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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 24, 2020 20:12:37 GMT
I'm talking about adults - really can't blame kids for behaving like kids and if society is going to support "normal" behaviour it should put in the effort for kids and expect adults to behave like adults. Closing schools would be so damaging to children and given the low risk covid presents to them I'd say it's better to keep them open. There is some evidence that people are asymptomatic (rather than pre-symptomatic) are at a low risk of infecting others and as the vast majority of kids are asymptomatic they are likely to be of low risk in terms of infecting others. The issue is more to do with teachers - both in terms of their personal risk and the risk they present to others. In the school I work the whole of the Science and IT Dept staff have tested positive as well as a PE teacher & 2 Caretakers now! It’s why a vigorous and complete lockdown was and is the only way , if any of the unfortunate staff involved become seriously ill or worse is that a worthwhile price for the difference between school and home education , absolutely not in my view .
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Post by salopstick on Sept 24, 2020 20:13:03 GMT
It’s selfish to keep banging about about covid a virus that 90% of people will hardly suffer whilst ignoring the collateral damage in terms of other deaths, illness, etc etc etc You will likely catch this virus several times or more without a vaccine and at any one time you could get a nasty experience. And? If the virus doesn’t kill you the lack of help for everything else will
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 24, 2020 20:15:38 GMT
Hmmm ... The Liverpool v Arsenal match this coming Monday was due to kick-off at 8.15pm but as a result of the new ruling meaning pubs have to be closed by 10pm, that would have meant that fans watching the match in pubs would miss the last few minutes. So the kick-off has been brought forward to 8pm in order that nobody misses any of the match. I wonder if social distancing and table service will be maintained throughout? talksport.com/football/763875/liverpool-vs-arsenal-premier-league-rescheduled-kick-off-covid-pub-curfew/The ref will be under strict orders then for no injury time in each half😄 It shows you what a farce all of this is. 20:15 kick-off & everyone will die to the Chinese coronavirus, move the kick-off back 15mins to 20:00 & there's no danger, everything is hunky dory.
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 24, 2020 20:17:46 GMT
There is a question of severity though. Its going to require far more draconian measures than appealing to people's good will which is now in short supply. With regards severity, I think London is going to be the key indicator - it has the highest infection rate from the previous wave and is high density. Cases are increasing there but not like areas in the North right now. If they don't explode, it suggests it may be a lower threshold for community immunity than expected. If it explodes, we are in for a very tough autumn and winter. The fines have increased already. If people don't behave sensibly the measures will get more draconian so if people don't want heavy handed government the sane thing to do is to behave responsibly. What I don't understand is that the people who bang on about totalitarian government are the one's who bang on about their intention to break the restrictions - it's the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy. I agree London is a test case but this time we need to take what's happening in other countries seriously as well. Not heeding what was happening in Italy back in February was a massive mistake. There is a genuine debate about the herd immunity threshold and the fact is at the moment no-one knows what it is - the numbers from the second wave will help decide that one. Given the balls up the government made first time round I can understand why they might be erring on the side of caution this time round. Having said that are the new restrictions really that draconian? Like everyone else I want things to be back to normal but I really don't think the government have gone over the top. And if the second wave does prove to be a damp squib brilliant - we can all behave like dickheads at Xmas. Current restrictions seem pretty balanced in my opinion. It gives the government some breathing space (covering their arses) and should slow transmission whilst they monitor what's happening. Hopefully the current measures will be enough or better, it turns out that the worst is behind us as I think it's going to be damn near impossible to prevent families/friends from mixing indoors during winter if that's a step they feel the need to take.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2020 20:18:50 GMT
The ref will be under strict orders then for no injury time in each half😄 It shows you what a farce all of this is. 20:15 kick-off & everyone will die to the Chinese coronavirus, move the kick-off back 15mins to 20:00 & there's no danger, everything is hunky dory. Yeah it doesn't sit right at all does it? You can't go to watch them game outside in a stadium but we'll move the kick-off, so that you can all cram together to watch it inside instead ...
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 24, 2020 20:25:40 GMT
Not sure if I'm reading this right but here's a few facts to clear things up re. the Staffordshire Regiment. The Staffordshire regiment was formed by combining the North Staffs Regiment with the South Staffs Regiment in 1959. Previous to that they were two different entities. Why your relative didn't see any action could depend on many circumstances such as when he joined the army and also what his role was during the war. But the North Staffs and South Staffs Regiments saw more than their share of action during WW2. My old man joined the North Staffs in 1924 and served for ten years, seven of them in India. He then, because he was an experienced soldier, became what was known as a 'reservist' and therefore was called up before most squaddies and sent to France as part of the British Expeditionary Force when war was declared on Germany. The BEF was pushed out of France at Dunkirk. He survived that. Still being in the North Staffs, he was then sent to North Africa and served there until we pushed Rommel and his forces out of North Africa. At that point, after some R&R, he was seconded to the South Staffs and sent to Burma and he was there until Japan surrendered. So why your relative, whether he was in the North Staffs or the South Staffs didn't see any action, I have no idea. Maybe he just got lucky. And I don't blame him for that. I saw first hand what six years of war can do to a decent bloke, and they didn't have counsellors back then. For my old man, his two boys and his pigeons were the difference between him going nuts or surviving what he went through. There's always a silver lining and we'll get through these damned times one day. Those squaddies survived far worse, so chins up guys and remember, wash hands, wear a mask, and keep your distance from me. OS. I'm no military historian but my undetstanding is that Austria was on the eastern front and therefore left to the Soviets. In '45 after the fall of Vienna there was an army of occupation consisting of the Soviets, the US and the British. The North Staffs may have been part of that but by that time the fighting was over. That reminds me of that classic film "The Third Man".
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2020 20:33:11 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2020 20:44:52 GMT
I thought they'd all got herd immunity in London and it was over down there?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 24, 2020 20:47:46 GMT
I'm no military historian but my undetstanding is that Austria was on the eastern front and therefore left to the Soviets. In '45 after the fall of Vienna there was an army of occupation consisting of the Soviets, the US and the British. The North Staffs may have been part of that but by that time the fighting was over. That reminds me of that classic film "The Third Man". All the more remarkable in that it was filmed contemporaneously. The filmset was quite genuinely the bombed out ruins of war torn Vienna.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 24, 2020 20:49:25 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2020 20:50:36 GMT
I thought they'd all got herd immunity in London and it was over down there? Not by the looks of that
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Post by Timmypotter on Sept 24, 2020 21:08:47 GMT
Pre 2015 phones don't have the hardware necessary to support the app. Nothing to do with the app itself Surely the design brief for the app should have been that it should be able to work on pre2015 phones. A more recent version of the Bluetooth protocol and associated hardware is required for it to be able to properly judge signal strength and the likely distances between devices. You can't use your old dial up modem to get broadband internet. You can't use a bow and arrow to fire bullets. There isn't any other way around it if the technology is to work as intended.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 21:11:04 GMT
You will likely catch this virus several times or more without a vaccine and at any one time you could get a nasty experience. And? If the virus doesn’t kill you the lack of help for everything else will It has to be controlled. Don't you listen to Boris? He clearly said you can't just lock the old and vulnerable away, that's just not possible as much as I think some people want to. They are not animals you keep in a zoo, it sucks but somehow everyone has to work together to get through it.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 24, 2020 21:21:47 GMT
If we are adding data from up to the end of April, this is around about 30,000 lockdown deaths. And that misses out six or more weeks of data. Truly frightening. Pandemics generally are. And even if all the stats are correct this has never been more than level 2 out of 5. And was rightly and officially downgraded in March. As for the catastrophic long term effects of lockdown, who knows?
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 24, 2020 21:31:51 GMT
Just watching the news this evening. Locally, they say, we are bracing for round two. What I thought interesting, being both a pedant, and a peasant, was the use of language. When we go out and stock up on something it’s panic buying. When the Govt. do it, it’s stockpiling. Maybe it’s different in Blighty
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Post by Jimmyg on Sept 24, 2020 21:38:21 GMT
It’s selfish to keep banging about about covid a virus that 90% of people will hardly suffer whilst ignoring the collateral damage in terms of other deaths, illness, etc etc etc You will likely catch this virus several times or more without a vaccine and at any one time you could get a nasty experience. In theory the more times you catch it the more immunity you will have to it.so it's less likely you would die or have a nasty experience from it.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 21:51:56 GMT
You will likely catch this virus several times or more without a vaccine and at any one time you could get a nasty experience. In theory the more times you catch it the more immunity you will have to it.so it's less likely you would die or have a nasty experience from it. Well there is little evidence that immunity actually lasts. One person in I think Nevada got Covid twice and was hospitalised the second time after having a mild experience the 1st time. There is still so much unknown and until there is better knowledge then people need to be cautious.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 21:59:14 GMT
It shows you what a farce all of this is. 20:15 kick-off & everyone will die to the Chinese coronavirus, move the kick-off back 15mins to 20:00 & there's no danger, everything is hunky dory. Yeah it doesn't sit right at all does it? You can't go to watch them game outside in a stadium but we'll move the kick-off, so that you can all cram together to watch it inside instead ... Government Guideline says "You should avoid visiting places where there is a chance that large numbers of people will gather and crowds will form." Maybe the Arsenal and Liverpool fans will respond responsibly to this wonderful gesture and agree to go in small numbers. What do you think?
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Post by chad on Sept 24, 2020 22:16:41 GMT
Surely the design brief for the app should have been that it should be able to work on pre2015 phones. A more recent version of the Bluetooth protocol and associated hardware is required for it to be able to properly judge signal strength and the likely distances between devices. You can't use your old dial up modem to get broadband internet. You can't use a bow and arrow to fire bullets. There isn't any other way around it if the technology is to work as intended. Don’t be daft it’s the Governments fault. They should give everybody new phones
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 24, 2020 22:21:14 GMT
The ref will be under strict orders then for no injury time in each half😄 It shows you what a farce all of this is. 20:15 kick-off & everyone will die to the Chinese coronavirus, move the kick-off back 15mins to 20:00 & there's no danger, everything is hunky dory. m Put like That it does seem completely ludicrous that anyone could think it’s a sensible plan
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Post by Gods on Sept 24, 2020 22:42:03 GMT
A woeful rescue plan from the Government.
Pay 55% for 33% of the hours and most employers will avoid it anyway.
A cost of £300 million versus £4 billion for the furlough scheme tells you all you need to know.
Another million people in the dole queue before the end of October.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 22:49:38 GMT
We should close the borders, go into a full lockdown,suppress the virus to zero cases then get everything back open within closed borders, localise Test, track and trace to keep on top of any cases that pop up.
Then we could pretty much open everything back up and get the economy moving like a train without needing to offer as much support for business instead of kicking the can and getting stuck in a continuous loop causing more and more damage.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 22:52:41 GMT
A woeful rescue plan from the Government. Pay 55% for 33% of the hours and most employers will avoid it anyway. A cost of £300 million versus £4 billion for the furlough scheme tells you all you need to know. Another million people in the dole queue before the end of October. In its likely effectiveness to ward off job losses it's probably the equivalent of an established Premiership club hiring a manager like Paul Lambert to save them from the prospect of relegation.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 22:58:19 GMT
We should close the borders, go into a full lockdown,suppress the virus to zero cases then get everything back open within closed borders, localise Test, track and trace to keep on top of any cases that pop up. Then we could pretty much open everything back up and get the economy moving like a train without needing to offer as much support for business instead of kicking the can and getting stuck in a continuous loop causing more and more damage. For all the money spent we have not really made any proper effort at all where it matters. This Govt has been toothless. No testing at airports all the way through lockdown, no enforcement of quarantine for those coming in and out of the country. Only 3 people charged with breaking quarantine after arriving in this country with coronavirus. In 7 months!
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 23:15:23 GMT
We should close the borders, go into a full lockdown,suppress the virus to zero cases then get everything back open within closed borders, localise Test, track and trace to keep on top of any cases that pop up. Then we could pretty much open everything back up and get the economy moving like a train without needing to offer as much support for business instead of kicking the can and getting stuck in a continuous loop causing more and more damage. For all the money spent we have not really made any proper effort at all where it matters. This Govt has been toothless. No testing at airports all the way through lockdown, no enforcement of quarantine for those coming in and out of the country. Only 3 people charged with breaking quarantine after arriving in this country with coronavirus. In 7 months! They're pissing in the wind and no matter how much the opposition tell them or how many doctors they just continue to believe their way is best. Why can't we just follow the examples set by countries who got rid of it and now have the least damage to their economies. If you keep on top of it you can more or less function as normal. It's possible to get rid of it in two months and have everything open after that and breeze through winter and most of next year maybe longer.
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Post by dexta on Sept 25, 2020 6:05:23 GMT
Why hasn't Gareth bale got to self isolate now he's back at spurs
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Post by Gods on Sept 25, 2020 6:27:18 GMT
Why hasn't Gareth bale got to self isolate now he's back at spurs There is an 'Elite athlete' exception. I am wondering if the J.H.D. Myatt bat for bowling (Most wickets in a season) I won at school back in the day might qualify me for such an exemption?!
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Post by henry on Sept 25, 2020 6:41:26 GMT
We should close the borders, go into a full lockdown,suppress the virus to zero cases then get everything back open within closed borders, localise Test, track and trace to keep on top of any cases that pop up. Then we could pretty much open everything back up and get the economy moving like a train without needing to offer as much support for business instead of kicking the can and getting stuck in a continuous loop causing more and more damage. Define “full lockdown “ what areas of work/ jobs ?
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Post by dexta on Sept 25, 2020 6:52:14 GMT
Why hasn't Gareth bale got to self isolate now he's back at spurs There is an 'Elite athlete' exception. I am wondering if the J.H.D. Myatt bat for bowling (Most wickets in a season) I won at school back in the day might qualify me for such an exemption?! Why can't elite athlete get covid or spread it... What a load of bollocks.. Bob n pat coming back from benidorm have to isolate so why not a elite athlete.. Who is coming from a area which is in lockdown
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 25, 2020 7:06:05 GMT
There is an 'Elite athlete' exception. I am wondering if the J.H.D. Myatt bat for bowling (Most wickets in a season) I won at school back in the day might qualify me for such an exemption?! Why can't elite athlete get covid or spread it... What a load of bollocks.. Bob n pat coming back from benidorm have to isolate so why not a elite athlete.. Who is coming from a area which is in lockdown That's the champions league finished then.
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