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Post by chad on Sept 30, 2020 20:00:51 GMT
What’s he meant to be bitter about? The country gets the government it deserves. All you can do is console yourself that you didn’t personally vote for these wasters and get on with your life...... Because his party lost? Its all over. Every single online article is shouted down by the very vocal minority. That's why it pushed a lot of labour voters to the tories. That and the complete weapon they had in charge. Don't worry I will. There's not one decent political party out there. Nailed it. That complete weapon that was in charge of Labour is the reason we have Boris. Too bad they didn’t realise it before it was too late
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2020 20:12:40 GMT
If you still think this is entirely about controlling a virus that threatens us all, and all the resulting measures are the result of incompetence, fair enough. Yes, that's exactly what I think it is, and the efforts to control it, like every other pandemic that has affected mankind over the millennia. If you don't think that's the case, and you prefer to think it's some kind of global totalitarian dictatorship (which excludes New Zealand and Vietnam and various other countries now largely Covid free) as you've said many times, then that's the very definition of conspiracy theorising I'd say. If you are looking at it from the point of controlling a virus, none of the rules make sense. However, if you look at it as systematic destruction of independent business and economy towards a world economic forum 'great reset' it begins to make sense. Now I'm not saying this for certain, but I'm certain it's not about controlling a virus, and absolutely not about 'saving lives' as borne out by what's going on in care homes, cancer care, and lack of access to medical services.
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Post by Davef on Sept 30, 2020 20:21:11 GMT
If that was a German cruise ship they would be re-tested 3 more times to make absolutely sure they were carrying a deadly disease before scaring the population of Cornwall. Well they're not going to do that in this country are they, because when the second or third tests came back negative it'd need a few questions answering.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2020 20:25:23 GMT
That's disingenuous at the very best. If you're going to be the Board's resident conspiracy theorist, and that assessment is based on the majority of your posts, no more no less, then you do rather invite attention to yourself. I thought we had that argument the other day about what is a conspiracy theorist and you lost.. seems some people will never learn Many people have discussed this as man-made virus escaped from a Chinese lab. Yet, now we have the arbiters of what's considered conspiracy theory and what isn't. Using it, as the BBC do and CIA intended, to insult others, close down realms of discussion, and dismiss views.
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Post by Davef on Sept 30, 2020 20:34:18 GMT
Yes, definitely a coincidence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 21:08:48 GMT
What’s he meant to be bitter about? The country gets the government it deserves. All you can do is console yourself that you didn’t personally vote for these wasters and get on with your life...... Because his party lost? Its all over. Every single online article is shouted down by the very vocal minority. That's why it pushed a lot of labour voters to the tories. That and the complete weapon they had in charge. Don't worry I will. There's not one decent political party out there. One person one vote. All this tribal bollocks about "your party lost", "my party won" is nonsense. People that defected from Labour to the Tories have only their own conscience to answer to, I think they're fucking bonkers personally but each to their own.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 21:10:23 GMT
Because his party lost? Its all over. Every single online article is shouted down by the very vocal minority. That's why it pushed a lot of labour voters to the tories. That and the complete weapon they had in charge. Don't worry I will. There's not one decent political party out there. Nailed it. That complete weapon that was in charge of Labour is the reason we have Boris. Too bad they didn’t realise it before it was too late That complete weapon is worth 10 of Boris Johnson. But the electorate has spoken, and good luck to them I say!
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 30, 2020 21:22:51 GMT
Some good news! My officemate's mother got out of the ICU where she'd been on a vent for two weeks. Looks like she'll be able to recover and that's fantastic fortune that's put me in a better mood!
My girlfriend's ICU managed to save 1 out of the 12 covid patients they had vented during her shifts there. Said it's soul destroying for the doctors because they just throw everything they can at each patient but there's so little feedback to each intervention that it destroys your hope. Even one making it is a blessing for them.
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Post by Jimmyg on Sept 30, 2020 21:40:06 GMT
I thought we had that argument the other day about what is a conspiracy theorist and you lost.. seems some people will never learn Many people have discussed this as man-made virus escaped from a Chinese lab. Yet, now we have the arbiters of what's considered conspiracy theory and what isn't. Using it, as the BBC do and CIA intended, to insult others, close down realms of discussion, and dismiss views. Yes of course, it's a term that's been created by the media/government to alienate people who question the narrative. There has been many "theories" that have eventually become fact which people seem to conveniently forget.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 30, 2020 22:10:41 GMT
Fair enough. So don't whine and try to blame the opposition for when the government you voted for turns out to do stuff you don't like! Amazing how it's always someone else's fault for these people! The opposition are not giving the public an alternative view. Their compliance legitimises what the government do Christ mate you do talk some shit.
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Post by songthrush01 on Sept 30, 2020 22:11:55 GMT
I thought we had that argument the other day about what is a conspiracy theorist and you lost.. seems some people will never learn Many people have discussed this as man-made virus escaped from a Chinese lab. Yet, now we have the arbiters of what's considered conspiracy theory and what isn't. Using it, as the BBC do and CIA intended, to insult others, close down realms of discussion, and dismiss views. agree.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2020 22:14:04 GMT
Fair enough. So don't whine and try to blame the opposition for when the government you voted for turns out to do stuff you don't like! Amazing how it's always someone else's fault for these people! The opposition are not giving the public an alternative view. Their compliance legitimises what the government do I think people have taken their eye off the ball and missed the point of what's really happening here. A very simple but critical question must be asked. Who, or what, is actually running the UK now?
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Post by EccyStokie on Sept 30, 2020 22:24:40 GMT
The opposition are not giving the public an alternative view. Their compliance legitimises what the government do I think people have taken their eye off the ball and missed the point of what's really happening here. A very simple but critical question must be asked. Who, or what, is actually running the UK now? What’s the answer?
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Post by chad on Sept 30, 2020 22:37:11 GMT
Nailed it. That complete weapon that was in charge of Labour is the reason we have Boris. Too bad they didn’t realise it before it was too late That complete weapon is worth 10 of Boris Johnson. But the electorate has spoken, and good luck to them I say! He cost them the election. He was totally unelectable If Labour had woken up two years before and got rid of the clown and his momentum buddies it might well be them now that were dealing with this crisis Would they have done any different. Personally I very much doubt it would have made any difference at all
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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2020 22:42:08 GMT
If that was a German cruise ship they would be re-tested 3 more times to make absolutely sure they were carrying a deadly disease before scaring the population of Cornwall. I don't see the logic in that tweet. If someone is carrying a disease in a food processing plant that has the potential to kill someone else surely it would be useful to know, regardless of how well the individual feels. Don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 22:44:00 GMT
That complete weapon is worth 10 of Boris Johnson. But the electorate has spoken, and good luck to them I say! He cost them the election. He was totally unelectable If Labour had woken up two years before and got rid of the clown and his momentum buddies it might well be them now that were dealing with this crisis Would they have done any different. Personally I very much doubt it would have made any difference at all That's your take on it. I disagree entirely. But if it makes people feel better to blame Corbyn for being unelectable for the current shit show of a government then good luck to them........
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 30, 2020 23:35:21 GMT
He cost them the election. He was totally unelectable If Labour had woken up two years before and got rid of the clown and his momentum buddies it might well be them now that were dealing with this crisis Would they have done any different. Personally I very much doubt it would have made any difference at all That's your take on it. I disagree entirely. But if it makes people feel better to blame Corbyn for being unelectable for the current shit show of a government then good luck to them........ Well I know several long term labour voters including myself who didn't vote at the last election because of Corbyn and Momentum and I'm sure that's replicated up and down the country. Its a major contributing factor alongside Brexit as to why these clowns got such a high majority but if you don't want to see it because it doesn't suit then carry on.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 30, 2020 23:52:21 GMT
This has surely got to be good news, France has been having a big rise in cases for a few weeks now, far higher than anything they saw in the spring, their 7 day rolling average is currently at 12,258 and on Thursday it was over 16,000 however the current 7 day rolling average for actual deaths is just 63, currently it doesn't look like the death count is going to get anywhere near the figures that it did earlier in the year. They weren't mass testing back then like they are now though so we have no idea what the ratio to deaths really is. There could have been 120,000 cases a day in march / April for all we know.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 1, 2020 0:13:00 GMT
They have an 80 seat majority, which people like you enabled. Own the shit that you voted for. You're a ridiculous bitter little man aren't you 🙂 Not really. it's apparent that you're a pompous arse though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 1, 2020 0:16:29 GMT
He cost them the election. He was totally unelectable If Labour had woken up two years before and got rid of the clown and his momentum buddies it might well be them now that were dealing with this crisis Would they have done any different. Personally I very much doubt it would have made any difference at all That's your take on it. I disagree entirely. But if it makes people feel better to blame Corbyn for being unelectable for the current shit show of a government then good luck to them........ Every post on here that is anti-Corbyn (even now when he's gone) comes parroted straight out of the MSM playbook. It's like these people don't own their own minds. Funny, like Scargill before him everything he warned about is starting to come true.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 1, 2020 2:23:36 GMT
This has surely got to be good news, France has been having a big rise in cases for a few weeks now, far higher than anything they saw in the spring, their 7 day rolling average is currently at 12,258 and on Thursday it was over 16,000 however the current 7 day rolling average for actual deaths is just 63, currently it doesn't look like the death count is going to get anywhere near the figures that it did earlier in the year. They weren't mass testing back then like they are now though so we have no idea what the ratio to deaths really is. There could have been 120,000 cases a day in march / April for all we know. Precisely - so it’s good news
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 6:45:44 GMT
That's your take on it. I disagree entirely. But if it makes people feel better to blame Corbyn for being unelectable for the current shit show of a government then good luck to them........ Well I know several long term labour voters including myself who didn't vote at the last election because of Corbyn and Momentum and I'm sure that's replicated up and down the country. Its a major contributing factor alongside Brexit as to why these clowns got such a high majority but if you don't want to see it because it doesn't suit then carry on. I know several as well. When I ask some of them why they don’t like Corbyn the answers range from “I just don’t” to “he’s a Marxist” “he’s hard left”. The most vilified politician of a generation hammered day after day in all forms of media, and this doesn’t have an effect on people’s opinions? All I see is a missed opportunity for the kind of change this country has been crying out for in terms of addressing inequality across society. Corbyn has many many faults as do most of us, but to repeat he’s worth ten of this buffoon we have in charge. But one person one vote, what you did at the ballot box is up to you and your conscience as I say.....
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 1, 2020 7:08:05 GMT
You gotta laugh when someone who's been knocking the opposition for years suddenly finds himself wishing for an opposition to tackle the government he helped to elect Always someone else's fault... I’ve been consistent that a good opposition should hold government to account. We never had a good opposition under Corbyn. What’s Starmer doing? On the fundamentals - i.e. Covid-19 will kill thousands of people unless some measures are put in place - Starmer (and to my knowledge every other politician in the House of Commons) agrees with the government. There are genuine debates and disagreements about what needs to be done and the way measures should be implemented but no-one in the House of Commons is suggesting that the government relax restrictions and let covid rip. Mainly because the people making these decisions (regardless of their political outlook) recognise that if they get it wrong they are personally responsible for the deaths resulting from their policies. They are behaving like responsible adults. Starmer is under no obligation to oppose the government in the way you want it opposed and if he were to do so he would be betraying his own humanitarian principles and would put lives at risk. It would be irresponsible. If you want that sort of opposition you are going to have to form another party and get it elected.
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 1, 2020 7:08:15 GMT
Because his party lost? Its all over. Every single online article is shouted down by the very vocal minority. That's why it pushed a lot of labour voters to the tories. That and the complete weapon they had in charge. Don't worry I will. There's not one decent political party out there. One person one vote. All this tribal bollocks about "your party lost", "my party won" is nonsense. People that defected from Labour to the Tories have only their own conscience to answer to, I think they're fucking bonkers personally but each to their own..... But that's exactly what that poster was doing, that's why I called him bitter. Or does it only work 'the right way'? Its so transparent. And you may well be right, but I'm sure to many it was a lesser wank option.
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 1, 2020 7:08:56 GMT
You're a ridiculous bitter little man aren't you 🙂 Not really. it's apparent that you're a pompous arse though. Pot? Kettle?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 1, 2020 7:10:34 GMT
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Post by Davef on Oct 1, 2020 7:23:38 GMT
Utter madness.
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Post by andystokey on Oct 1, 2020 7:25:08 GMT
I'm not condoning it but can someone explain how one of the guests (also breaking the rule) takes a photo and it ends up on the front page of the Sun? I suppose they got enough ££ to pay their own fine.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 1, 2020 7:32:56 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Oct 1, 2020 7:41:16 GMT
It may not be the minor thing a lot of young people think though, there may be horrible long term effects on the lungs for instance that could show up 10 years later. Nobody knows yet! I know, but the point I`m making is that the human race lives with a lot of nasty diseases that kill many, many more people than this does. Malaria and TB are 2 that spring to mind and they both have effective treatments and vaccines. We as a species will have to decide if this is REALLY the one we should most frightened of. I`m of the opinion that it`s not and the way we being asked to deal with is doing more harm than good. Flu deaths are outstripping CoVid deaths and have been for weeks, which is just 1 example of the disproportionate response and reaction. There is no need for most of these other ailments causing death if the fools would only get a jab! Why people don't get a flu jab is a complete mystery to me, I never miss, and get an appointment every year asap.
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