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Post by partickpotter on Oct 19, 2020 13:38:00 GMT
Got you. Naughty business man. Like he needs another free watch anyway. That’s a strange story isn’t it!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 13:38:36 GMT
He’s lying Hackett and basing a major decision on a lie. What’s that about?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 19, 2020 13:42:22 GMT
The lockdown happened before ICUs were near capacity and the peak in covid related deaths. In addition the first wave happened as we were coming out of the winter months - we're now heading into the worst time of the year for respiratory diseases and, unlike last year, there is no vaccine for the main respiratory disease in circulation. It looks like a manageable situation to you because you haven't a clue about actual capacity and you're not responsible for dealing with the situation on the ground. Ignorance makes everyone an expert. They are at the exact same place this year as they are last in the worst hit part of the country. And then they’re lying about it. Why? I think it’s a case of not explaining the situation very well Hospital occupancy may currently be at a normal level, which is close to capacity, so nothing out of the order there. However, what is unusual is the likely ramp in demand due to coronavirus which will see us exceed normal levels in the coming weeks and, because capacity is tight, see the NHS get overloaded. That’s the theory - I think!
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Post by starkiller on Oct 19, 2020 13:45:31 GMT
Shocking use by the media of someone's death for fear propaganda. He didn't die of Covid19 and neither was it that caused the problems.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 13:45:42 GMT
They are at the exact same place this year as they are last in the worst hit part of the country. And then they’re lying about it. Why? I think it’s a case of not explaining the situation very well Hospital occupancy may currently be at a normal level, which is close to capacity, so nothing out of the order there. However, what is unusual is the likely ramp in demand due to coronavirus which will see us exceed normal levels in the coming weeks and, because capacity is tight, see the NHS get overloaded. That’s the theory - I think! I totally get that. It’s why I don’t understand why there isn’t added capacity already, the Nightingales aren’t open and they didn’t organise the staffing needed in the summer when they had time. Also with the 111 data and infection rate data the panic seems unnecessary as does the need for a circuit breaker.
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Post by Northy on Oct 19, 2020 13:50:44 GMT
Shocking use by the media of someone's death for fear propaganda. He didn't die of Covid19 and neither was it that caused the problems. so what did he die of then ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 13:53:51 GMT
Shocking use by the media of someone's death for fear propaganda. He didn't die of Covid19 and neither was it that caused the problems. Ah all a big coincidence then 🤦♂️
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 19, 2020 14:05:16 GMT
I thought a positive test meant you didn't have to isolate? That's whta we were told anyway. Why would a positive test mean you don't have to isolate? Of course you would. Do you mean negative?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 14:05:45 GMT
Shutting the country down seems natural......
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 19, 2020 14:08:27 GMT
My lad had hallmark covid symptoms for 3 or 4 days but because he got a test which turned out to be negative he was allowed to go back to work straight away and continued his normal life. Why anyone wouldn't do the responsible thing and get a test is beyond me. Isnt it even more irresponsible to go back to work whilst symptomatic irrespective of what some unreliable test says to you? One of the big behavioral changes from this is surely that if you are poorly, irrespective of what you are poorly with, you isolate and don't play the martyr by going about your business as usual? I'm pretty certain the rules are regardless of whether you've had a negative test or not, the self-isolation period is still 14 days. Could theoretically test negative on Day 6 and contract the virus on Day 7. Not sure how that works but that's why those coming back from a foreign country and having to quarantine cannot just simply have a negative test certificate to compensate.
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 19, 2020 14:11:15 GMT
I thought a positive test meant you didn't have to isolate? That's whta we were told anyway. Why would a positive test mean you don't have to isolate? Of course you would. Do you mean negative? Yeah that's what I meant sorry.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 14:12:10 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Oct 19, 2020 14:12:49 GMT
Shocking use by the media of someone's death for fear propaganda. He didn't die of Covid19 and neither was it that caused the problems. Ah all a big coincidence then 🤦♂️ "Died for any reason within 28 days of a (predominantly false) positive test." When this is how death scores are accumulated, do you think it's a coincidence that anyone might die, or just unfortunately a fact of life? Do people not die everyday? There's no coincidence with a rigged test. It's a cert that plenty will test positive. What do you think the flu death count would be with this 28 day criteria? We'd have been in a 'pandemic' for the last two thousand years. And this is how those on their last legs feature so heavily. The majority not admitted to hospital with covid19, but tested frequently until the magic positive result is secured. And you get classed as a covid admission too. The story is dripping with fear-peddling. Not even any attempt to hide the propaganda in the way that it's written.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 14:16:22 GMT
Ah all a big coincidence then 🤦♂️ "Died for any reason within 28 days of a (predominantly false) positive test." When this is how death scores are accumulated, do you think it's a coincidence that anyone might die, or just unfortunately a fact of life? Do people not die everyday? There's no coincidence with a rigged test. It's a cert that plenty will test positive. What do you think the flu death count would be with this 28 day criteria? We'd have been in a 'pandemic' for the last two thousand years. And this is how those on their last legs feature so heavily. The majority not admitted to hospital with covid19, but tested frequently until the magic positive result is secured. And you get classed as a covid admission too. The story is dripping with fear-peddling. The story is dripping with tragedy and a cautionary tale of why this disease is such a twat and we all need to be careful.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 19, 2020 14:18:24 GMT
Ah all a big coincidence then 🤦♂️ "Died for any reason within 28 days of a (predominantly false) positive test." When this is how death scores are accumulated, do you think it's a coincidence that anyone might die, or just unfortunately a fact of life? Do people not die everyday? There's no coincidence with a rigged test. It's a cert that plenty will test positive. And this is how those on their last legs feature so heavily. The majority not admitted to hospital with covid19, but tested frequently until the magic positive result is secured. The story is dripping with fear-peddling. The article says it triggered heart problems that were already there. That’s what killed him There is absolutely no evidence that covid triggered his heart and it could be many things including the fitness regime he kept that did that. Many fit people die every day Looking at the veins on his arms and behaviour such as this “ They split six months ago after she complained of 'constant betrayal, cursing, showdown and stress' “ in a non covid world there would be suggestions of “bodybuilding type supplements” I’m not disputing he did not catch covid in turkey but that article suggests his heart was just waiting to give way. And yes it’s now part of the covid cautionary tale
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Post by Davef on Oct 19, 2020 14:20:20 GMT
Why is he angry? Disappointed, fair enough. But angry? Because he knows there's nothing wrong with him and he's going to be stuck at home for nothing when he could be doing his job?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 19, 2020 14:25:45 GMT
I think it’s a case of not explaining the situation very well Hospital occupancy may currently be at a normal level, which is close to capacity, so nothing out of the order there. However, what is unusual is the likely ramp in demand due to coronavirus which will see us exceed normal levels in the coming weeks and, because capacity is tight, see the NHS get overloaded. That’s the theory - I think! I totally get that. It’s why I don’t understand why there isn’t added capacity already, the Nightingales aren’t open and they didn’t organise the staffing needed in the summer when they had time. Also with the 111 data and infection rate data the panic seems unnecessary as does the need for a circuit breaker. This is definitely the bit of information that is missing - the capacity now should be higher than this time last year, or at least should be able to be brought on line quickly by using the Nightingales (or Louisa Jordan as it is called in Scotland).
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Post by Northy on Oct 19, 2020 14:44:54 GMT
"Died for any reason within 28 days of a (predominantly false) positive test." When this is how death scores are accumulated, do you think it's a coincidence that anyone might die, or just unfortunately a fact of life? Do people not die everyday? There's no coincidence with a rigged test. It's a cert that plenty will test positive. And this is how those on their last legs feature so heavily. The majority not admitted to hospital with covid19, but tested frequently until the magic positive result is secured. The story is dripping with fear-peddling. The article says it triggered heart problems that were already there. That’s what killed him There is absolutely no evidence that covid triggered his heart and it could be many things including the fitness regime he kept that did that. Many fit people die every day Looking at the veins on his arms and behaviour such as this “ They split six months ago after she complained of 'constant betrayal, cursing, showdown and stress' “ in a non covid world there would be suggestions of “bodybuilding type supplements” I’m not disputing he did not catch covid in turkey but that article suggests his heart was just waiting to give way. And yes it’s now part of the covid cautionary tale It doesn't say 'which were already there' and it just doesn't suggest what you are saying at all imo, it was saying he contracted CV19, he didn't believe in it, if he hadn't contracted CV19 he would still be alive.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 19, 2020 14:49:43 GMT
The article says it triggered heart problems that were already there. That’s what killed him There is absolutely no evidence that covid triggered his heart and it could be many things including the fitness regime he kept that did that. Many fit people die every day Looking at the veins on his arms and behaviour such as this “ They split six months ago after she complained of 'constant betrayal, cursing, showdown and stress' “ in a non covid world there would be suggestions of “bodybuilding type supplements” I’m not disputing he did not catch covid in turkey but that article suggests his heart was just waiting to give way. And yes it’s now part of the covid cautionary tale It doesn't say 'which were already there' and it just doesn't suggest what you are saying at all imo, it was saying he contracted CV19, he didn't believe in it, if he hadn't contracted CV19 he would still be alive. They dont know that. How could triggering heart complications happen if they were not there to begin with
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 19, 2020 14:56:21 GMT
They are at the exact same place this year as they are last in the worst hit part of the country. And then they’re lying about it. Why? I think it’s a case of not explaining the situation very well Hospital occupancy may currently be at a normal level, which is close to capacity, so nothing out of the order there. However, what is unusual is the likely ramp in demand due to coronavirus which will see us exceed normal levels in the coming weeks and, because capacity is tight, see the NHS get overloaded. That’s the theory - I think! Even at the height of the first wave Aberystwyth was near empty, I had to drive there for an annual blood test and it was like the Mary Celeste. I asked the question re admissions while I was there and 'hardly any' was the response. No masks required either for outpatients, Drakeford is not a well liked individual around these parts and not just for his so called handling of the pandemic.
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Post by Davef on Oct 19, 2020 14:57:23 GMT
Shutting the country down seems natural...... To be fair, the WHO did say lockdown only as a last resort. One death today is obviously a national emergency in Wales.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 19, 2020 14:59:18 GMT
I think it’s a case of not explaining the situation very well Hospital occupancy may currently be at a normal level, which is close to capacity, so nothing out of the order there. However, what is unusual is the likely ramp in demand due to coronavirus which will see us exceed normal levels in the coming weeks and, because capacity is tight, see the NHS get overloaded. That’s the theory - I think! Even at the height of the first wave Aberystwyth was near empty, I had to drive there for an annual blood test and it was like the Mary Celeste. I asked the question re admitions while I was there and 'hardly any' was the response. No masks required either for outpatients, Drakeford is not a well liked individual around these parts and not just for his so called handling of the pandemic. Parts of Wales seem to be virtually COVID free. Why should those regions have to go into full lockdown. After all, if mid Wales was high and Cardiff wasn’t would he go into full lockdown. It’s absurd.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 19, 2020 15:01:16 GMT
I wondering how Keir Starmer will reconcile Labour’s view on restrictions this week noting Burnham’s (seeming) reluctance and Drakeford’s enthusiasm.
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Post by Northy on Oct 19, 2020 15:02:05 GMT
It doesn't say 'which were already there' and it just doesn't suggest what you are saying at all imo, it was saying he contracted CV19, he didn't believe in it, if he hadn't contracted CV19 he would still be alive. They dont know that. How could triggering heart complications happen if they were not there to begin with As I've mentioned on here a few times, they are now understanding some of the long term covid issues and what it is doing to the organs, I posted earlier today about lynph nodes, lung and kidney scarring, they've also identified it can cause heart problems here is just one story, there's many more out there calling for further investigations, there's plenty of NHS staff who are still having problems months after having it, thinking they are Ok and then going downhill again. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54540544These symptoms may be due to four different syndromes: permanent organ damage to the lungs and heart post-intensive-care syndrome post-viral fatigue syndrome continuing Covid-19 symptoms Some of those affected have had a long stay in hospital with severe Covid-19 - but others, who have had a mild infection, have never even been tested or diagnosed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 15:03:56 GMT
Shutting the country down seems natural...... To be fair, the WHO did say lockdown only as a last resort. One death today is obviously a national emergency in Wales. Twas a sheep.
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Post by Northy on Oct 19, 2020 15:06:26 GMT
It doesn't say 'which were already there' and it just doesn't suggest what you are saying at all imo, it was saying he contracted CV19, he didn't believe in it, if he hadn't contracted CV19 he would still be alive. They dont know that. How could triggering heart complications happen if they were not there to begin with Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include: Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future. www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351#
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2020 15:14:54 GMT
I wondering how Keir Starmer will reconcile Labour’s view on restrictions this week noting Burnham’s (seeming) reluctance and Drakeford’s enthusiasm. Burnham favours national rather than regional lockdown so is very much on the same page as Starmer in that sense.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2020 15:17:47 GMT
They dont know that. How could triggering heart complications happen if they were not there to begin with As I've mentioned on here a few times, they are now understanding some of the long term covid issues and what it is doing to the organs, I posted earlier today about lynph nodes, lung and kidney scarring, they've also identified it can cause heart problems here is just one story, there's many more out there calling for further investigations, there's plenty of NHS staff who are still having problems months after having it, thinking they are Ok and then going downhill again. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54540544These symptoms may be due to four different syndromes: permanent organ damage to the lungs and heart post-intensive-care syndrome post-viral fatigue syndrome continuing Covid-19 symptoms Some of those affected have had a long stay in hospital with severe Covid-19 - but others, who have had a mild infection, have never even been tested or diagnosed. This sort of thing amazes me to be fair. If you had Covid back in February and took an anti-body test there is an exceptionally high chance the anti-body test will be negative. Despite this, they can seemingly attribute other more serious conditions to Covid even if they can't actually tell you had Covid so long ago was it that you had it. It's all very strange what they can and can't tell from this dreaded virus.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 19, 2020 15:25:22 GMT
As I've mentioned on here a few times, they are now understanding some of the long term covid issues and what it is doing to the organs, I posted earlier today about lynph nodes, lung and kidney scarring, they've also identified it can cause heart problems here is just one story, there's many more out there calling for further investigations, there's plenty of NHS staff who are still having problems months after having it, thinking they are Ok and then going downhill again. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54540544These symptoms may be due to four different syndromes: permanent organ damage to the lungs and heart post-intensive-care syndrome post-viral fatigue syndrome continuing Covid-19 symptoms Some of those affected have had a long stay in hospital with severe Covid-19 - but others, who have had a mild infection, have never even been tested or diagnosed. This sort of thing amazes me to be fair. If you had Covid back in February and took an anti-body test there is an exceptionally high chance the anti-body test will be negative. Despite this, they can seemingly attribute other more serious conditions to Covid even if they can't actually tell you had Covid so long ago was it that you had it. It's all very strange what they can and can't tell from this dreaded virus. Why is that strange? They've said the antibodies seem to last for around 4 months haven't they?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 19, 2020 15:28:34 GMT
I wondering how Keir Starmer will reconcile Labour’s view on restrictions this week noting Burnham’s (seeming) reluctance and Drakeford’s enthusiasm. Burnham favours national rather than regional lockdown so is very much on the same page as Starmer in that sense. I think that’s his third choice. First is stay in level 2. Second is we’ll go to level 3 if we get more case Third is if we have to suffer, every other fucker should suffer too. (The first two are probably about equal for Burnham)
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