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Post by elystokie on Aug 7, 2020 9:12:01 GMT
The Cummings effect: study finds public faith was lost after aide's trip link40,000 people study eh? Like that's any sort of indicator I can assure you everybody else believed Dom
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Post by elystokie on Aug 7, 2020 9:19:12 GMT
It's not rocket science is it. As 99% of people stuck to the rules and even missed loved ones final moments and family funerals, this twat sponsored by his corpulent and corrupt fop haired puppet, stuck two fingers up at them. The message (whether right or wrong) was dead from that moment and the Government then started it's blame game strategy. As lots of us pointed out at the time... you don't need to have people on the tv openly saying the reason for their journey/trip/beach day out is because of Cummings (although I saw a few who did) to realise that it was always going to make the young in particular think screw this... As you say, there was no shortage of people predicting what would happen. They knew exactly what to expect from the public when they announced the promise of a 'lockdown lift' diversion. I can't help but wonder how many people think the fighting would have carried on if it was an actual war. "Yes, I know it's Thursday but we're going to have a cease fire on Monday, if you could just carry on bombing and killing each other until then it would be appreciated"
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 7, 2020 11:04:00 GMT
An interesting article on policy inertia and the risk of not reacting to new evidence. www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-real-covid-19-threatThe key bit from it: "Deaths at home have been almost 40 per cent higher than the number registered with Covid-19 in any other setting in the last six weeks, (4,526 versus 2,799). It is not clear why there is such an excess of deaths in the home but one thing is clear: it is not Covid. Fewer than five per cent of deaths in private homes are due to the virus."
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 7, 2020 11:58:53 GMT
The Cummings effect: study finds public faith was lost after aide's trip link It's not rocket science is it. As 99% of people stuck to the rules and even missed loved ones final moments and family funerals, this twat sponsored by his corpulent and corrupt fop haired puppet, stuck two fingers up at them. The message (whether right or wrong) was dead from that moment and the Government then started it's blame game strategy. it was on bbc website last night that there has been a complaint about a second trip but seems to have disappeared now surprise that !
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Post by Davef on Aug 7, 2020 13:02:45 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 7, 2020 13:06:41 GMT
It seems to me the debate on here goes around in circles. I make a small number of points for the last time 1. There is no comparison between winter flu and Coivd in terms of death. Flu runs its course and COVID required a shut down other wise death would have overwhelmed us. You cant compare death from Covid after a lockdown with unmitigated winter flu...unless you are stupid or want to mislead 2. It doesnt matter how you measure death and if PHE are incompetent its insignificant - Excess deaths dont lie....65,000 according to ONS our gold standard statistical agency 3. Summer is the quite time for the virus...but our lower death level is very very high by European standards . Winter is coming and our lowest level of infection is high compared to others 4. The Government in case you havent noticed it are twitching viably . infections are rising and their own Government Office of Science have projected very bad potential outcomes for the winter- our public health response just isnt good enough Im not going to post on here now until the Winter is done...Look after yourselves, your family and your friends ...and Hopefully we will be back at the Brit in August 2021 Thank you, my wife and I will continue to lock down, certainly as long as our wonderful neighbours continue to look after us. It's not that we are afraid of death, the Lord will take us when our time is up. What we are concerned about is: 5. The Covid 19 virus is very damaging to numerous body organs and does not just kill people, it can lead people permanently damaged and incapacitated. My wife and I deeply love each other and do not want to risk one of us being invalided which could not only ruin their life but also the other one's life as well having to look after them. We also don't want to be a burden to other people, like family. So we feel we should not risk being struck down till a vaccine is available, as with the flu vaccine we take each year. Then God willing we can resume our normal lifestyle.
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Post by Northy on Aug 7, 2020 13:15:43 GMT
The Cummings effect: study finds public faith was lost after aide's trip link40,000 people study eh? Like that's any sort of indicator I can assure you everybody else believed Dom From the Guardian by London students UCL’s Covid-19 Social Study, which has not been peer reviewed ....
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 7, 2020 13:24:31 GMT
totally barmy Also see this on the bbc website: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53695477"However, there is uncertainty around these figures because they are based on modelling a sample of the population and a very small number of positive tests - just 53 people from 53 households over six weeks."
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Post by Northy on Aug 7, 2020 14:02:28 GMT
You are looking at hindsight there, and flu is spread over 6 or 7 months and factored into NHS numbers of beds/staff, this was a new beast that nobody knew anything about, with horrific scenes coming from China and northern Italy (with a direct link to Wuhan via the Chinese fashion workers living near Milan) This was about stopping the NHS being overwhelmed in a very short space of time until we could get knowledge and a grip of it Even so the NHS is no longer overwhelmed, we have some knowledge of it and we do have a good grip on it Yes people should distance if possible and follow good hygiene but we don’t need to be in semi permanent measures Did you see the programme on TV a couple of nights ago about the identical twin doctors (one is seen on TV a fair bit on health programmes) ? In their 40's one of the twins had CV19, had to be flat lined and brought back to get his heart steady, this thing attacks the heart, kidneys, liver, muscles etc. as well, it's not just the lungs, the after affects to a lot of people who aren't over 70 is real, that will take up a lot of NHS time in recovery and rehabilitation
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Post by elystokie on Aug 7, 2020 14:36:15 GMT
40,000 people study eh? Like that's any sort of indicator I can assure you everybody else believed Dom From the Guardian by London students UCL’s Covid-19 Social Study, which has not been peer reviewed .... Yeh, probably make more sense to believe Dom, pure as the driven snow that fella. Just like the rest of this truth loving government 😉
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Post by Davef on Aug 7, 2020 14:46:44 GMT
Please click the link, this is a longish thread.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 7, 2020 14:55:49 GMT
The Cummings effect: study finds public faith was lost after aide's trip link It's not rocket science is it. As 99% of people stuck to the rules and even missed loved ones final moments and family funerals, this twat sponsored by his corpulent and corrupt fop haired puppet, stuck two fingers up at them. The message (whether right or wrong) was dead from that moment and the Government then started it's blame game strategy. For me, this was a positive contribution from Cummings. I'm just amazed that people didn't see it when Mr Lockdown was getting his end away. Whatever your view on the virus stats, it has never been anything other than 'acceptable risk'. As I have been saying for months, the totalitarian measures will destroy more lives. Sturgeon practically wants Martial Law...
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Post by Northy on Aug 7, 2020 15:07:11 GMT
Please click the link, this is a longish thread. Yes, lots of things have been learnt, I've been to Liverpool today for the blood plasma donating test, there were a few in giving plasma
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 7, 2020 15:13:38 GMT
Please click the link, this is a longish thread. Not sure I agree with that, I think lots of us on here noticed that deaths were dropping at a much faster rate than were infections and that the drugs that are now being used have been successful in keeping more people alive once admitted to hospital.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 7, 2020 15:19:24 GMT
Please click the link, this is a longish thread. Interesting thread Dave. Very encouraging. Although when he says "Hospitals are getting better at treating it - much better" because the survival rate has doubled ... how can he be sure, that it is (wholly) due to better hospital treatment? Surely in order to come to this conclusion, he's assuming that the people being admitted now are of exactly the same demographic as those people who were dying at the height of the pandemic. What if the people being admitted now, aren't as sick as the people who were being admitted previously? Even though they require admittance to an ICU, do they, due to maybe being younger and fitter initially, have a better chance of making it out of an ICU anyway? Of course the hospitals will definitely have learned a lot during the course of the pandemic and I'm sure there's no doubt that patients are now surviving who wouldn't have done in April and I'm not saying that he's definitely wrong but to make the claim that simply because more people are making it out of ICU's now, then necessarily means that that is wholly due to better care, is a bit of a leap imo.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 7, 2020 15:37:37 GMT
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Post by Davef on Aug 7, 2020 16:28:22 GMT
Please click the link, this is a longish thread. Interesting thread Dave. Very encouraging. Although when he says "Hospitals are getting better at treating it - much better" because the survival rate has doubled ... how can he be sure, that it is (wholly) due to better hospital treatment? Surely in order to come to this conclusion, he's assuming that the people being admitted now are of exactly the same demographic as those people who were dying at the height of the pandemic. What if the people being admitted now, aren't as sick as the people who were being admitted previously? Even though they require admittance to an ICU, do they, due to maybe being younger and fitter initially, have a better chance of making it out of an ICU anyway? Of course the hospitals will definitely have learned a lot during the course of the pandemic and I'm sure there's no doubt that patients are now surviving who wouldn't have done in April and I'm not saying that he's definitely wrong but to make the claim that simply because more people are making it out of ICU's now, then necessarily means that that is wholly due to better care, is a bit of a leap imo. Yes, you're probably right Paul and that also possibly falls in line with the theory that the very highly susceptible who were spared the relatively mild winter flu season succumbed to the virus at its peak.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 18:57:00 GMT
40,000 people study eh? Like that's any sort of indicator I can assure you everybody else believed Dom From the Guardian by London students UCL’s Covid-19 Social Study, which has not been peer reviewed .... Looking forward to your rigorous research appearing in the Lancet, you Herbert.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 7, 2020 19:27:56 GMT
It seems to me the debate on here goes around in circles. I make a small number of points for the last time 1. There is no comparison between winter flu and Coivd in terms of death. Flu runs its course and COVID required a shut down other wise death would have overwhelmed us. You cant compare death from Covid after a lockdown with unmitigated winter flu...unless you are stupid or want to mislead 2. It doesnt matter how you measure death and if PHE are incompetent its insignificant - Excess deaths dont lie....65,000 according to ONS our gold standard statistical agency 3. Summer is the quite time for the virus...but our lower death level is very very high by European standards . Winter is coming and our lowest level of infection is high compared to others 4. The Government in case you havent noticed it are twitching viably . infections are rising and their own Government Office of Science have projected very bad potential outcomes for the winter- our public health response just isnt good enough Im not going to post on here now until the Winter is done...Look after yourselves, your family and your friends ...and Hopefully we will be back at the Brit in August 2021 Thank you, my wife and I will continue to lock down, certainly as long as our wonderful neighbours continue to look after us. It's not that we are afraid of death, the Lord will take us when our time is up. What we are concerned about is: 5. The Covid 19 virus is very damaging to numerous body organs and does not just kill people, it can lead people permanently damaged and incapacitated. My wife and I deeply love each other and do not want to risk one of us being invalided which could not only ruin their life but also the other one's life as well having to look after them. We also don't want to be a burden to other people, like family. So we feel we should not risk being struck down till a vaccine is available, as with the flu vaccine we take each year. Then God willing we can resume our normal lifestyle. Two lovely posts by durbanscircus and mr coke. It's why I continue to read this thread. Well, I suppose I can add that after sorting the wheat from the chaff, the general tenet of what's right and what's wrong with Covid and its effects is very informative and plain to see on here. It's my 'go to' place to read about stuff. As I say, sort the wheat from the chaff and it's far better than most of the slanted shit the media pump out. Well done chaps. OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 7, 2020 21:01:41 GMT
It's not rocket science is it. As 99% of people stuck to the rules and even missed loved ones final moments and family funerals, this twat sponsored by his corpulent and corrupt fop haired puppet, stuck two fingers up at them. The message (whether right or wrong) was dead from that moment and the Government then started it's blame game strategy. For me, this was a positive contribution from Cummings. I'm just amazed that people didn't see it when Mr Lockdown was getting his end away. Whatever your view on the virus stats, it has never been anything other than 'acceptable risk'. As I have been saying for months, the totalitarian measures will destroy more lives. Sturgeon practically wants Martial Law... I don't massively disagree with you in retrospect but Cummings and associates didn't own it did they. They denied, weaseled, took the piss and laughed at poor people. The only conclusion for me is they believed in the regulations they set but have such a high opinion of themselves that they genuinely thought they were above them. Whether you believe lockdown was necessary or was an exercise in Machiavellian state control, Cummings and Johnson are both a pair of cunts either way.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 8, 2020 5:40:00 GMT
For me, this was a positive contribution from Cummings. I'm just amazed that people didn't see it when Mr Lockdown was getting his end away. Whatever your view on the virus stats, it has never been anything other than 'acceptable risk'. As I have been saying for months, the totalitarian measures will destroy more lives. Sturgeon practically wants Martial Law... I don't massively disagree with you in retrospect but Cummings and associates didn't own it did they. They denied, weaseled, took the piss and laughed at poor people. The only conclusion for me is they believed in the regulations they set but have such a high opinion of themselves that they genuinely thought they were above them. Whether you believe lockdown was necessary or was an exercise in Machiavellian state control, Cummings and Johnson are both a pair of cunts either way. You are right about those pair. But I'm not even sure they've been really making any decisions for months, certainly Johnson hasn't. But he could have done. He could have stood up to this 'following the (corrupt) science' And it seems the folks who are most anti this government are the ones most willing to hand over their rights to them. The government now realise how easy it is to control the bedwetters through hyped fear. The folk afraid of their own shadow would be better off in doors with a large red X painted on it. Leave the rest of us to get on with living. The BBC and the rest of the media have shamelessly peddled this fear, and do not serve the public interest. Forget the totalitarianism, it's never been anything other than acceptable risk. People are in a complete trance over this, as jobs losses, business closures, debt, mental and physical health issues and medical neglect all skyrocket. And rights are stolen. How long will folk let it continue? Once the manipulated covid death figures have been adjusted, we will find that more people have died from these lockdown measures than died of the virus. And these lockdown deaths will further rise as the effects continue. And I'm considered insane for pointing this out months ago, whilst most clamoured for more draconian measures. And they will also willingly accept these disgraceful local lockdowns. I was laughed at for saying any excess deaths were the largely the result of do not resuscitate forms in care homes, leading to passive euthanasia, and the lockdown deaths. Both of these assertions will prove to be correct. My advice is enjoy the sunshine because life is ticking away.
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Post by werrington on Aug 8, 2020 6:38:19 GMT
I don't massively disagree with you in retrospect but Cummings and associates didn't own it did they. They denied, weaseled, took the piss and laughed at poor people. The only conclusion for me is they believed in the regulations they set but have such a high opinion of themselves that they genuinely thought they were above them. Whether you believe lockdown was necessary or was an exercise in Machiavellian state control, Cummings and Johnson are both a pair of cunts either way. You are right about those pair. But I'm not even sure they've been really making any decisions for months, certainly Johnson hasn't. But he could have done. He could have stood up to this 'following the (corrupt) science' And it seems the folks who are most anti this government are the ones most willing to hand over their rights to them. The government now realise how easy it is to control the bedwetters through hyped fear. The folk afraid of their own shadow would be better off in doors with a large red X painted on it. Leave the rest of us to get on with living. Forget the totalitarianism, it's never been anything other than acceptable risk. People are in a complete trance over this, as jobs losses, business closures, debt, mental and physical health issues and medical neglect all skyrocket. And rights are stolen. How long will folk let it continue? My advice is enjoy the sunshine because life is ticking away. Johnson was just a jovial jolly figurehead to win the election He’s not running the show
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Post by Davef on Aug 8, 2020 8:13:29 GMT
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_MichieThis is an interesting one. Susan Michie is a member of the Behavioural Scientific Advisory Group, a subdivision of SAGE. She is also a member of the Independent SAGE. She is a member of the British Communist Party and is married to a former advisor of one Jeremy Corbyn and has publicly declared her loathing of Boris Johnson, particularly before last December's election. She is now among a group which is advising Johnson's Government.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 8, 2020 8:17:43 GMT
I don't massively disagree with you in retrospect but Cummings and associates didn't own it did they. They denied, weaseled, took the piss and laughed at poor people. The only conclusion for me is they believed in the regulations they set but have such a high opinion of themselves that they genuinely thought they were above them. Whether you believe lockdown was necessary or was an exercise in Machiavellian state control, Cummings and Johnson are both a pair of cunts either way. You are right about those pair. But I'm not even sure they've been really making any decisions for months, certainly Johnson hasn't. But he could have done. He could have stood up to this 'following the (corrupt) science' And it seems the folks who are most anti this government are the ones most willing to hand over their rights to them. The government now realise how easy it is to control the bedwetters through hyped fear. The folk afraid of their own shadow would be better off in doors with a large red X painted on it. Leave the rest of us to get on with living. The BBC and the rest of the media have shamelessly peddled this fear, and do not serve the public interest. Forget the totalitarianism, it's never been anything other than acceptable risk. People are in a complete trance over this, as jobs losses, business closures, debt, mental and physical health issues and medical neglect all skyrocket. And rights are stolen. How long will folk let it continue? Once the manipulated covid death figures have been adjusted, we will find that more people have died from these lockdown measures than died of the virus. And these lockdown deaths will further rise as the effects continue. And I'm considered insane for pointing this out months ago, whilst most clamoured for more draconian measures. And they will also willingly accept these disgraceful local lockdowns. I was laughed at for saying any excess deaths were the largely the result of do not resuscitate forms in care homes, leading to passive euthanasia, and the lockdown deaths. Both of these assertions will prove to be correct. My advice is enjoy the sunshine because life is ticking away. The impact of covid on the economy is bad - but the lockdown measures themselves have hardly been a major threat to civil liberties - unless of course being asked to wear a mask to protect others is the end of civilisation as we know it. Also where are all these people living in fear that you speak of? I genuinely don't know anyone living in fear. I know some susceptible people taking extra precautions but the people I pass in the streets (and yes - there are some brave souls have ventured out of their houses - you should try it) seem jolly enough. People have followed the lockdown guidance to keep themselves and others safe - not because they are living in fear. The only one peddling fear is you with your constant drivel about corrupt science, a malevolent cabal of mega rich industrials trying to bring down the very economies that made them rich in the first place, a lying, neutered mainstream media and governments complicit in some evil master plan. If half the things you claim to be true were I should, and would, be terrified - far more terrified than I am of a government asking me to wash my hands more often. Fortunately it's all bollocks. It's all very well you being trapped in a fearful dystopian paranoid fantasy but why inflict it on others?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 8, 2020 8:58:46 GMT
You are right about those pair. But I'm not even sure they've been really making any decisions for months, certainly Johnson hasn't. But he could have done. He could have stood up to this 'following the (corrupt) science' And it seems the folks who are most anti this government are the ones most willing to hand over their rights to them. The government now realise how easy it is to control the bedwetters through hyped fear. The folk afraid of their own shadow would be better off in doors with a large red X painted on it. Leave the rest of us to get on with living. The BBC and the rest of the media have shamelessly peddled this fear, and do not serve the public interest. Forget the totalitarianism, it's never been anything other than acceptable risk. People are in a complete trance over this, as jobs losses, business closures, debt, mental and physical health issues and medical neglect all skyrocket. And rights are stolen. How long will folk let it continue? Once the manipulated covid death figures have been adjusted, we will find that more people have died from these lockdown measures than died of the virus. And these lockdown deaths will further rise as the effects continue. And I'm considered insane for pointing this out months ago, whilst most clamoured for more draconian measures. And they will also willingly accept these disgraceful local lockdowns. I was laughed at for saying any excess deaths were the largely the result of do not resuscitate forms in care homes, leading to passive euthanasia, and the lockdown deaths. Both of these assertions will prove to be correct. My advice is enjoy the sunshine because life is ticking away. The impact of covid on the economy is bad - but the lockdown measures themselves have hardly been a major threat to civil liberties - unless of course being asked to wear a mask to protect others is the end of civilisation as we know it. Also where are all these people living in fear that you speak of? I genuinely don't know anyone living in fear. I know some susceptible people taking extra precautions but the people I pass in the streets (and yes - there are some brave souls have ventured out of their houses - you should try it) seem jolly enough. People have followed the lockdown guidance to keep themselves and others safe - not because they are living in fear. The only one peddling fear is you with your constant drivel about corrupt science, a malevolent cabal of mega rich industrials trying to bring down the very economies that made them rich in the first place, a lying, neutered mainstream media and governments complicit in some evil master plan. If half the things you claim to be true were I should, and would, be terrified - far more terrified than I am of a government asking me to wash my hands more often. Fortunately it's all bollocks. It's all very well you being trapped in a fearful dystopian paranoid fantasy but why inflict it on others? Superb post. Just watch over the forthcoming months as the virus (hopefully) dies away, life returns much more to normal and we all recognise that we've lived through one of the regular global pandemics that hit mankind just how those now claiming it's all 'fake' and 'doesn't add up' and part of a 'dystopian future' based around 'corrupt' science will gradually shift their positions to something like it being a "test run" for future control operations, thereby perpetuating and justifying their conspiracy bollocks instead of accepting the reality.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 8, 2020 9:22:03 GMT
Isn’t the evil master plan to make Rishi Sunak prime minister and to improve Dominic Cummings’ eyesight? Lol!
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Post by starkiller on Aug 8, 2020 10:51:24 GMT
The impact of covid on the economy is bad - but the lockdown measures themselves have hardly been a major threat to civil liberties - unless of course being asked to wear a mask to protect others is the end of civilisation as we know it. Also where are all these people living in fear that you speak of? I genuinely don't know anyone living in fear. I know some susceptible people taking extra precautions but the people I pass in the streets (and yes - there are some brave souls have ventured out of their houses - you should try it) seem jolly enough. People have followed the lockdown guidance to keep themselves and others safe - not because they are living in fear. The only one peddling fear is you with your constant drivel about corrupt science, a malevolent cabal of mega rich industrials trying to bring down the very economies that made them rich in the first place, a lying, neutered mainstream media and governments complicit in some evil master plan. If half the things you claim to be true were I should, and would, be terrified - far more terrified than I am of a government asking me to wash my hands more often. Fortunately it's all bollocks. It's all very well you being trapped in a fearful dystopian paranoid fantasy but why inflict it on others? Superb post. Just watch over the forthcoming months as the virus (hopefully) dies away, life returns much more to normal and we all recognise that we've lived through one of the regular global pandemics that hit mankind just how those now claiming it's all 'fake' and 'doesn't add up' and part of a 'dystopian future' based around 'corrupt' science will gradually shift their positions to something like it being a "test run" for future control operations, thereby perpetuating and justifying their conspiracy bollocks instead of accepting the reality. Well history tells us that hard fought liberties, once handed over, do not easily return. And you've still not explained why a deadly pandemic requires incredible upward number manipulation? Unless, of course, the intention is to maintain a level of fear needed to justify lockdowns and restrictions on liberties. Currently the fifth month of a three-week lockdown, that has never really gone away. That was intended to 'flatten the curve'... And living under a constant threat of local lockdowns, and further restrictions on liberties... It's pretty clear at the moment, for those that are taking notice, when you consider care home deaths and lockdown deaths, that the biggest threat doesn't come from a virus, but from authorities, and those that blindly obey them.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 8, 2020 11:44:09 GMT
Superb post. Just watch over the forthcoming months as the virus (hopefully) dies away, life returns much more to normal and we all recognise that we've lived through one of the regular global pandemics that hit mankind just how those now claiming it's all 'fake' and 'doesn't add up' and part of a 'dystopian future' based around 'corrupt' science will gradually shift their positions to something like it being a "test run" for future control operations, thereby perpetuating and justifying their conspiracy bollocks instead of accepting the reality. Well history tells us that hard fought liberties, once handed over, do not easily return. And you've still not explained why a deadly pandemic requires incredible upward number manipulation? Unless, of course, the intention is to maintain a level of fear needed to justify lockdowns and restrictions on liberties. Currently the fifth month of a three-week lockdown, that has never really gone away. That was intended to 'flatten the curve'... And living under a constant threat of local lockdowns, and further restrictions on liberties... It's pretty clear at the moment, for those that are taking notice, when you consider care home deaths and lockdown deaths, that the biggest threat doesn't come from a virus, but from authorities, and those that blindly obey them. If you are referring to the the UK's figure's being inflated that's easy - it was a cock up on the part of Public Health England in the way they have counted deaths and as soon as the government found out about they ordered an enquiry. As to "incredible" - really? No-one has said how big a cock PHE made so basically you're just making things up to suit your agenda. I don't know of anyone claiming the world wide figures have been inflated - if anything people have been claiming they have been lowered so as not to look so bad. You keep talking about threats and keeping people in fear - but as per my previous post hardly anyone is feeling threatened or fearful - pissed off maybe. If true (and it isn't) this has got to be the crappiest totalitarian takeover ever.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 8, 2020 12:56:30 GMT
Well history tells us that hard fought liberties, once handed over, do not easily return. And you've still not explained why a deadly pandemic requires incredible upward number manipulation? Unless, of course, the intention is to maintain a level of fear needed to justify lockdowns and restrictions on liberties. Currently the fifth month of a three-week lockdown, that has never really gone away. That was intended to 'flatten the curve'... And living under a constant threat of local lockdowns, and further restrictions on liberties... It's pretty clear at the moment, for those that are taking notice, when you consider care home deaths and lockdown deaths, that the biggest threat doesn't come from a virus, but from authorities, and those that blindly obey them. If you are referring to the the UK's figure's being inflated that's easy - it was a cock up on the part of Public Health England in the way they have counted deaths and as soon as the government found out about they ordered an enquiry. As to "incredible" - really? No-one has said how big a cock PHE made so basically you're just making things up to suit your agenda. I don't know of anyone claiming the world wide figures have been inflated - if anything people have been claiming they have been lowered so as not to look so bad. You keep talking about threats and keeping people in fear - but as per my previous post hardly anyone is feeling threatened or fearful - pissed off maybe. If true (and it isn't) this has got to be the crappiest totalitarian takeover ever. Cock up? Labelling unrelated deaths Covid19? You're using mental gymnastics to maintain religious belief bun this narrative. And this is only one of many inconsistencies, absurdities and plotholes.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 8, 2020 13:11:13 GMT
If you are referring to the the UK's figure's being inflated that's easy - it was a cock up on the part of Public Health England in the way they have counted deaths and as soon as the government found out about they ordered an enquiry. As to "incredible" - really? No-one has said how big a cock PHE made so basically you're just making things up to suit your agenda. I don't know of anyone claiming the world wide figures have been inflated - if anything people have been claiming they have been lowered so as not to look so bad. You keep talking about threats and keeping people in fear - but as per my previous post hardly anyone is feeling threatened or fearful - pissed off maybe. If true (and it isn't) this has got to be the crappiest totalitarian takeover ever. Cock up? Labelling unrelated deaths Covid19? You're using mental gymnastics to maintain religious belief bun this narrative. And this is only one of many inconsistencies, absurdities and plotholes. Inconsistency, absurdity and plotholes are the hallmarks of a cock up. If you want to understand the real world think cock up - global conspiracies are really hard to pull off. Except in novels.
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