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Post by yeswilko on Sept 25, 2020 7:06:53 GMT
Rishi "champagne for everyone" Sunak, flirted dangerously with socialism didn't he?!
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 25, 2020 7:18:57 GMT
We should close the borders, go into a full lockdown,suppress the virus to zero cases then get everything back open within closed borders, localise Test, track and trace to keep on top of any cases that pop up. Then we could pretty much open everything back up and get the economy moving like a train without needing to offer as much support for business instead of kicking the can and getting stuck in a continuous loop causing more and more damage. Define “full lockdown “ what areas of work/ jobs ? Everything, a full strict lockdown. Lock everyone up for two months so that when we can open pubs fully, get stadiums full. We are just stop start with no real destination. What ever money earned will be used to support the mass unemployment whilst some businesses which add a lot to the economy are doing nothing. That doesn't have to happen if we achieve zero covid. It will be a short term loss but long term gain with many more businesses easing the burden in a more complete capacity.
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Post by zerps on Sept 25, 2020 7:39:35 GMT
Define “full lockdown “ what areas of work/ jobs ? Everything, a full strict lockdown. Lock everyone up for two months so that when we can open pubs fully, get stadiums full. We are just stop start with no real destination. What ever money earned will be used to support the mass unemployment whilst some businesses which add a lot to the economy are doing nothing. That doesn't have to happen if we achieve zero covid. It will be a short term loss but long term gain with many more businesses easing the burden in a more complete capacity. It does make sense instead of this half arsed approach that changes every week. That’s if they’re actually telling the truth about this virus.
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Post by musik on Sept 25, 2020 7:41:33 GMT
SWEDEN
Many would have hoped theatres and sport events could have some audience, take 500 people now in September, but the governments said NO to that yesterday.
The restrictions remain the same in that respect. On the contrary, we could expect more restrictions.
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Post by musik on Sept 25, 2020 7:44:19 GMT
Everything, a full strict lockdown. Lock everyone up for two months so that when we can open pubs fully, get stadiums full. We are just stop start with no real destination. What ever money earned will be used to support the mass unemployment whilst some businesses which add a lot to the economy are doing nothing. That doesn't have to happen if we achieve zero covid. It will be a short term loss but long term gain with many more businesses easing the burden in a more complete capacity. It does make sense instead of this half arsed approach that changes every week. That’s if they’re actually telling the truth about this virus. My thought too. But two months is too much. Two weeks max, since the virus dies after a few days - it must live on something, and when it can't ...
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 25, 2020 8:04:05 GMT
Define “full lockdown “ what areas of work/ jobs ? Everything, a full strict lockdown. Lock everyone up for two months so that when we can open pubs fully, get stadiums full. We are just stop start with no real destination. What ever money earned will be used to support the mass unemployment whilst some businesses which add a lot to the economy are doing nothing. That doesn't have to happen if we achieve zero covid. It will be a short term loss but long term gain with many more businesses easing the burden in a more complete capacity. Zero Covid, doubt thats possible. Are you suggesting that nobody can enter the country no matter the reason?
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Post by Davef on Sept 25, 2020 8:18:41 GMT
A timely reminder that the Police have much more pressing issues than checking if people out shopping are wearing a mask.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 25, 2020 8:18:53 GMT
Everything, a full strict lockdown. Lock everyone up for two months so that when we can open pubs fully, get stadiums full. We are just stop start with no real destination. What ever money earned will be used to support the mass unemployment whilst some businesses which add a lot to the economy are doing nothing. That doesn't have to happen if we achieve zero covid. It will be a short term loss but long term gain with many more businesses easing the burden in a more complete capacity. Zero Covid, doubt thats possible. Are you suggesting that nobody can enter the country no matter the reason? It will need localised test, track and trace still because it's impossible to stop odd cases popping up. You can't really stop people entering the country but that can be controlled, we still need to do trade. It is possible to keep cases close to zero though as many countries have already proved. It makes no sense that countries aren't trying to copy South Korea's approach.
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Post by phileetin on Sept 25, 2020 8:40:32 GMT
A timely reminder that the Police have much more pressing issues than checking if people out shopping are wearing a mask. BLM
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Post by werrington on Sept 25, 2020 9:03:52 GMT
What’s with all this first name bollocks in the media
Firstly Boris now its “Rishis rescue plan” on the front pages
Makes me puke
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Post by henry on Sept 25, 2020 9:12:50 GMT
Define “full lockdown “ what areas of work/ jobs ? Everything, a full strict lockdown. Lock everyone up for two months so that when we can open pubs fully, get stadiums full. We are just stop start with no real destination. What ever money earned will be used to support the mass unemployment whilst some businesses which add a lot to the economy are doing nothing. That doesn't have to happen if we achieve zero covid. It will be a short term loss but long term gain with many more businesses easing the burden in a more complete capacity. No food, services, health care, infrastructure operation, maintenance? Emergency plumbers / sparks / garages?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 9:36:47 GMT
www.rt.com/uk/501577-uk-scientific-advisor-vaccine-maker-shares/A must read - the puppeteer is set to gain millions upon millions from a vaccine from the invisible virus. Vallance has huge shares in GSK, his former employers, who have already struck colossal deals with US and UK governments to provide a vaccine. He has a deferred share bonus set to mature in April 2021 - when our second ‘lockdown’ is due to end - so he will benefit hugely if the vaccine target is met.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 25, 2020 9:47:07 GMT
www.rt.com/uk/501577-uk-scientific-advisor-vaccine-maker-shares/A must read - the puppeteer is set to gain millions upon millions from a vaccine from the invisible virus. Vallance has huge shares in GSK, his former employers, who have already struck colossal deals with US and UK governments to provide a vaccine. He has a deferred share bonus set to mature in April 2021 - when our second ‘lockdown’ is due to end - so he will benefit hugely if the vaccine target is met. I’m not sure what the issue is if GSK deliver a nation saving vaccine and he’s a shareholder good luck to him as long as he declared his interest which is infaft a matter of public record via the share register then i cant see what’s wrong unless of course GSK were unfairly favoured in a process I which he had influence .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 9:48:25 GMT
www.rt.com/uk/501577-uk-scientific-advisor-vaccine-maker-shares/A must read - the puppeteer is set to gain millions upon millions from a vaccine from the invisible virus. Vallance has huge shares in GSK, his former employers, who have already struck colossal deals with US and UK governments to provide a vaccine. He has a deferred share bonus set to mature in April 2021 - when our second ‘lockdown’ is due to end - so he will benefit hugely if the vaccine target is met. I’m not sure what the issue is if GSK deliver a nation saving vaccine and he’s a shareholder good luck to him as long as he declared his interest which is infaft a matter of public record via the share register then i cant see what’s wrong unless of course GSK were unfairly favoured in a process I which he had influence . Have you read the article? For fuck’s sake what is it with people reading headlines
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 25, 2020 9:51:52 GMT
I’m not sure what the issue is if GSK deliver a nation saving vaccine and he’s a shareholder good luck to him as long as he declared his interest which is infaft a matter of public record via the share register then i cant see what’s wrong unless of course GSK were unfairly favoured in a process I which he had influence . Have you read the article? For fuck’s sake what is it with people reading headlines I have indeed and their is no evidence of undue influence his background explains his holding and its knowledge that may well prove to be OMG eh national interest . I genuinely see nothing wrong and it’s only an option no ken knows if he will or won’t exercise it and what he’s do with it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 9:56:59 GMT
Have you read the article? For fuck’s sake what is it with people reading headlines I have indeed and their is no evidence of undue influence his background explains his holding and its knowledge that may well prove to be OMG eh national interest . I genuinely see nothing wrong and it’s only an option no ken knows if he will or won’t exercise it and what he’s do with it Okay, if you can read that and not have the slightest suspicion based on the data of coronavirus then I’m pleased for you.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 25, 2020 9:57:26 GMT
Everything, a full strict lockdown. Lock everyone up for two months so that when we can open pubs fully, get stadiums full. We are just stop start with no real destination. What ever money earned will be used to support the mass unemployment whilst some businesses which add a lot to the economy are doing nothing. That doesn't have to happen if we achieve zero covid. It will be a short term loss but long term gain with many more businesses easing the burden in a more complete capacity. No food, services, health care, infrastructure operation, maintenance? Emergency plumbers / sparks / garages? What ever it takes to achieve it, I don't think you can stop emergency services and everyone needs access to food and healthcare.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 25, 2020 10:01:18 GMT
I have indeed and their is no evidence of undue influence his background explains his holding and its knowledge that may well prove to be OMG eh national interest . I genuinely see nothing wrong and it’s only an option no ken knows if he will or won’t exercise it and what he’s do with it Okay, if you can read that and not have the slightest suspicion based on the data of coronavirus then I’m pleased for you. Sometimes you have to accept people are doing their very best with no other motivation and in this case i do but obviously people are free to see it whatever way
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Post by henry on Sept 25, 2020 10:08:11 GMT
No food, services, health care, infrastructure operation, maintenance? Emergency plumbers / sparks / garages? What ever it takes to achieve it, I don't think you can stop emergency services and everyone needs access to food and healthcare. You have been told when this ends. 6 months. Health test and vaccines will be ready. Sunak has said we’re past the acute stage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 10:35:32 GMT
Okay, if you can read that and not have the slightest suspicion based on the data of coronavirus then I’m pleased for you. Sometimes you have to accept people are doing their very best with no other motivation and in this case i do but obviously people are free to see it whatever way You are completely off track, all ‘evidence’ suggests coronavirus is nowhere near as deadly as first thought, the government are being advised by Bill and Ben the scientist men into another lockdown, despite not really seeing the point they dare not just in case, oh but the bloke in their ear is set to earn millions off another lockdown and a vaccine. THIS IS THE SAME PATRICK VALLANCE WHO ADMITTED THE OTHER DAY THEY USED THE 50,000 FIGURE TO GRAB HEADLINES.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 25, 2020 10:37:39 GMT
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Post by henry on Sept 25, 2020 10:38:24 GMT
Sometimes you have to accept people are doing their very best with no other motivation and in this case i do but obviously people are free to see it whatever way You are completely off track, all ‘evidence’ suggests coronavirus is nowhere near as deadly as first thought, the government are being advised by Bill and Ben the scientist men into another lockdown, despite not really seeing the point they dare not just in case, oh but the bloke in their ear is set to earn millions off another lockdown and a vaccine. THIS IS THE SAME PATRICK VALLANCE WHO ADMITTED THE OTHER DAY THEY USED THE 50,000 FIGURE TO GRAB HEADLINES. I treat everything I hear and read from the people running this country as lies.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 25, 2020 10:41:51 GMT
Sometimes you have to accept people are doing their very best with no other motivation and in this case i do but obviously people are free to see it whatever way You are completely off track, all ‘evidence’ suggests coronavirus is nowhere near as deadly as first thought, the government are being advised by Bill and Ben the scientist men into another lockdown, despite not really seeing the point they dare not just in case, oh but the bloke in their ear is set to earn millions off another lockdown and a vaccine. THIS IS THE SAME PATRICK VALLANCE WHO ADMITTED THE OTHER DAY THEY USED THE 50,000 FIGURE TO GRAB HEADLINES. The not as deadly is grounded on what deethe rising in Italy , Spain , France I’ll take Vallance view over other equally vested interests on carrying on regardless
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Post by henry on Sept 25, 2020 10:51:05 GMT
Won’t be long before we hear about old people being targeted in their homes by low life bogus officials in blue vests. The fucking state of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 10:51:47 GMT
You are completely off track, all ‘evidence’ suggests coronavirus is nowhere near as deadly as first thought, the government are being advised by Bill and Ben the scientist men into another lockdown, despite not really seeing the point they dare not just in case, oh but the bloke in their ear is set to earn millions off another lockdown and a vaccine. THIS IS THE SAME PATRICK VALLANCE WHO ADMITTED THE OTHER DAY THEY USED THE 50,000 FIGURE TO GRAB HEADLINES. The not as deadly is grounded on what deethe rising in Italy , Spain , France I’ll take Vallance view over other equally vested interests on carrying on regardless When did I say carry on regardless?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 10:53:02 GMT
Volunteering to do that, could you be anymore of a grass haha
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 25, 2020 11:16:41 GMT
A timely reminder that the Police have much more pressing issues than checking if people out shopping are wearing a mask. All the more reason to stop moaning and just get on with wearing them then.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 25, 2020 11:24:06 GMT
You see, this is why I find it so difficult as layman to put my faith in one scientist over another. Here is Scott Atlas giving a pretty convincing argument on why Vallance is completely wrong when he says the vast majority of us don't have any immunity whatsoever. He's advocating that T-Cell immunity is far more prevalent in society than people like Vallance want to admit. It's a theory that's advocated by other top scientists like Beda Stalder and it is one that is gaining a lot of traction at the moment. HOWEVER, you then, at the same time, see this ... www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/stanford-researchers-say-they-wont-be-silenced-after-criticizing-trumps-coronavirus-advisor-dr-scott-atlas.htmlIt really is incredibly hard to know what to believe. 😟
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 25, 2020 11:41:40 GMT
You see, this is why I find it so difficult as layman to put my faith in one scientist over another. Here is Scott Atlas giving a pretty convincing argument on why Vallance is completely wrong when he says the vast majority of us don't have any immunity whatsoever. He's advocating that T-Cell immunity is far more prevalent in society than people like Vallance want to admit. It's a theory that's advocated by other top scientists like Beda Stalder and it is one that is gaining a lot of traction at the moment. HOWEVER, you then, at the same time, see this ... www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/stanford-researchers-say-they-wont-be-silenced-after-criticizing-trumps-coronavirus-advisor-dr-scott-atlas.htmlIt really is incredibly hard to know what to believe. 😟 I don't think there is any right or wrong right now. Most scientists (and the rest of us) are purely speculating on outcomes based on the information we have available which isn't definitive so its all basically guess work to a degree.
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Post by DrGonzo on Sept 25, 2020 11:46:14 GMT
You see, this is why I find it so difficult as layman to put my faith in one scientist over another. Here is Scott Atlas giving a pretty convincing argument on why Vallance is completely wrong when he says the vast majority of us don't have any immunity whatsoever. He's advocating that T-Cell immunity is far more prevalent in society than people like Vallance want to admit. It's a theory that's advocated by other top scientists like Beda Stalder and it is one that is gaining a lot of traction at the moment. HOWEVER, you then, at the same time, see this ... www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/stanford-researchers-say-they-wont-be-silenced-after-criticizing-trumps-coronavirus-advisor-dr-scott-atlas.htmlIt really is incredibly hard to know what to believe. 😟 The problem is that it’s exactly that at the moment, a theory. It would take a huge leap of faith to build a strategy on that alone, and it’s easy for these specialists to voice their theories when there aren’t many thousands of lives riding on their specific advice. You have to hope that there is a concerted government sponsored effort underway to validate these theories, but after reading several articles in the BMJ it seems like we’ve already missed the boat by not including such analysis during vaccination trials etc. As others here have said I think the biggest mistake our, and many other nations, governments have made during all this is to rely too much on blunt measures such as lockdowns and mass testing rather than quality targetted data and metrics.
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