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Post by starkiller on Aug 6, 2020 17:55:26 GMT
So, just a shitload of questions with no answer at all to the one I asked you. Always the way with those who favour the conspiracy theory. Lots of dropped hints and dark whisperings about agendas and the like, but never explained in depth beyond that about the reasons for it all. I suspect the answer to most of your questions is incompetence (highly likely) and corruption and favours for friends (quite likely), rather than anything sinister like global population control or the like, but that's maybe the difference in the way we see things. Both of those two (incompetence and corruption) are nothing new for this or any other government, so why some sinister behind the scenes skulduggery needs to be invented is beyond me. Starkiller never manages to answer either, beyond vague references to 'globalists', 'Marxist infiltration' and 'their agenda' and the like. Shadowy conspiracy goings-on is his default position on every topic, I'd love you to point me in the direction of one of his which has proven to be spot on. I'll stick to my prediction of people looking back to 2020 from the normality of 2022 and thinking that was unpleasant, glad it's all over. And all the dark-hinting conspiracy theorists will be revising their previous positions. Except some things are no even so shadowy. We have a world increasingly run by unelected world bodies that spread their tentacles into countries through technocrats. Are you happy with unelected world health organisation officials, with links to pharmaceutical corporations, dictating health policy and controlling information? You don't even need to look deeper than Gates to see these connections. But there are more. A normal person wouldn't even buy a used car without more nous when accepting what dodgy dealer was telling them. Potential profits for pharmaceuticals are astronomical. It's early stages in terms of working out what is going on but there's umpteen things that don't sit right. And I know for a fact that a truly deadly pandemic does not require multiple ways to inflate official statistics to make it look more scary. Any libertarian would be aghast at the liberties that are being handed over supposedly in the name of all this. Even the right to earn an independent fair living and move freely. And I reserve the right to be extremely wary and distrusting. Maybe the main goal is to get people clamouring for an untried and dubious vaccine. And there's no chance I'll be taking it , even though further threats on liberties will be made to force people to do so. And, if that's the case, I'll happily pay a large sum to the right contact to get certification, forcing me to be corrupt to retain inalienable liberties.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 6, 2020 18:01:25 GMT
My wife's antibody test came back positive. Despite being redeployed to work in a care home immediately before she fell ill at the end of March , while she was symptomatic (temperature/ lethargy but no cough) she could not get a test because the decision had been taken in February that the UK wouldn't adopt mass testing.
A week after falling ill she was supposed to go back to work, because the UK had decided that you only need to isolate for 7 days whereas just about the rest of the world advised longer -as it was she was not fit and was off for another week. If she had gone back after 7 days, with no test and, as is now recognised. potentially still contagious , she could have triggered another care home outbreak.
With the decisions the UK took it is hardly surprising the death toll was as high as it was.
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Post by Davef on Aug 6, 2020 18:21:21 GMT
My wife's antibody test came back positive. Despite being redeployed to work in a care home immediately before she fell ill at the end of March , while she was symptomatic (temperature/ lethargy but no cough) she could not get a test because the decision had been taken in February that the UK wouldn't adopt mass testing. A week after falling ill she was supposed to go back to work, because the UK had decided that you only need to isolate for 7 days whereas just about the rest of the world advised longer -as it was she was not fit and was off for another week. If she had gone back after 7 days, with no test and, as is now recognised. potentially still contagious , she could have triggered another care home outbreak. With the decisions the UK took it is hardly surprising the death toll was as high as it was. There are plenty of studies which suggest that your wife may have actually been more infectious in the days leading up to her getting symptoms than she would've been had she been well enough to return to work after seven days. The CDC reckon that carriers can go between 2 and 14 days before the onset of symptoms, but still be shedding the virus. That possibly explains why care homes were so badly hit, because people who work there would surely not have been working in those environments had they known they were carrying the virus?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 6, 2020 19:46:41 GMT
I read your previous post explaining the rise in cases. I'm still undecided on whether this is attributed to a time lag, an increase in reporting or an improvement in clinical support. I guess it's a combination of factors. There's no doubt that there is far greater testing taking place now in specific areas where you would most likely find the virus, so an increase would be expected but at the same time, it can't be simply a coincidence, that a few days after Super Saturday on July 4th, the number of cases started to rise and has continued to do so, no doubt predominantly now in younger, healthier people, as the death rate continues to fall, as the elderly and the at risk members of society 'keep out of the way' of the virus. That seems the most sensible explanation to me
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 6, 2020 19:57:47 GMT
Would you go a Stoke match this weekend with 27,000 people in attendance and all the normal pushing and shoving and pissing and drinking?? Honest answer please. What an odd question. If I was able to go to a football match with 27,000 people in attendance then the Government would obviously deem that the the risk level was low enough for people's lives to return to normality so yes, of course I'd go, though I'd understand why some people would not want to attend. If I had the opportunity to go to a match as part of a trial exercise, then yes, I'd go. Well yes. If the government deemed it safe to go to a packed stadium then obviously it should be ok. That wasn't the point though. You seem to be advocating in your general comments that we ought to be getting back to "normal" etc. Unless I'm thinking about another poster and if I am please excuse me. I'm asking you if you would be prepared to go into a packed stadium tomorrow. As things stand now. If people are insisting that there is an overreaction to this virus blah blah and destroying normal life then they should be willing to participate in mass gatherings.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 6, 2020 20:01:15 GMT
This has nodoubt been answered somewhere before but I can't remember the answer... All these 'positive results' we're getting, do they mean that the person stood right their infront of them as the test is taken has the virus right now, or does it also cover people who have had the virus at any point in the past & have anti-bodies/left over remnants of the virus?
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 20:10:47 GMT
This has nodoubt been answered somewhere before but I can't remember the answer... All these 'positive results' we're getting, do they mean that the person stood right their infront of them as the test is taken has the virus right now, or does it also cover people who have had the virus at any point in the past & have anti-bodies/left over remnants of the virus? No one knows any more
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 6, 2020 20:24:46 GMT
This has nodoubt been answered somewhere before but I can't remember the answer... All these 'positive results' we're getting, do they mean that the person stood right their infront of them as the test is taken has the virus right now, or does it also cover people who have had the virus at any point in the past & have anti-bodies/left over remnants of the virus? My understanding, and I might be wrong, is that if you are tested for the virus (swab test etc) that tells you with a degree of confidence if you were carrying the virus at the time of the test. If you are tested for antibodies (blood test) , a positive result confirms you have had the virus at some point, but a negative result is pretty inconclusive.
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Post by durbanscircus on Aug 6, 2020 20:27:01 GMT
It seems to me the debate on here goes around in circles. I make a small number of points for the last time
1. There is no comparison between winter flu and Coivd in terms of death. Flu runs its course and COVID required a shut down other wise death would have overwhelmed us. You cant compare death from Covid after a lockdown with unmitigated winter flu...unless you are stupid or want to mislead
2. It doesnt matter how you measure death and if PHE are incompetent its insignificant - Excess deaths dont lie....65,000 according to ONS our gold standard statistical agency
3. Summer is the quite time for the virus...but our lower death level is very very high by European standards . Winter is coming and our lowest level of infection is high compared to others
4. The Government in case you havent noticed it are twitching viably . infections are rising and their own Government Office of Science have projected very bad potential outcomes for the winter- our public health response just isnt good enough
Im not going to post on here now until the Winter is done...Look after yourselves, your family and your friends ...and Hopefully we will be back at the Brit in August 2021
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 20:29:11 GMT
So, just a shitload of questions with no answer at all to the one I asked you. Always the way with those who favour the conspiracy theory. Lots of dropped hints and dark whisperings about agendas and the like, but never explained in depth beyond that about the reasons for it all. I suspect the answer to most of your questions is incompetence (highly likely) and corruption and favours for friends (quite likely), rather than anything sinister like global population control or the like, but that's maybe the difference in the way we see things. Both of those two (incompetence and corruption) are nothing new for this or any other government, so why some sinister behind the scenes skulduggery needs to be invented is beyond me. Starkiller never manages to answer either, beyond vague references to 'globalists', 'Marxist infiltration' and 'their agenda' and the like. Shadowy conspiracy goings-on is his default position on every topic, I'd love you to point me in the direction of one of his which has proven to be spot on. I'll stick to my prediction of people looking back to 2020 from the normality of 2022 and thinking that was unpleasant, glad it's all over. And all the dark-hinting conspiracy theorists will be revising their previous positions. Except some things are no even so shadowy. We have a world increasingly run by unelected world bodies that spread their tentacles into countries through technocrats. Are you happy with unelected world health organisation officials, with links to pharmaceutical corporations, dictating health policy and controlling information? You don't even need to look deeper than Gates to see these connections. But there are more. A normal person wouldn't even buy a used car without more nous when accepting what dodgy dealer was telling them. Potential profits for pharmaceuticals are astronomical. It's early stages in terms of working out what is going on but there's umpteen things that don't sit right. And I know for a fact that a truly deadly pandemic does not require multiple ways to inflate official statistics to make it look more scary. Any libertarian would be aghast at the liberties that are being handed over supposedly in the name of all this. Even the right to earn an independent fair living and move freely. And I reserve the right to be extremely wary and distrusting. Maybe the main goal is to get people clamouring for an untried and dubious vaccine. And there's no chance I'll be taking it , even though further threats on liberties will be made to force people to do so. And, if that's the case, I'll happily pay a large sum to the right contact to get certification, forcing me to be corrupt to retain inalienable liberties. As entirely expected, more shadowy woowoo bollocks, absolutely no reason given behind it all because "it's too early" ie you can't think of a coherent one.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 6, 2020 20:50:15 GMT
This has nodoubt been answered somewhere before but I can't remember the answer... All these 'positive results' we're getting, do they mean that the person stood right their infront of them as the test is taken has the virus right now, or does it also cover people who have had the virus at any point in the past & have anti-bodies/left over remnants of the virus? Antibody tests aren't included as far as I'm aware
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 6, 2020 20:51:25 GMT
This has nodoubt been answered somewhere before but I can't remember the answer... All these 'positive results' we're getting, do they mean that the person stood right their infront of them as the test is taken has the virus right now, or does it also cover people who have had the virus at any point in the past & have anti-bodies/left over remnants of the virus? My understanding, and I might be wrong, is that if you are tested for the virus (swab test etc) that tells you with a degree of confidence if you were carrying the virus at the time of the test. If you are tested for antibodies (blood test) , a positive result confirms you have had the virus at some point, but a negative result is pretty inconclusive. So when we're hearing about these 'test results' in the MSM, which test is it we're hearing from? The swab test, the blood test or a combination of both?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 6, 2020 20:55:51 GMT
3. Summer is the quite time for the virus. What makes you say this? Florida, Arizona, Texas, India, Mexico, Brazil etc... These are places that don't really have a winter. 4. The Government in case you havent noticed it are twitching viably . infections are rising and their own Government Office of Science have projected very bad potential outcomes for the winter- our public health response just isnt good enough So why are we knocking down the Nightingale hospitals?
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Post by durbanscircus on Aug 6, 2020 21:05:05 GMT
3. Summer is the quite time for the virus. What makes you say this? Florida, Arizona, Texas, India, Mexico, Brazil etc... These are places that don't really have a winter. 4. The Government in case you havent noticed it are twitching viably . infections are rising and their own Government Office of Science have projected very bad potential outcomes for the winter- our public health response just isnt good enough So why are we knocking down the Nightingale hospitals? I didnt know they were knocking the Nightingale hospitals down With respect to your other question. The Virus isnt seasonal. it thrives off human contact so if we are lax on containing it even in warm places like Melbourne and Florida it will run riot. In the UK we have had a temporary and limited lockdown which has been supported by a change of behaviour in the over 50s.This has had an impact but the infection rate was so high when we took action that our death rate for a week in July was worse than all the EU countries added together- the infection rate in the community is high The Government Office for Science report released two weeks ago notes that the virus hangs in the air and lives on surfaces five times longer in the winter than summer therefore the risks increase dramatically in terms of spread.Also our behaviour changes to in winter , less time outside , huddling the cold , plus winter flu which can infect soemone at the same time as covid. Personally I think Winter will be a shit show because once you lose control of a virus like this its hard to catch up...a total shut down for six weeks- seal the border like New Zealand and then rebuild confidence and the economy would be my option. Go down the route we are on and Hanley will be empty in December and many of our loved ones will be gone
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 21:21:43 GMT
3. Summer is the quite time for the virus. What makes you say this? Florida, Arizona, Texas, India, Mexico, Brazil etc... These are places that don't really have a winter. 4. The Government in case you havent noticed it are twitching viably . infections are rising and their own Government Office of Science have projected very bad potential outcomes for the winter- our public health response just isnt good enough So why are we knocking down the Nightingale hospitals? Because we are all wearing masks
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Post by durbanscircus on Aug 6, 2020 21:23:06 GMT
Salop see above
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Post by Davef on Aug 6, 2020 21:30:01 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 6, 2020 21:31:58 GMT
What makes you say this? Florida, Arizona, Texas, India, Mexico, Brazil etc... These are places that don't really have a winter. So why are we knocking down the Nightingale hospitals? I didnt know they were knocking the Nightingale hospitals down With respect to your other question. The Virus isnt seasonal. it thrives off human contact so if we are lax on containing it even in warm places like Melbourne and Florida it will run riot. In the UK we have had a temporary and limited lockdown which has been supported by a change of behaviour in the over 50s.This has had an impact but the infection rate was so high when we took action that our death rate for a week in July was worse than all the EU countries added together- the infection rate in the community is high The Government Office for Science report released two weeks ago notes that the virus hangs in the air and lives on surfaces five times longer in the winter than summer therefore the risks increase dramatically in terms of spread.Also our behaviour changes to in winter , less time outside , huddling the cold , plus winter flu which can infect soemone at the same time as covid. Personally I think Winter will be a shit show because once you lose control of a virus like this its hard to catch up...a total shut down for six weeks- seal the border like New Zealand and then rebuild confidence and the economy would be my option. Go down the route we are on and Hanley will be empty in December and many of our loved ones will be gone Those are the reasons why in my humble option the government are likely to takw relative flyer on the oxford vaccine in the autumn immunity Might be short term but assuming stage 3 tests show no risk id expect them to start with the over 50s late October
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 6, 2020 21:32:59 GMT
It seems to me the debate on here goes around in circles. I make a small number of points for the last time 1. There is no comparison between winter flu and Coivd in terms of death. Flu runs its course and COVID required a shut down other wise death would have overwhelmed us. You cant compare death from Covid after a lockdown with unmitigated winter flu...unless you are stupid or want to mislead 2. It doesnt matter how you measure death and if PHE are incompetent its insignificant - Excess deaths dont lie....65,000 according to ONS our gold standard statistical agency 3. Summer is the quite time for the virus...but our lower death level is very very high by European standards . Winter is coming and our lowest level of infection is high compared to others 4. The Government in case you havent noticed it are twitching viably . infections are rising and their own Government Office of Science have projected very bad potential outcomes for the winter- our public health response just isnt good enough Im not going to post on here now until the Winter is done...Look after yourselves, your family and your friends ...and Hopefully we will be back at the Brit in August 2021 I posted this a few months back: Interesting article from 2015 on the ONS website: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/highestnumberofexcesswinterdeathssince19992000/2015-11-25The chart showing "Average number of excess winter deaths, England and Wales, 1950/51 to 2014/15" caught my eye. You might expect that this chart would show some years where there were negative excess deaths (i.e. there were fewer winter deaths than the previous 5 year average), but the lowest figure for any of the periods displayed is around 30,000 excess deaths. I guess that would be accounted for by population growth. When there are more people in the population, more of them die as a total, so the excess death figure always remains in positive territory. It's interesting that the average number of excess winter deaths for the period '50/51 to '65/66 is around 62,000. This at a time when the population of the UK would have been around 3/4 of its current size. In my opinion excess deaths aren't necessarily the gold standard they're often held up to be. There are lots of factors other than a bad virus that can cause excess deaths.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 6, 2020 21:34:41 GMT
Except some things are no even so shadowy. We have a world increasingly run by unelected world bodies that spread their tentacles into countries through technocrats. Are you happy with unelected world health organisation officials, with links to pharmaceutical corporations, dictating health policy and controlling information? You don't even need to look deeper than Gates to see these connections. But there are more. A normal person wouldn't even buy a used car without more nous when accepting what dodgy dealer was telling them. Potential profits for pharmaceuticals are astronomical. It's early stages in terms of working out what is going on but there's umpteen things that don't sit right. And I know for a fact that a truly deadly pandemic does not require multiple ways to inflate official statistics to make it look more scary. Any libertarian would be aghast at the liberties that are being handed over supposedly in the name of all this. Even the right to earn an independent fair living and move freely. And I reserve the right to be extremely wary and distrusting. Maybe the main goal is to get people clamouring for an untried and dubious vaccine. And there's no chance I'll be taking it , even though further threats on liberties will be made to force people to do so. And, if that's the case, I'll happily pay a large sum to the right contact to get certification, forcing me to be corrupt to retain inalienable liberties. As entirely expected, more shadowy woowoo bollocks, absolutely no reason given behind it all because "it's too early" ie you can't think of a coherent one. I've posted direct sources from world economic forum about the great reset, Rockefeller documents that predicts almost this exact scenario from 2010, and the Gates event 201 from October last year with this scenario. These are primary sources that suggest some kind of premeditation. Even if not, the official statistics themselves do not match the scare story narrative. Using your words 'its woohoo scary bollocks', yet you are fully onboard with it. Buildings can now be demolished. This is where we're at. And you think this official narrative is coherent? Maybe you should turn your attention to this nonsensical, inconsistent, damn right fraudulent bollocks, instead of targetting those that can see this a total mess of a narrative that is being sold. If you don't want to even entertain the idea that the world ain't exactly the way the BBC has presented it to you then fair enough. But I'll exercise freethinking, especially when information given makes no sense. I couldn't care less about being labelled a conspiracy theorist, a term that is used in exactly the same way as 'racist'. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but truth should not require mental gymnastics to make it work. This is certainly not the case with Covid 19. And why does it require draconian censorship? Why are doctors silenced? Why are the hard questions not allowed to be asked?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 6, 2020 22:14:05 GMT
As entirely expected, more shadowy woowoo bollocks, absolutely no reason given behind it all because "it's too early" ie you can't think of a coherent one. I've posted direct sources from world economic forum about the great reset, Rockefeller documents that predicts almost this exact scenario from 2010, and the Gates event 201 from October last year with this scenario. These are primary sources that suggest some kind of premeditation. Even if not, the official statistics themselves do not match the scare story narrative. Using your words 'its woohoo scary bollocks', yet you are fully onboard with it. And you think this official narrative is coherent? Maybe you should turn your attention to this nonsensical, inconsistent, damn right fraudulent bollocks, instead of targetting those that can see this a total mess of a narrative that is being sold. If you don't want to even entertain the idea that the world ain't exactly the way the BBC has presented it to you then fair enough. But I'll exercise freethinking, especially when information given makes no sense. I couldn't care less about being labelled a conspiracy theorist, a term that is used in exactly the same way as 'racist'. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but truth should not require mental gymnastics to make it work. This is certainly not the case with Covid 19. And why does it require draconian censorship? Why are doctors silenced? Why are the hard questions not allowed to be asked? Free thinking is great but once your head has run free how do you distinguish between what might be somewhere approximating reality and what could be complete bollocks? You are right in that mainstream thinking may not always be correct but the basis of your version of reality is that it is always wrong. The thing is having denied mainstream thought you've bought into a very particular version of the truth which you no longer question. You venerate free thinking but in reality you have found a truth and have stopped thinking. I actually think mainstream thought may sometimes be wrong. You think it can never be right. So who exactly is the free thinker and who is blinded by their incontrovertible version of the truth?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 22:53:09 GMT
I one hundred per cent agree with all of this On a separate issue it is not right the old and middle aged , the retired and about to retire , feel they have some devine right to do this and that , and the young will pay for it for decades to come . They may have guessed right and they may well ' get away with it ' .But it's still completely wrong for them to bill the young for their current behaviour and expect them to foot the bill for decades to come.It is just wrong .
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Post by durbanscircus on Aug 7, 2020 6:55:46 GMT
It seems to me the debate on here goes around in circles. I make a small number of points for the last time 1. There is no comparison between winter flu and Coivd in terms of death. Flu runs its course and COVID required a shut down other wise death would have overwhelmed us. You cant compare death from Covid after a lockdown with unmitigated winter flu...unless you are stupid or want to mislead 2. It doesnt matter how you measure death and if PHE are incompetent its insignificant - Excess deaths dont lie....65,000 according to ONS our gold standard statistical agency 3. Summer is the quite time for the virus...but our lower death level is very very high by European standards . Winter is coming and our lowest level of infection is high compared to others 4. The Government in case you havent noticed it are twitching viably . infections are rising and their own Government Office of Science have projected very bad potential outcomes for the winter- our public health response just isnt good enough Im not going to post on here now until the Winter is done...Look after yourselves, your family and your friends ...and Hopefully we will be back at the Brit in August 2021 I posted this a few months back: Interesting article from 2015 on the ONS website: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/highestnumberofexcesswinterdeathssince19992000/2015-11-25The chart showing "Average number of excess winter deaths, England and Wales, 1950/51 to 2014/15" caught my eye. You might expect that this chart would show some years where there were negative excess deaths (i.e. there were fewer winter deaths than the previous 5 year average), but the lowest figure for any of the periods displayed is around 30,000 excess deaths. I guess that would be accounted for by population growth. When there are more people in the population, more of them die as a total, so the excess death figure always remains in positive territory. It's interesting that the average number of excess winter deaths for the period '50/51 to '65/66 is around 62,000. This at a time when the population of the UK would have been around 3/4 of its current size. In my opinion excess deaths aren't necessarily the gold standard they're often held up to be. There are lots of factors other than a bad virus that can cause excess deaths. There is an explanation in relation to your point about excess deaths happening in winter every year. This is absolutely correct, and the excess is expressed as the number above the annual average.There are always more deaths in winter therefore there are always more excess deaths for the year in those months. I refered to ONS being the gold standard for statistical analysis rather than any set of statisitics, but that aside what they did with COVID was to compare the death rate with the average excess deaths for the previous five years- the difference was 65,000 over an above average excess deaths in those months when the virus was running riot.They have now standardised this per 100,000 of the population and compared the rates across Europe- ours are horrific by comparison. This is all on the ONS web site and easy to access. One final point the scientific community is unaware of any other factor, virus or illness that was operating at the same time as COVID so its hard to reach any other conclusion that the virus has generated these deaths
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Post by Davef on Aug 7, 2020 7:57:03 GMT
Douglas Murray isn't everybody's cup of tea, but he's nailed Sturgeon to the floor here.
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 7, 2020 7:57:08 GMT
I posted this a few months back: In my opinion excess deaths aren't necessarily the gold standard they're often held up to be. There are lots of factors other than a bad virus that can cause excess deaths. There is an explanation in relation to your point about excess deaths happening in winter every year. This is absolutely correct, and the excess is expressed as the number above the annual average.There are always more deaths in winter therefore there are always more excess deaths for the year in those months. I refered to ONS being the gold standard for statistical analysis rather than any set of statisitics, but that aside what they did with COVID was to compare the death rate with the average excess deaths for the previous five years- the difference was 65,000 over an above average excess deaths in those months when the virus was running riot.They have now standardised this per 100,000 of the population and compared the rates across Europe- ours are horrific by comparison. This is all on the ONS web site and easy to access. One final point the scientific community is unaware of any other factor, virus or illness that was operating at the same time as COVID so its hard to reach any other conclusion that the virus has generated these deaths Good clarification. Other factors do still have a part to play though in my opinion, in tandem with CV. As well as a growing population we have an aging population. As the % of the population over the age of 70 increases, so does the number of people who will be at risk from a virus. Thanks to massive balls-ups in the way we've handled CV patients in care homes, our figure will be worse than other countries who managed this aspect better. I don't think these figures should be used as evidence that we need to lock down more strictly, or all wear masks when we leave the house (I know you didn't say that). Our poor performance needs to be recognised as the result of decisions that harmed old people.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 7, 2020 8:00:10 GMT
I've posted direct sources from world economic forum about the great reset, Rockefeller documents that predicts almost this exact scenario from 2010, and the Gates event 201 from October last year with this scenario. These are primary sources that suggest some kind of premeditation. Even if not, the official statistics themselves do not match the scare story narrative. Using your words 'its woohoo scary bollocks', yet you are fully onboard with it. And you think this official narrative is coherent? Maybe you should turn your attention to this nonsensical, inconsistent, damn right fraudulent bollocks, instead of targetting those that can see this a total mess of a narrative that is being sold. If you don't want to even entertain the idea that the world ain't exactly the way the BBC has presented it to you then fair enough. But I'll exercise freethinking, especially when information given makes no sense. I couldn't care less about being labelled a conspiracy theorist, a term that is used in exactly the same way as 'racist'. Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but truth should not require mental gymnastics to make it work. This is certainly not the case with Covid 19. And why does it require draconian censorship? Why are doctors silenced? Why are the hard questions not allowed to be asked? Free thinking is great but once your head has run free how do you distinguish between what might be somewhere approximating reality and what could be complete bollocks? You are right in that mainstream thinking may not always be correct but the basis of your version of reality is that it is always wrong. The thing is having denied mainstream thought you've bought into a very particular version of the truth which you no longer question. You venerate free thinking but in reality you have found a truth and have stopped thinking. I actually think mainstream thought may sometimes be wrong. You think it can never be right. So who exactly is the free thinker and who is blinded by their incontrovertible version of the truth? Spot on. And, Starkiller, with as much respect as I can muster, you are a conspiracy theorist, with Salopstick worryingly in your thrall. Every thread you post on (on the EEB at least) will have you alluding to sinister, behind the scenes forces at work (with rarely any explanation of the ultimate goal or how it's all being co-ordinated or even why the various players, many of whom have nothing in common, would agree to it all). So I disagree, that term is simply a descriptor, and much less potentially offensive or deliberately pejorative than the usual conspiracy theorist practice of labelling people 'sheeple' or 'deluded' if they don't go along with it. (For the record, I've no idea whether you've used those words yourself). And yes, I do think the 'official narrative' is more coherent than any of the woowoo bollocks you come out with. Plenty of doctors have expressed differing opinions and been well covered in doing so, as just one example. I guess we all see what we want to see. We'll just have to agree to disagree and see who ends up being right on our little bet in 2022. Let's hope neither of us succumbs to Covid in the meantime. At least you won't, because it doesn't exist...
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Post by chad on Aug 7, 2020 8:10:18 GMT
I one hundred per cent agree with all of this On a separate issue it is not right the old and middle aged , the retired and about to retire , feel they have some devine right to do this and that , and the young will pay for it for decades to come . They may have guessed right and they may well ' get away with it ' .But it's still completely wrong for them to bill the young for their current behaviour and expect them to foot the bill for decades to come.It is just wrong . There’s a lot of valid points in there and it’s hard to see anything but a massive increase in deaths to cancer to come But it will take a very brave Government to say “ stuff this everything back to normal “. For all it’s faults lockdown and current restrictons reduced the death rate from almost 1000 per day to now below 100. Would just taking off these restrictions and leaving people to make their own choices shoot it back to previous levels. Or are we now all of a mindset on hand washing and masks etc that it could be easily manageable. Tough choices and not one most people would like to take
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 7, 2020 8:21:40 GMT
The Cummings effect: study finds public faith was lost after aide's trip link
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 7, 2020 8:44:41 GMT
The Cummings effect: study finds public faith was lost after aide's trip link It's not rocket science is it. As 99% of people stuck to the rules and even missed loved ones final moments and family funerals, this twat sponsored by his corpulent and corrupt fop haired puppet, stuck two fingers up at them. The message (whether right or wrong) was dead from that moment and the Government then started it's blame game strategy.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 7, 2020 9:09:02 GMT
The Cummings effect: study finds public faith was lost after aide's trip link It's not rocket science is it. As 99% of people stuck to the rules and even missed loved ones final moments and family funerals, this twat sponsored by his corpulent and corrupt fop haired puppet, stuck two fingers up at them. The message (whether right or wrong) was dead from that moment and the Government then started it's blame game strategy. As lots of us pointed out at the time... you don't need to have people on the tv openly saying the reason for their journey/trip/beach day out is because of Cummings (although I saw a few who did) to realise that it was always going to make the young in particular think screw this...
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