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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 17:49:42 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently.
I thought the idea was that is should be accessible?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2020 17:52:52 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Apparently they’ve just said it works on 87% of phones at the minute but like you me and the Mrs are in the same boat
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 17:55:20 GMT
Not saying its right, but attitudes are a mile away from where they were in March when there was genuine fear. The government is going to have huge problems suppressing a second wave (if it occurs) as people simply aren't as receptive now. There was a research study that concluded that the reason the majority of people complied with lockdown wasn't because of fear - it was because they recognised that it was for the common good. I agree the consensus is fraying at the edges but the success of the government's public health strategy relies heavily on people not behaving like selfish dickheads. There's no question about there being a second wave (it's happening now). The issue is how many die of covid - and if people insist on behaving selfishly there will be far more. It's virtually impossible not to act 'like a selfish dickhead' in a secondary school atm with 1200 kids crammed into a confined space. These are infection centres. There is no testing so God knows how many are carrying it and infecting others. If kids are being allowed to mix in school (and you cannot physically stop it) then you cannot expect them not to mix outside of school. It is impossible to socially distance in a school. This is first hand experience.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 17:57:17 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Apparently they’ve just said it works on 87% of phones at the minute but like you me and the Mrs are in the same boat My wife has been told by her employer that she must download the app, even though she is working from home ! So she's told them they'll have to buy her a new phone. Let's see how that goes down!
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Post by Boothen on Sept 24, 2020 17:59:53 GMT
It's virtually impossible not to act 'like a selfish dickhead' in a secondary school atm with 1200 kids crammed into a confined space. These are infection centres. There is no testing so God knows how many are carrying it and infecting others. If kids are being allowed to mix in school (and you cannot physically stop it) then you cannot expect them not to mix outside of school. It is impossible to socially distance in a school. This is the current state of social distancing in schools. Although to be honest, if the teachers from when I was at school were still teaching then social distancing would not be a problem. Fear is always a good motivator.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2020 18:04:36 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 24, 2020 18:07:10 GMT
There was a research study that concluded that the reason the majority of people complied with lockdown wasn't because of fear - it was because they recognised that it was for the common good. I agree the consensus is fraying at the edges but the success of the government's public health strategy relies heavily on people not behaving like selfish dickheads. There's no question about there being a second wave (it's happening now). The issue is how many die of covid - and if people insist on behaving selfishly there will be far more. It's virtually impossible not to act 'like a selfish dickhead' in a secondary school atm with 1200 kids crammed into a confined space. These are infection centres. There is no testing so God knows how many are carrying it and infecting others. If kids are being allowed to mix in school (and you cannot physically stop it) then you cannot expect them not to mix outside of school. It is impossible to socially distance in a school. I'm talking about adults - really can't blame kids for behaving like kids and if society is going to support "normal" behaviour it should put in the effort for kids and expect adults to behave like adults. Closing schools would be so damaging to children and given the low risk covid presents to them I'd say it's better to keep them open. There is some evidence that people are asymptomatic (rather than pre-symptomatic) are at a low risk of infecting others and as the vast majority of kids are asymptomatic they are likely to be of low risk in terms of infecting others. The issue is more to do with teachers - both in terms of their personal risk and the risk they present to others.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2020 18:07:27 GMT
Apparently they’ve just said it works on 87% of phones at the minute but like you me and the Mrs are in the same boat My wife has been told by her employer that she must download the app, even though she is working from home ! So she's told them they'll have to buy her a new phone. Let's see how that goes down! Fair play to her👍
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Post by DrGonzo on Sept 24, 2020 18:15:43 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? The functionality doesn’t exist in earlier versions of iOS, and the iPhone 6 doesn’t support versions that do, so it’s not really a failure of the app more the price of having an Apple device
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 24, 2020 18:32:21 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Pre 2015 phones don't have the hardware necessary to support the app. Nothing to do with the app itself
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Post by EccyStokie on Sept 24, 2020 18:38:21 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Pre 2015 phones don't have the hardware necessary to support the app. Nothing to do with the app itself Doesn’t seem to be working on my phone. Sent from Nokia 3210
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 18:40:48 GMT
At least 10,000 people have unexpectedly died in their own home since mid-June, official statistics show.
Seven-hundred 'excess deaths' in private homes have been registered each week in England and Wales alone since the pandemic began to die down.
But only an average of 21 each week are down to the coronavirus, according to data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS). And rates have plummeted in recent weeks to as low as seven.
Data shows 30,000 people have died in their homes in the UK since the start of the pandemic in March, and the pattern does not appear to be slowing. For comparison, deaths in hospitals and care homes are currently lower than expected.
Experts say it could be that families are deciding not to admit their elderly relatives into care homes, which were ravaged by the coronavirus during the first wave of the disease in March and April.
It may also be that Britons are still avoiding getting help from the NHS for problems which need urgent care, or have had treatment delayed because of the lockdown, which may be leading to more deaths at home. If we are adding data from up to the end of April, this is around about 30,000 lockdown deaths. And that misses out six or more weeks of data. Truly frightening. Pandemics generally are.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2020 18:43:29 GMT
People know they unlikely to die from the virus is the problem and the fear has gone. Add in the general fatigue from the whole thing and you have alot of people thinking 'fuck it, I'll just take my chances'. I'm assuming that's why the government ramped up the 'fear factor' this week in attempt to get more compliance. I suspect you're right. Then add in the fact that many in our own government don't follow the rules that the rest of us are supposed to and you can see why a lot of people think 'fuck it'. Sad, but not surprising.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 24, 2020 18:44:39 GMT
There was a research study that concluded that the reason the majority of people complied with lockdown wasn't because of fear - it was because they recognised that it was for the common good. I agree the consensus is fraying at the edges but the success of the government's public health strategy relies heavily on people not behaving like selfish dickheads. There's no question about there being a second wave (it's happening now). The issue is how many die of covid - and if people insist on behaving selfishly there will be far more. There is a question of severity though. Its going to require far more draconian measures than appealing to people's good will which is now in short supply. With regards severity, I think London is going to be the key indicator - it has the highest infection rate from the previous wave and is high density. Cases are increasing there but not like areas in the North right now. If they don't explode, it suggests it may be a lower threshold for community immunity than expected. If it explodes, we are in for a very tough autumn and winter. The fines have increased already. If people don't behave sensibly the measures will get more draconian so if people don't want heavy handed government the sane thing to do is to behave responsibly. What I don't understand is that the people who bang on about totalitarian government are the one's who bang on about their intention to break the restrictions - it's the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy. I agree London is a test case but this time we need to take what's happening in other countries seriously as well. Not heeding what was happening in Italy back in February was a massive mistake. There is a genuine debate about the herd immunity threshold and the fact is at the moment no-one knows what it is - the numbers from the second wave will help decide that one. Given the balls up the government made first time round I can understand why they might be erring on the side of caution this time round. Having said that are the new restrictions really that draconian? Like everyone else I want things to be back to normal but I really don't think the government have gone over the top. And if the second wave does prove to be a damp squib brilliant - we can all behave like dickheads at Xmas.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 24, 2020 18:46:06 GMT
Pre 2015 phones don't have the hardware necessary to support the app. Nothing to do with the app itself Doesn’t seem to be working on my phone. Sent from Nokia 3210 Haha Nice work
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 24, 2020 18:52:10 GMT
People know they unlikely to die from the virus is the problem and the fear has gone. Add in the general fatigue from the whole thing and you have alot of people thinking 'fuck it, I'll just take my chances'. I'm assuming that's why the government ramped up the 'fear factor' this week in attempt to get more compliance. Then they are thick selfish fuckers. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ This. I agree with Bayern
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Post by Timmypotter on Sept 24, 2020 19:00:26 GMT
Pre 2015 phones don't have the hardware necessary to support the app. Nothing to do with the app itself Doesn’t seem to be working on my phone. Sent from Nokia 3210 Has there ever been a better phone? I thought my 5110 was the best thing ever and then the 3210 took it to a whole new level. I still had one as a holiday phone until a couple of years ago.
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 24, 2020 19:01:15 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Even worse than that Spit. We've had a text from our Doctors today which says that you cannot make or book an appointment at the surgery for anything if you do not have the App activated on your phone. Where the f@£k do I start with this request. 1 - My phone is too old so I cannot use the App - yup 2 - our next door neighbour is 85 and only has one of those brick type mobile phones - yup, spoken to her as a good neighbour and she is worried out of her mind 3 - I need to book a flu jab (had one for over 10 years) but it appears that I need to buy a new smartphone to be able to book a flu jab - total madness, no way I'm doing that 4 - I thought the app was voluntary - perhaps I'm wrong and its being forced on everyone It's like something from 1984 God knows how I go about getting my repeat prescription It's complete bollox. I'm actually looking forward to ringing them tomorrow to "have a word" - that's after being on hold for the usual 20 minutes
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Post by salopstick on Sept 24, 2020 19:05:11 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Even worse than that Spit. We've had a text from our Doctors today which says that you cannot make or book an appointment at the surgery for anything if you do not have the App activated on your phone. Where the f@£k do I start with this request. 1 - My phone is too old so I cannot use the App - yup 2 - our next door neighbour is 85 and only has one of those brick type mobile phones - yup, spoken to her as a good neighbour and she is worried out of her mind 3 - I need to book a flu jab (had one for over 10 years) but it appears that I need to buy a new smartphone to be able to book a flu jab - total madness, no way I'm doing that 4 - I thought the app was voluntary - perhaps I'm wrong and its being forced on everyone It's like something from 1984 God knows how I go about getting my repeat prescription It's complete bollox. I'm actually looking forward to ringing them tomorrow to "have a word" - that's after being on hold for the usual 20 minutes And here it starts. I won’t be downloading the fucking thing
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Post by salopstick on Sept 24, 2020 19:07:31 GMT
At least 10,000 people have unexpectedly died in their own home since mid-June, official statistics show.
Seven-hundred 'excess deaths' in private homes have been registered each week in England and Wales alone since the pandemic began to die down.
But only an average of 21 each week are down to the coronavirus, according to data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS). And rates have plummeted in recent weeks to as low as seven.
Data shows 30,000 people have died in their homes in the UK since the start of the pandemic in March, and the pattern does not appear to be slowing. For comparison, deaths in hospitals and care homes are currently lower than expected.
Experts say it could be that families are deciding not to admit their elderly relatives into care homes, which were ravaged by the coronavirus during the first wave of the disease in March and April.
It may also be that Britons are still avoiding getting help from the NHS for problems which need urgent care, or have had treatment delayed because of the lockdown, which may be leading to more deaths at home. If we are adding data from up to the end of April, this is around about 30,000 lockdown deaths. And that misses out six or more weeks of data. Truly frightening. It’s selfish to keep banging about about covid a virus that 90% of people will hardly suffer whilst ignoring the collateral damage in terms of other deaths, illness, etc etc etc
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 24, 2020 19:13:51 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Even worse than that Spit. We've had a text from our Doctors today which says that you cannot make or book an appointment at the surgery for anything if you do not have the App activated on your phone. Where the f@£k do I start with this request. 1 - My phone is too old so I cannot use the App - yup 2 - our next door neighbour is 85 and only has one of those brick type mobile phones - yup, spoken to her as a good neighbour and she is worried out of her mind 3 - I need to book a flu jab (had one for over 10 years) but it appears that I need to buy a new smartphone to be able to book a flu jab - total madness, no way I'm doing that 4 - I thought the app was voluntary - perhaps I'm wrong and its being forced on everyone It's like something from 1984 God knows how I go about getting my repeat prescription It's complete bollox. I'm actually looking forward to ringing them tomorrow to "have a word" - that's after being on hold for the usual 20 minutes It's almost like they're trying to make things as difficult as possible for the elderly. I wonder how many are going to lose their lives this winter due to missed appointments/checkups/treatments/medication... I wonder what will be written on their death certificates...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 24, 2020 19:14:37 GMT
If we are adding data from up to the end of April, this is around about 30,000 lockdown deaths. And that misses out six or more weeks of data. Truly frightening. It’s selfish to keep banging about about covid a virus that 90% of people will hardly suffer whilst ignoring the collateral damage in terms of other deaths, illness, etc etc etc Well you'd know all about 'banging on' about it.
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 24, 2020 19:17:56 GMT
Even worse than that Spit. We've had a text from our Doctors today which says that you cannot make or book an appointment at the surgery for anything if you do not have the App activated on your phone. Where the f@£k do I start with this request. 1 - My phone is too old so I cannot use the App - yup 2 - our next door neighbour is 85 and only has one of those brick type mobile phones - yup, spoken to her as a good neighbour and she is worried out of her mind 3 - I need to book a flu jab (had one for over 10 years) but it appears that I need to buy a new smartphone to be able to book a flu jab - total madness, no way I'm doing that 4 - I thought the app was voluntary - perhaps I'm wrong and its being forced on everyone It's like something from 1984 God knows how I go about getting my repeat prescription It's complete bollox. I'm actually looking forward to ringing them tomorrow to "have a word" - that's after being on hold for the usual 20 minutes And here it starts. I won’t be downloading the fucking thing Problem is Salop. I thought Doctors were Civil Servants - there's a clue in those 2 words. NOT the Governments Gestapo. I can almost guarantee that at some point it will be hacked or the information sold by the government to some massive drugs company. Even worse what if the information got into the hands of the insurance or mortgage industry - this whole thing is very worrying and I absolutely do not trust the government on this app.
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Post by chad on Sept 24, 2020 19:32:29 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Even worse than that Spit. We've had a text from our Doctors today which says that you cannot make or book an appointment at the surgery for anything if you do not have the App activated on your phone. Where the f@£k do I start with this request. 1 - My phone is too old so I cannot use the App - yup 2 - our next door neighbour is 85 and only has one of those brick type mobile phones - yup, spoken to her as a good neighbour and she is worried out of her mind 3 - I need to book a flu jab (had one for over 10 years) but it appears that I need to buy a new smartphone to be able to book a flu jab - total madness, no way I'm doing that 4 - I thought the app was voluntary - perhaps I'm wrong and its being forced on everyone It's like something from 1984 God knows how I go about getting my repeat prescription It's complete bollox. I'm actually looking forward to ringing them tomorrow to "have a word" - that's after being on hold for the usual 20 minutes If that’s true then name and shame your doctor on here on Facebook and any other media. Doctors can not possibly do that
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 19:49:10 GMT
It's virtually impossible not to act 'like a selfish dickhead' in a secondary school atm with 1200 kids crammed into a confined space. These are infection centres. There is no testing so God knows how many are carrying it and infecting others. If kids are being allowed to mix in school (and you cannot physically stop it) then you cannot expect them not to mix outside of school. It is impossible to socially distance in a school. I'm talking about adults - really can't blame kids for behaving like kids and if society is going to support "normal" behaviour it should put in the effort for kids and expect adults to behave like adults. Closing schools would be so damaging to children and given the low risk covid presents to them I'd say it's better to keep them open. There is some evidence that people are asymptomatic (rather than pre-symptomatic) are at a low risk of infecting others and as the vast majority of kids are asymptomatic they are likely to be of low risk in terms of infecting others. The issue is more to do with teachers - both in terms of their personal risk and the risk they present to others. In the school I work the whole of the Science and IT Dept staff have tested positive as well as a PE teacher & 2 Caretakers now!
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 19:59:49 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? The functionality doesn’t exist in earlier versions of iOS, and the iPhone 6 doesn’t support versions that do, so it’s not really a failure of the app more the price of having an Apple device That price is not just mine though is it? Its in no-ones interest for people like me to be unable to use this app. I'm working in a school and in contact with loads of people everyday. My interest in having the app is to have the ability to protect others. I might be unknowingly infecting you tomorrow if I'm in the same Supermarket. It is a failure of what supposed to be a critical app if it's not accessible to many, and the fact that Hancock doesn't have any idea how many people need to download for it to be successful means I have no idea of the implications of not being able to access it.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2020 20:02:09 GMT
Can someone please explain..... what is the point of a tracing app that people cant download. Does not work on Iphone 6. Doesn't work on mine or my wife's phone. Too old apparently. I thought the idea was that is should be accessible? Pre 2015 phones don't have the hardware necessary to support the app. Nothing to do with the app itself Surely the design brief for the app should have been that it should be able to work on pre2015 phones.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2020 20:02:53 GMT
Hmmm ... The Liverpool v Arsenal match this coming Monday was due to kick-off at 8.15pm but as a result of the new ruling meaning pubs have to be closed by 10pm, that would have meant that fans watching the match in pubs would miss the last few minutes. So the kick-off has been brought forward to 8pm in order that nobody misses any of the match. I wonder if social distancing and table service will be maintained throughout? talksport.com/football/763875/liverpool-vs-arsenal-premier-league-rescheduled-kick-off-covid-pub-curfew/
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2020 20:05:45 GMT
Hmmm ... The Liverpool v Arsenal match this coming Monday was due to kick-off at 8.15pm but as a result of the new ruling meaning pubs have to be closed by 10pm, that would have meant that fans watching the match in pubs would miss the last few minutes. So the kick-off has been brought forward to 8pm in order that nobody misses any of the match. I wonder if social distancing and table service will be maintained throughout? talksport.com/football/763875/liverpool-vs-arsenal-premier-league-rescheduled-kick-off-covid-pub-curfew/The ref will be under strict orders then for no injury time in each half😄
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 20:06:45 GMT
If we are adding data from up to the end of April, this is around about 30,000 lockdown deaths. And that misses out six or more weeks of data. Truly frightening. It’s selfish to keep banging about about covid a virus that 90% of people will hardly suffer whilst ignoring the collateral damage in terms of other deaths, illness, etc etc etc You will likely catch this virus several times or more without a vaccine and at any one time you could get a nasty experience.
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