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Post by Northy on Aug 6, 2020 10:20:39 GMT
You're right, the BBC has already picked up on the Good Law Society's investigation into the dodgy links between shell companies linked to government ministers being awarded contracts worth tens of millions of pounds and the subsequent inability of those companies to supply adequate PPE, so it's not just Huddy pointing this out. In fact, it's currently their lead story. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841But so far your good self and the Witchfinder General Starkiller Hopkins appear to be the prime exponents and defenders of the global virus conspiracy theory! Joking aside, for those of us as yet unconvinced, I'd genuinely like to know if you can explain it in as much detail as possible to the rest of us how it all works? To me it just looks like a new virus has spread through the world's human population in much the same way that many other viruses and bacteria have done previously in our history and, rather than allow many more people to die during the acute phase than have done already and completely overwhelm hospitals to the point of complete collapse, the measures that we have seen have been put in place. Even if you accept that more people will die as a result of not getting cancer treatment for example, you need to explain why this is being done. So, who's done it? Why? To what end? Who will ultimately benefit? What will the endpoint be? How has it been co-ordinated? Why has every country around the world participated, including many who hate each other? I'd be interested to hear yours or Starkiller's explanation of just who's behind it and controlling it and what for. Please try to avoid vagueness like "the globalists" etc. I have not mentioned globalists and I have repeatedly said I dont know what’s going on. But it’s definitely not “JUST” about a new flu like virus. Flu kills thousands in this country every year despite vaccines and and we do nothing. We dont even have a campaign on the small things we can do like hygiene. suddenly a new flu like virus comes on the scene and we stop the world, allow the economy to crash, allow people to die from other illnesses etc etc etc If the virus was that bad and the measures in place had to be held that stringent would all these scientists and politicians of every party have risked breaking the rules as they repeatedly did? Somthing is definitely wrong in this scenario. It always is. Average age of death 80, 95% of deaths were the same as what flu targets. Numbers down as we exit traditional flu season, most people get better, some people don’t even get symptoms The narrative does not match the numbers You are looking at hindsight there, and flu is spread over 6 or 7 months and factored into NHS numbers of beds/staff, this was a new beast that nobody knew anything about, with horrific scenes coming from China and northern Italy (with a direct link to Wuhan via the Chinese fashion workers living near Milan) This was about stopping the NHS being overwhelmed in a very short space of time until we could get knowledge and a grip of it
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 10:40:47 GMT
I have not mentioned globalists and I have repeatedly said I dont know what’s going on. But it’s definitely not “JUST” about a new flu like virus. Flu kills thousands in this country every year despite vaccines and and we do nothing. We dont even have a campaign on the small things we can do like hygiene. suddenly a new flu like virus comes on the scene and we stop the world, allow the economy to crash, allow people to die from other illnesses etc etc etc If the virus was that bad and the measures in place had to be held that stringent would all these scientists and politicians of every party have risked breaking the rules as they repeatedly did? Somthing is definitely wrong in this scenario. It always is. Average age of death 80, 95% of deaths were the same as what flu targets. Numbers down as we exit traditional flu season, most people get better, some people don’t even get symptoms The narrative does not match the numbers You are looking at hindsight there, and flu is spread over 6 or 7 months and factored into NHS numbers of beds/staff, this was a new beast that nobody knew anything about, with horrific scenes coming from China and northern Italy (with a direct link to Wuhan via the Chinese fashion workers living near Milan) This was about stopping the NHS being overwhelmed in a very short space of time until we could get knowledge and a grip of it Even so the NHS is no longer overwhelmed, we have some knowledge of it and we do have a good grip on it Yes people should distance if possible and follow good hygiene but we don’t need to be in semi permanent measures
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 10:59:40 GMT
You're right, the BBC has already picked up on the Good Law Society's investigation into the dodgy links between shell companies linked to government ministers being awarded contracts worth tens of millions of pounds and the subsequent inability of those companies to supply adequate PPE, so it's not just Huddy pointing this out. In fact, it's currently their lead story. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841But so far your good self and the Witchfinder General Starkiller Hopkins appear to be the prime exponents and defenders of the global virus conspiracy theory! Joking aside, for those of us as yet unconvinced, I'd genuinely like to know if you can explain it in as much detail as possible to the rest of us how it all works? To me it just looks like a new virus has spread through the world's human population in much the same way that many other viruses and bacteria have done previously in our history and, rather than allow many more people to die during the acute phase than have done already and completely overwhelm hospitals to the point of complete collapse, the measures that we have seen have been put in place. Even if you accept that more people will die as a result of not getting cancer treatment for example, you need to explain why this is being done. So, who's done it? Why? To what end? Who will ultimately benefit? What will the endpoint be? How has it been co-ordinated? Why has every country around the world participated, including many who hate each other? I'd be interested to hear yours or Starkiller's explanation of just who's behind it and controlling it and what for. Please try to avoid vagueness like "the globalists" etc. I have not mentioned globalists and I have repeatedly said I dont know what’s going on. But it’s definitely not “JUST” about a new flu like virus. Flu kills thousands in this country every year despite vaccines and and we do nothing. We dont even have a campaign on the small things we can do like hygiene. suddenly a new flu like virus comes on the scene and we stop the world, allow the economy to crash, allow people to die from other illnesses etc etc etc If the virus was that bad and the measures in place had to be held that stringent would all these scientists and politicians of every party have risked breaking the rules as they repeatedly did? Somthing is definitely wrong in this scenario. It always is. Average age of death 80, 95% of deaths were the same as what flu targets. Numbers down as we exit traditional flu season, most people get better, some people don’t even get symptoms The narrative does not match the numbers You may not have mentioned 'globalists' but the Grand Wizard of all things conspiratorial has on many occasions, along with it being a 'fake virus', and 'a dystopian future'. You often lend him your support. You repeatedly question the 'narrative' and hint at 'things being wrong' and 'not making sense'. So I ask again, simply for your opinion, you don't need to provide facts or evidence, what do you think is behind all this, if not a genuine virus and genuine attempts to control it in the most effective way (with obviously varying results depending on the ability or otherwise of various governments). You're not short of opinions usually, you must have one on this too. I'm genuinely interested to know.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 11:38:44 GMT
I have not mentioned globalists and I have repeatedly said I dont know what’s going on. But it’s definitely not “JUST” about a new flu like virus. Flu kills thousands in this country every year despite vaccines and and we do nothing. We dont even have a campaign on the small things we can do like hygiene. suddenly a new flu like virus comes on the scene and we stop the world, allow the economy to crash, allow people to die from other illnesses etc etc etc If the virus was that bad and the measures in place had to be held that stringent would all these scientists and politicians of every party have risked breaking the rules as they repeatedly did? Somthing is definitely wrong in this scenario. It always is. Average age of death 80, 95% of deaths were the same as what flu targets. Numbers down as we exit traditional flu season, most people get better, some people don’t even get symptoms The narrative does not match the numbers You may not have mentioned 'globalists' but the Grand Wizard of all things conspiratorial has on many occasions, along with it being a 'fake virus', and 'a dystopian future'. You often lend him your support. You repeatedly question the 'narrative' and hint at 'things being wrong' and 'not making sense'. So I ask again, simply for your opinion, you don't need to provide facts or evidence, what do you think is behind all this, if not a genuine virus and genuine attempts to control it in the most effective way (with obviously varying results depending on the ability or otherwise of various governments). You're not short of opinions usually, you must have one on this too. I'm genuinely interested to know. Masks are there to protect others so we are told so why is the rule not for all? Why are the government doling out contracts with no checks and balances under “covid” Why open drinking pubs which arguably lead to piss heads in stone passing it on more than more sedate indoor places such as sports facilities Why are measures ramped up as numbers go down Why is it doomsday scenario reporting not numbers are down and risk is s as lot lower so be mindful but have confidence to go out Why are non covid direct deaths being reported as covid deaths Why is there a massive risk and talk of impending second wave yet they are dismantling nightingale hospitals Why are people being denied other essential nhs services when some hospitals are empty Lots of questions no answers. He’s a grown man and doesn’t need me to speak fit him but you can take the piss out of starkiller but he’s right on somethings. there seems to be a lot going out that should t be under the auspices of covid. Day after day huddy posts links on the associated corruption day after day davef posts links on the numbers coming down surely the two should t happen at the same time Are we headed to dystopia probably not and I’m not suggesting we are but these things seem to happen gradually with the help of an unknowing population. I’m not comparing this to nazi Germany but hitler did not click his fingers and it happened. He did it slowly with acceptance What I do believe though is somthing is not right about this whole shit show. I find it odd that the opposition is not quite as vocal over covid as they were over other issues such as Brexit sure they let out the odd moan but they really do t seem to be at odds questioning the government as they should be
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Post by maxplonk on Aug 6, 2020 11:53:19 GMT
[/quote]You are looking at hindsight there, and flu is spread over 6 or 7 months and factored into NHS numbers of beds/staff, this was a new beast that nobody knew anything about, with horrific scenes coming from China and northern Italy (with a direct link to Wuhan via the Chinese fashion workers living near Milan) This was about stopping the NHS being overwhelmed in a very short space of time until we could get knowledge and a grip of it[/quote]
A "new beast which nobody knew anything about" and "horrific scenes coming from China and northern Italy": and yet the government was late with a lockdown, was late with testing and tracing (which still doesn't function adequately), was late checking people at ports and airports, built emergency nightingale hospitals which are now apparently being dismantled, farmed the elderly out to care homes without testing them first, gave out contracts for PPE and tracing apps to dubious providers without proper scrutiny, gave out contradictory information on social distancing and wearing masks. And the government is still being led (allegedly) by a PM who couldn't be arsed to turn up to the first half dozen COBRA meetings. Doesn't look much like getting "a grip"!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 11:55:41 GMT
So, just a shitload of questions with no answer at all to the one I asked you. Always the way with those who favour the conspiracy theory. Lots of dropped hints and dark whisperings about agendas and the like, but never explained in depth beyond that about the reasons for it all.
I suspect the answer to most of your questions is incompetence (highly likely) and corruption and favours for friends (quite likely), rather than anything sinister like global population control or the like, but that's maybe the difference in the way we see things. Both of those two (incompetence and corruption) are nothing new for this or any other government, so why some sinister behind the scenes skulduggery needs to be invented is beyond me.
Starkiller never manages to answer either, beyond vague references to 'globalists', 'Marxist infiltration' and 'their agenda' and the like. Shadowy conspiracy goings-on is his default position on every topic, I'd love you to point me in the direction of one of his which has proven to be spot on.
I'll stick to my prediction of people looking back to 2020 from the normality of 2022 and thinking that was unpleasant, glad it's all over. And all the dark-hinting conspiracy theorists will be revising their previous positions.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 12:28:10 GMT
So, just a shitload of questions with no answer at all to the one I asked you. Always the way with those who favour the conspiracy theory. Lots of dropped hints and dark whisperings about agendas and the like, but never explained in depth beyond that about the reasons for it all. I suspect the answer to most of your questions is incompetence (highly likely) and corruption and favours for friends (quite likely), rather than anything sinister like global population control or the like, but that's maybe the difference in the way we see things. Both of those two (incompetence and corruption) are nothing new for this or any other government, so why some sinister behind the scenes skulduggery needs to be invented is beyond me. Starkiller never manages to answer either, beyond vague references to 'globalists', 'Marxist infiltration' and 'their agenda' and the like. Shadowy conspiracy goings-on is his default position on every topic, I'd love you to point me in the direction of one of his which has proven to be spot on. I'll stick to my prediction of people looking back to 2020 from the normality of 2022 and thinking that was unpleasant, glad it's all over. And all the dark-hinting conspiracy theorists will be revising their previous positions. Two years of covid. Jesus wept
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 12:30:35 GMT
So, just a shitload of questions with no answer at all to the one I asked you. Always the way with those who favour the conspiracy theory. Lots of dropped hints and dark whisperings about agendas and the like, but never explained in depth beyond that about the reasons for it all. I suspect the answer to most of your questions is incompetence (highly likely) and corruption and favours for friends (quite likely), rather than anything sinister like global population control or the like, but that's maybe the difference in the way we see things. Both of those two (incompetence and corruption) are nothing new for this or any other government, so why some sinister behind the scenes skulduggery needs to be invented is beyond me. Starkiller never manages to answer either, beyond vague references to 'globalists', 'Marxist infiltration' and 'their agenda' and the like. Shadowy conspiracy goings-on is his default position on every topic, I'd love you to point me in the direction of one of his which has proven to be spot on. I'll stick to my prediction of people looking back to 2020 from the normality of 2022 and thinking that was unpleasant, glad it's all over. And all the dark-hinting conspiracy theorists will be revising their previous positions. Two years of covid. Jesus wept I never said how long it would be going on for. Simply that we will be looking back from the normality of 2022. And that all the conspiracy theorists will have moved onto the next one and pretended they weren't all over Covid conspiracies at the time! Still not prepared to even offer an opinion on who/what is all behind this?
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 6, 2020 12:35:08 GMT
I have always gone work ill, my bosses always go work if they're I'll too. I think there is a lot of pressure from bosses and other people you work with in general which make people go work ill. In the building trade your a bit of a pussy if you don't go work ill and you won't likely be in your job long if you take time off through illness. If your not on your death bed you are expected to work. Some might see soldiering on as being honourable but it's more about keeping your job. Under the current conditions it will likely get worse as people now can't afford to lose money or their job by having time off work. People will go work with Covid19 no doubt about it because they can't afford not to and there will be too much pressure not to. Your bosses are idiots. Stop following their lead and to make sure your rights are respected join a union. Everyone should join a union
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2020 13:10:33 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 6, 2020 13:11:55 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 13:13:58 GMT
Two years of covid. Jesus wept I never said how long it would be going on for. Simply that we will be looking back from the normality of 2022. And that all the conspiracy theorists will have moved onto the next one and pretended they weren't all over Covid conspiracies at the time! Still not prepared to even offer an opinion on who/what is all behind this? No because I dont know. Could be China could be soros and crew could be a 100 things. It’s not right though
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Post by Northy on Aug 6, 2020 13:16:06 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2020 13:34:51 GMT
That's a truly bizarre story!
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Post by Gods on Aug 6, 2020 13:52:32 GMT
Eat out to help out
Anyone else tried the Chancellors post-wave-one-covid attempt to give our towns and restaurants a boost?
Got £17 off a meal for 2 last night (would have been the full £20 for 2 if alcohol counted) and our local town was rammed in all fairness, queues outside several venues.
Happy to take advantage of it and support local business but a bit of you does wonder if it is the best use of non-existent public money when there will shortly be 4 million plus folks on the 'rock'n'roll' if experts are to be believed.
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Post by Gods on Aug 6, 2020 13:54:57 GMT
So, just a shitload of questions with no answer at all to the one I asked you. Always the way with those who favour the conspiracy theory. Lots of dropped hints and dark whisperings about agendas and the like, but never explained in depth beyond that about the reasons for it all. I suspect the answer to most of your questions is incompetence (highly likely) and corruption and favours for friends (quite likely), rather than anything sinister like global population control or the like, but that's maybe the difference in the way we see things. Both of those two (incompetence and corruption) are nothing new for this or any other government, so why some sinister behind the scenes skulduggery needs to be invented is beyond me. Starkiller never manages to answer either, beyond vague references to 'globalists', 'Marxist infiltration' and 'their agenda' and the like. Shadowy conspiracy goings-on is his default position on every topic, I'd love you to point me in the direction of one of his which has proven to be spot on. I'll stick to my prediction of people looking back to 2020 from the normality of 2022 and thinking that was unpleasant, glad it's all over. And all the dark-hinting conspiracy theorists will be revising their previous positions. You're wasting your time with the flat earther's I fear!
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 14:03:00 GMT
So, just a shitload of questions with no answer at all to the one I asked you. Always the way with those who favour the conspiracy theory. Lots of dropped hints and dark whisperings about agendas and the like, but never explained in depth beyond that about the reasons for it all. I suspect the answer to most of your questions is incompetence (highly likely) and corruption and favours for friends (quite likely), rather than anything sinister like global population control or the like, but that's maybe the difference in the way we see things. Both of those two (incompetence and corruption) are nothing new for this or any other government, so why some sinister behind the scenes skulduggery needs to be invented is beyond me. Starkiller never manages to answer either, beyond vague references to 'globalists', 'Marxist infiltration' and 'their agenda' and the like. Shadowy conspiracy goings-on is his default position on every topic, I'd love you to point me in the direction of one of his which has proven to be spot on. I'll stick to my prediction of people looking back to 2020 from the normality of 2022 and thinking that was unpleasant, glad it's all over. And all the dark-hinting conspiracy theorists will be revising their previous positions. You're wasting your time with the flat earther's I fear! You do not have to be a flat earther to see deaths and hospital admissions co Internet down but covid measures going up. The economy in tatters and you can’t see a doctor.
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Post by chad on Aug 6, 2020 14:03:32 GMT
Just been for lunch at The Angel in Knutsford. All social distancing observed , very clean, and staff wearing masks. However no booking in or taking names/ phone numbers. I asked the waitress how they can trace people if there’s an outbreak and she shrugged her shoulders !!!!! No matter what the government do if organisations don’t comply we’re buggered.
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Post by Northy on Aug 6, 2020 14:03:50 GMT
That's a truly bizarre story! I presume they were escaping the local CV19 lockdown restrictions in greater Manchester and heading far away to slaughter a few of wee Jimmies sheep for Eid
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 14:29:22 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 14:47:39 GMT
So, just a shitload of questions with no answer at all to the one I asked you. Always the way with those who favour the conspiracy theory. Lots of dropped hints and dark whisperings about agendas and the like, but never explained in depth beyond that about the reasons for it all. I suspect the answer to most of your questions is incompetence (highly likely) and corruption and favours for friends (quite likely), rather than anything sinister like global population control or the like, but that's maybe the difference in the way we see things. Both of those two (incompetence and corruption) are nothing new for this or any other government, so why some sinister behind the scenes skulduggery needs to be invented is beyond me. Starkiller never manages to answer either, beyond vague references to 'globalists', 'Marxist infiltration' and 'their agenda' and the like. Shadowy conspiracy goings-on is his default position on every topic, I'd love you to point me in the direction of one of his which has proven to be spot on. I'll stick to my prediction of people looking back to 2020 from the normality of 2022 and thinking that was unpleasant, glad it's all over. And all the dark-hinting conspiracy theorists will be revising their previous positions. You're wasting your time with the flat earther's I fear! I guess so! No idea what might be behind it but still prefer to imagine there's some 'controlling hand' engineering it all for nefarious purposes...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 14:58:19 GMT
Just been for lunch at The Angel in Knutsford. All social distancing observed , very clean, and staff wearing masks. However no booking in or taking names/ phone numbers. I asked the waitress how they can trace people if there’s an outbreak and she shrugged her shoulders !!!!! No matter what the government do if organisations don’t comply we’re buggered. !!! My experience was somewhat different. Arrived, scanned QR code (which has no doubt allowed some shadowy force to follow my every movement ), left phone number, had great meal along with everyone else, the place was full, they were turning people away. The only noticeable difference was the waiters and waitresses were wearing masks. Perfectly enjoyable experience. Sunak has got this incentive scheme right.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2020 15:03:46 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 6, 2020 15:15:16 GMT
I read your previous post explaining the rise in cases. I'm still undecided on whether this is attributed to a time lag, an increase in reporting or an improvement in clinical support.
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 6, 2020 15:51:16 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2020 15:52:16 GMT
I read your previous post explaining the rise in cases. I'm still undecided on whether this is attributed to a time lag, an increase in reporting or an improvement in clinical support. I guess it's a combination of factors. There's no doubt that there is far greater testing taking place now in specific areas where you would most likely find the virus, so an increase would be expected but at the same time, it can't be simply a coincidence, that a few days after Super Saturday on July 4th, the number of cases started to rise and has continued to do so, no doubt predominantly now in younger, healthier people, as the death rate continues to fall, as the elderly and the at risk members of society 'keep out of the way' of the virus.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2020 15:59:31 GMT
It's about time that PHE got their act together then and started producing accurate data. It's a national disgrace, that weeks after Hancock said the data collection was going to be reviewed, it still hasn't been sorted. The bare minimum you would expect them to be able to do, is actually be able to produce accurate figures of the numbers dying.
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 6, 2020 16:15:36 GMT
It's about time that PHE got their act together then and started producing accurate data. It's a national disgrace, that weeks after Hancock said the data collection was going to be reviewed, it still hasn't been sorted. The bare minimum you would expect them to be able to do, is actually be able to produce accurate figures of the numbers dying. It is pretty poor isn't it. Without accurate data we're totally blind. PHE's figure might not be far off accurate (I don't know how Spiegelhalter has decided it must be between 15-25 - he shouldn't engage in his own finger-in-the-air predictions if he doesn't know). Unless we're properly measuring what is happening how are we supposed to make sensible policy decisions.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 6, 2020 16:43:24 GMT
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Post by Davef on Aug 6, 2020 17:29:44 GMT
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