We always say politicians are out of touch but the same can be said for most of the country. If you are infected and get ill then anyone you have been in contact with could pass on the virus who then go on to pass on the virus. The people you have been in contact with may then go on to infect vulnerable people, but if you have taken a test then it's possible to break the chains of transmission through track and trace and help stop vulnerable people becoming ill and helping bring the number of cases down therefore helping the country get back to normal quicker.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 12:06:30 GMT
He’s still got to self isolate Why?
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 19, 2020 12:08:27 GMT
Or someone they may pass it on to. Nobody knows where these people may work, they could work in care homes for all we know and because someone couldn't be arsed get a test and warn people could help cause an outbreak where there are a number of vulnerable people.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 19, 2020 12:09:21 GMT
He’s still got to self isolate Why?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 12:11:03 GMT
Is it? MON didn't have to......
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 19, 2020 12:14:34 GMT
Is it? MON didn't have to...... If he has been around someone who has tested positive then he would have to isolate because of that wouldn't he? A negative test wouldn't give you a pass in that situation would it in case you develop symptoms later. If he hasn't been around anyone who has tested positive then he shouldn't have to isolate.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 19, 2020 12:16:47 GMT
So the welsh schools go back half way through
You cannot make this inept shit up
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 19, 2020 12:22:40 GMT
If ICU beds are usually around 80% full this time of year then perhaps you can try and understand why they need to be careful that Covid admissions don't increase too much as it wouldn't take too a great upswing to cause major issues with ICU departments being overloaded.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 12:24:34 GMT
If ICU beds are usually around 80% full this time of year then perhaps you can try and understand why they need to be careful that Covid admissions don't go up too much otherwise it's not rocket science to understand that tmit wouldn't tske much to cause major issues with ICU departments being overloaded. But the fact it's just the same now means they shouldn't really be playing on it and using it the way they are. We are in exactly the same situation as we are every year just with more people panicking. And actually they don't seem to be doing anything to increase that capacity which seems bonkers.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 19, 2020 12:27:09 GMT
If ICU beds are usually around 80% full this time of year then perhaps you can try and understand why they need to be careful that Covid admissions don't go up too much otherwise it's not rocket science to understand that tmit wouldn't tske much to cause major issues with ICU departments being overloaded. But the fact it's just the same now means they shouldn't really be playing on it and using it the way they are. We are in exactly the same situation as we are every year just with more people panicking. And actually they don't seem to be doing anything to increase that capacity which seems bonkers. I'm not interested about how they are 'playing it' I just don't want ICU beds being overloaded. I'll leave the political stuff to other people on here as they seem to be infatuated with their tribal arguments.
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