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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 6, 2020 1:08:39 GMT
You really are boring, we all know your political views so just give it rest before we all die of boredom instead of Covid. This about incompetence not political parties. I'd respectfully suggest you pipe down. Incompetence only if it's caused by one political party (the one you don't like) And I'll respectfully decline the offer to pipe down.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 6, 2020 1:14:14 GMT
This about incompetence not political parties. I'd respectfully suggest you pipe down. Incompetence only if it's caused by one political party (the one you don't like) And I'll respectfully decline the offer to pipe down. And that's where you're wrong, corruption and incompetence are abhorrent to me, regardless of political persuasion.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 6, 2020 1:16:34 GMT
Incompetence only if it's caused by one political party (the one you don't like) And I'll respectfully decline the offer to pipe down. And that's where you're wrong, corruption and incompetence are abhorrent to me, regardless of political persuasion. You don't fool me Dennis.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 6, 2020 1:20:09 GMT
And that's where you're wrong, corruption and incompetence are abhorrent to me, regardless of political persuasion. You don't fool me Dennis. I don't need to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 3:18:41 GMT
Unless you are very old , you are more likely to die in a car accident than of coronavirus As others have pointed out flu would typically kill 30000 a year in this country , but could be up to 50000 in a bad year It's hard to comprehend the total destruction of our lives and of the economy , in this context . Also , who says young working people want the middle aged and old people to run up billions in furlough debt , to be paid for by young working people for decades to come , after the middle aged and old have taken early retirement or are already retired .Who says young working people in this country want to do this for decades to come ? How do we know they don't want to go to the cinema , football matches ? On holiday ? Go to gigs and concerts and not be saddled by billions in debts ran up by their parents and grandparents ? How do we know this is true ? Are you talking about the US? Because the flu does not typically kill anywhere near 30,000 people a year in the UK. 17/18 was a bad season for and it accounted for just under 27,000 deaths in England that season according to the surveillance modelling (FluMoMo) which includes people who were never tested for flu nor had it on their death certificates. It would probably go above 30k that year when you throw in Scotland, Wales and NI. The ONS figures had flu and respiratory disease at 34% of the excess deaths for the season. The largest individual chunk, but nowhere near 50,000 for a bad year. That year was also compounded by very cold temperatures, the flu vaccine missing the mark that year and strain on the NHS as a result. But there was also a 30% increase in deaths from circulatory diseases that winter compared to non-winter, probably compounded by the bed situation in hospitals. The average number for the past few years is much closer to 10,000 than 30,000. I get your point totally, moving forward we’ve got to find a way through this. I’ve said many times, you can only push it so far before you damage health in many others ways. But the context of flu does need accurately defining too. How many of those flu deaths could be prevented by doing simple stuff that Covid has brought into focus, like actually staying off work if you are ill or not taking public transport? We’re a laissez faire nation when it comes to that. One final thing is that I’d go as far as to say that the flu vaccine is a cautionary tale in why we can’t just rely on one to make things go away. It doesn’t always get the protection up as well as it might and then you can get hit hard. Now flu mutates rapidly compared to Covid but I do not necessarily expect the covid vaccines to be the instant smoking gun when they first come out, it would be foolish to totally rely on that IMO. To be honest I am just using figures I have read off the internet for the UK ! So your figures may be better than mine According to yesterday's The Sun , if you are 26 and English , you are 15 times more likely to die in a car crash , than you are of coronavirus . Again I can't personally account for the figures , but I in general agree with this article ... In the winter of 2014/2015, England on its own lost 28,330 people due to the ’flu, to say nothing of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Neither the Government nor the media batted an eyelid. All businesses and shops remained open, as did schools, restaurants, charities, churches, parks, and everywhere else. Flights continued as normal. No holidays, weddings, or concerts were cancelled. The plans for the General Election, the Olympic Games, the 2016 EU Referendum, and even the Eurovision song contest continued to stay on track. The police were not employing drones to keep us all under effective house arrest. Operations for serious conditions other than the ’flu were not being cancelled. Elderly and sick people could continue to see their doctors. And the economy was not being trashed for the younger generation. In other words, life went on, completely unchanged. 28,330 people died of the ’flu in England alone. 89% of these people were pensioners. But life went on. Coronavirus can kill people , ofcouse it can ...but so can poverty , massive increases in unemployment , weight gain and rising obesity caused by lethargic and bored people not going to work, not going out to the football/ cinema / theatre / gigs etc , boredom accumulated by not socializing with friends and family and not going to work plus cancelling millions of doctors appointments and hospital appointments and changing seeing your doctor in person and being physically examined by your doctor to chatting to him on the phone. Moving forward we have to learn to be honest and say ...some people will die of the flu but we will carry on living life to the full , some people will die in car accidents but we will carry on using cars , some people will die of coronavirus but we will carry on living our lives. The cost of doing the opposite is simply too high And the argument that old people and middle aged people are entitled to ruin the future economy of the young people of this country , because they are retiring soon or have already retired, so let some other mug pay for all this , is just unfair .
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 6, 2020 3:36:49 GMT
Are the media beginning to wake up? Would you go a Stoke match this weekend with 27,000 people in attendance and all the normal pushing and shoving and pissing and drinking?? Honest answer please. No I wouldn't But I'd happily go to my local non league side
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 6, 2020 3:44:51 GMT
Who do 'Contact Tracers'call and what do they say? Well according to some on here not many And thank fuck you've answered the phone your the first bloke I've talked to in ages
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Post by chad on Aug 6, 2020 6:43:19 GMT
The Greyhound Hartshill. Usually just for a tea time pint so never many in Cheers. Just wondered about doggy pubs. Got a puppy at moment and scouting. Live in Wolstanton so may give it a try. 👍 Very dog freindly. Usually two or three dogs in I believe the Whippet Inn is good for dogs as well
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 6:48:46 GMT
Let me assure you, Rishi ain't paying for anything. As for your job, when 12,000 a day are losing theirs, the dry well will soon be affecting you. But you're right about Branson, he's way down the scale and travel industry seems to be of little concern for Globalists. "people socially distanced and clearly using hand sanitiser and served by waiters and waitresses in masks." - you've clearly lost all sense of orientation if you think that describes a good time. Do these nebulous globalists not speak Swedish or Portuguese or did these countries get the elitist domination memo? They're all in on it. Every country. Apparently. Although no-one quite gets round to explaining why a bunch of people who actually control the world's economy and have got very rich from it, now want to destroy the fruits of their own labours for so many years...
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 7:08:14 GMT
Do these nebulous globalists not speak Swedish or Portuguese or did these countries get the elitist domination memo? They're all in on it. Every country. Apparently. Although no-one quite gets round to explaining why a bunch of people who actually control the world's economy and have got very rich from it, now want to destroy the fruits of their own labours for so many years... Because they can? Well huddy is posting link after link after link after link after link after link (I’m fucking bored typing it never mind reading on them) on the corruption this “virus” is causing History suggests people get rich off other peoples misery
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 6, 2020 7:43:00 GMT
Unless you are very old , you are more likely to die in a car accident than of coronavirus As others have pointed out flu would typically kill 30000 a year in this country , but could be up to 50000 in a bad year It's hard to comprehend the total destruction of our lives and of the economy , in this context . Also , who says young working people want the middle aged and old people to run up billions in furlough debt , to be paid for by young working people for decades to come , after the middle aged and old have taken early retirement or are already retired .Who says young working people in this country want to do this for decades to come ? How do we know they don't want to go to the cinema , football matches ? On holiday ? Go to gigs and concerts and not be saddled by billions in debts ran up by their parents and grandparents ? How do we know this is true ? Are you talking about the US? Because the flu does not typically kill anywhere near 30,000 people a year in the UK. 17/18 was a bad season for and it accounted for just under 27,000 deaths in England that season according to the surveillance modelling (FluMoMo) which includes people who were never tested for flu nor had it on their death certificates. It would probably go above 30k that year when you throw in Scotland, Wales and NI. The ONS figures had flu and respiratory disease at 34% of the excess deaths for the season. The largest individual chunk, but nowhere near 50,000 for a bad year. That year was also compounded by very cold temperatures, the flu vaccine missing the mark that year and strain on the NHS as a result. But there was also a 30% increase in deaths from circulatory diseases that winter compared to non-winter, probably compounded by the bed situation in hospitals. The average number for the past few years is much closer to 10,000 than 30,000. I get your point totally, moving forward we’ve got to find a way through this. I’ve said many times, you can only push it so far before you damage health in many others ways. But the context of flu does need accurately defining too. How many of those flu deaths could be prevented by doing simple stuff that Covid has brought into focus, like actually staying off work if you are ill or not taking public transport? We’re a laissez faire nation when it comes to that. One final thing is that I’d go as far as to say that the flu vaccine is a cautionary tale in why we can’t just rely on one to make things go away. It doesn’t always get the protection up as well as it might and then you can get hit hard. Now flu mutates rapidly compared to Covid but I do not necessarily expect the covid vaccines to be the instant smoking gun when they first come out, it would be foolish to totally rely on that IMO. I have always gone work ill, my bosses always go work if they're I'll too. I think there is a lot of pressure from bosses and other people you work with in general which make people go work ill. In the building trade your a bit of a pussy if you don't go work ill and you won't likely be in your job long if you take time off through illness. If your not on your death bed you are expected to work. Some might see soldiering on as being honourable but it's more about keeping your job. Under the current conditions it will likely get worse as people now can't afford to lose money or their job by having time off work. People will go work with Covid19 no doubt about it because they can't afford not to and there will be too much pressure not to.
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 6, 2020 7:59:16 GMT
Are you talking about the US? Because the flu does not typically kill anywhere near 30,000 people a year in the UK. 17/18 was a bad season for and it accounted for just under 27,000 deaths in England that season according to the surveillance modelling (FluMoMo) which includes people who were never tested for flu nor had it on their death certificates. It would probably go above 30k that year when you throw in Scotland, Wales and NI. The ONS figures had flu and respiratory disease at 34% of the excess deaths for the season. The largest individual chunk, but nowhere near 50,000 for a bad year. That year was also compounded by very cold temperatures, the flu vaccine missing the mark that year and strain on the NHS as a result. But there was also a 30% increase in deaths from circulatory diseases that winter compared to non-winter, probably compounded by the bed situation in hospitals. The average number for the past few years is much closer to 10,000 than 30,000. I get your point totally, moving forward we’ve got to find a way through this. I’ve said many times, you can only push it so far before you damage health in many others ways. But the context of flu does need accurately defining too. How many of those flu deaths could be prevented by doing simple stuff that Covid has brought into focus, like actually staying off work if you are ill or not taking public transport? We’re a laissez faire nation when it comes to that. One final thing is that I’d go as far as to say that the flu vaccine is a cautionary tale in why we can’t just rely on one to make things go away. It doesn’t always get the protection up as well as it might and then you can get hit hard. Now flu mutates rapidly compared to Covid but I do not necessarily expect the covid vaccines to be the instant smoking gun when they first come out, it would be foolish to totally rely on that IMO. I have always gone work ill, my bosses always go work if they're I'll too. I think there is a lot of pressure from bosses and other people you work with in general which make people go work ill. In the building trade your a bit of a pussy if you don't go work ill and you won't likely be in your job long if you take time off through illness. If your not on your death bed you are expected to work. Some might see soldiering on as being honourable but it's more about keeping your job. Under the current conditions it will likely get worse as people now can't afford to lose money or their job by having time off work. People will go work with Covid19 no doubt about it because they can't afford not to and there will be too much pressure not to. You'd hope for a lot of office workers at least, who have proven working from home is viable, we could at least say I'm not well so I'll work from home today. On another note we know a doctor in Sweden, and there are some measures in place there. He says he's never felt so well in his life as he's not been seeing all those patients with colds and flu that he would usually constantly be catching bugs from.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2020 7:59:32 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Aug 6, 2020 8:06:29 GMT
It’s like a fucking banana republic. Corrupt Tory fucks I'm sure I read mentions of corruption in Europe somewhere further up this thread. Incredible, just incredible. At least in the EU the cost of the theft is shared between a load of countries. But apparently it's more palatable if it's our own politicians thieving our money off us at source. Fucking hell.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 6, 2020 8:15:30 GMT
Would you go a Stoke match this weekend with 27,000 people in attendance and all the normal pushing and shoving and pissing and drinking?? Honest answer please. No I wouldn't But I'd happily go to my local non league side The North West Counties are not allowing fans to attend friendly matches, think the decision is to be reviewed before the actual season starts. I believe this is on the behest of The FA.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 6, 2020 8:19:13 GMT
No I wouldn't But I'd happily go to my local non league side The North West Counties are not allowing fans to attend friendly matches, think the decision is to be reviewed before the actual season starts. I believe this is on the behest of The FA. Non league wise the key to what will happen will be early mid September when the extra prelim and prelim rounds of the fa cup take place It is simply not viable for non league football to exist without fans
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 6, 2020 8:21:24 GMT
Are you talking about the US? Because the flu does not typically kill anywhere near 30,000 people a year in the UK. 17/18 was a bad season for and it accounted for just under 27,000 deaths in England that season according to the surveillance modelling (FluMoMo) which includes people who were never tested for flu nor had it on their death certificates. It would probably go above 30k that year when you throw in Scotland, Wales and NI. The ONS figures had flu and respiratory disease at 34% of the excess deaths for the season. The largest individual chunk, but nowhere near 50,000 for a bad year. That year was also compounded by very cold temperatures, the flu vaccine missing the mark that year and strain on the NHS as a result. But there was also a 30% increase in deaths from circulatory diseases that winter compared to non-winter, probably compounded by the bed situation in hospitals. The average number for the past few years is much closer to 10,000 than 30,000. I get your point totally, moving forward we’ve got to find a way through this. I’ve said many times, you can only push it so far before you damage health in many others ways. But the context of flu does need accurately defining too. How many of those flu deaths could be prevented by doing simple stuff that Covid has brought into focus, like actually staying off work if you are ill or not taking public transport? We’re a laissez faire nation when it comes to that. One final thing is that I’d go as far as to say that the flu vaccine is a cautionary tale in why we can’t just rely on one to make things go away. It doesn’t always get the protection up as well as it might and then you can get hit hard. Now flu mutates rapidly compared to Covid but I do not necessarily expect the covid vaccines to be the instant smoking gun when they first come out, it would be foolish to totally rely on that IMO. I have always gone work ill, my bosses always go work if they're I'll too. I think there is a lot of pressure from bosses and other people you work with in general which make people go work ill. In the building trade your a bit of a pussy if you don't go work ill and you won't likely be in your job long if you take time off through illness. If your not on your death bed you are expected to work. Some might see soldiering on as being honourable but it's more about keeping your job. Under the current conditions it will likely get worse as people now can't afford to lose money or their job by having time off work. People will go work with Covid19 no doubt about it because they can't afford not to and there will be too much pressure not to. Your bosses are idiots. Stop following their lead and to make sure your rights are respected join a union.
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 6, 2020 8:25:48 GMT
That's exactly what DaveF has been trying to point out for days now. This isn't the start of a 2nd Wave (Yet) it's just the results of better testing than several months ago.
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Post by Davef on Aug 6, 2020 8:31:17 GMT
Are the media beginning to wake up? Would you go a Stoke match this weekend with 27,000 people in attendance and all the normal pushing and shoving and pissing and drinking?? Honest answer please. What an odd question. If I was able to go to a football match with 27,000 people in attendance then the Government would obviously deem that the the risk level was low enough for people's lives to return to normality so yes, of course I'd go, though I'd understand why some people would not want to attend. If I had the opportunity to go to a match as part of a trial exercise, then yes, I'd go.
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 6, 2020 8:32:58 GMT
I have always gone work ill, my bosses always go work if they're I'll too. I think there is a lot of pressure from bosses and other people you work with in general which make people go work ill. In the building trade your a bit of a pussy if you don't go work ill and you won't likely be in your job long if you take time off through illness. If your not on your death bed you are expected to work. Some might see soldiering on as being honourable but it's more about keeping your job. Under the current conditions it will likely get worse as people now can't afford to lose money or their job by having time off work. People will go work with Covid19 no doubt about it because they can't afford not to and there will be too much pressure not to. Your bosses are idiots. Stop following their lead and to make sure your rights are respected join a union. It's completely the norm now, since the government stopped paying SSP it's frowned on to be Ill.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 8:51:49 GMT
They're all in on it. Every country. Apparently. Although no-one quite gets round to explaining why a bunch of people who actually control the world's economy and have got very rich from it, now want to destroy the fruits of their own labours for so many years... Because they can? Well huddy is posting link after link after link after link after link after link (I’m fucking bored typing it never mind reading on them) on the corruption this “virus” is causing History suggests people get rich off other peoples misery You're right, the BBC has already picked up on the Good Law Society's investigation into the dodgy links between shell companies linked to government ministers being awarded contracts worth tens of millions of pounds and the subsequent inability of those companies to supply adequate PPE, so it's not just Huddy pointing this out. In fact, it's currently their lead story. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841But so far your good self and the Witchfinder General Starkiller Hopkins appear to be the prime exponents and defenders of the global virus conspiracy theory! Joking aside, for those of us as yet unconvinced, I'd genuinely like to know if you can explain it in as much detail as possible to the rest of us how it all works? To me it just looks like a new virus has spread through the world's human population in much the same way that many other viruses and bacteria have done previously in our history and, rather than allow many more people to die during the acute phase than have done already and completely overwhelm hospitals to the point of complete collapse, the measures that we have seen have been put in place. Even if you accept that more people will die as a result of not getting cancer treatment for example, you need to explain why this is being done. So, who's done it? Why? To what end? Who will ultimately benefit? What will the endpoint be? How has it been co-ordinated? Why has every country around the world participated, including many who hate each other? I'd be interested to hear yours or Starkiller's explanation of just who's behind it and controlling it and what for. Please try to avoid vagueness like "the globalists" etc.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 6, 2020 9:00:31 GMT
I have always gone work ill, my bosses always go work if they're I'll too. I think there is a lot of pressure from bosses and other people you work with in general which make people go work ill. In the building trade your a bit of a pussy if you don't go work ill and you won't likely be in your job long if you take time off through illness. If your not on your death bed you are expected to work. Some might see soldiering on as being honourable but it's more about keeping your job. Under the current conditions it will likely get worse as people now can't afford to lose money or their job by having time off work. People will go work with Covid19 no doubt about it because they can't afford not to and there will be too much pressure not to. Your bosses are idiots. Stop following their lead and to make sure your rights are respected join a union. It's been the same everywhere I have been, unless you are physically too ill to work then you go work. Workers have very little rights, one way or another if your boss wants you gone they will get rid of you or make you uncomfortable enough to quit. To my knowledge people who are part of unions are not wanted by businesses, made outcasts at times and generally looked down on. If you have time off every time your ill you're generally classed as a piss taker not just by your bosses but by your work colleagues too. It might be wrong but that's how it is.
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Post by Gods on Aug 6, 2020 9:06:02 GMT
Apparently once positive test rates get very low then false positives play an increasing important role.
I suppose this is not hard to imagine.
You could perhaps sustain a 1% (1000 positives per 100,000 tests) positive test rate based on false positives alone.
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 6, 2020 9:06:07 GMT
Safety concerns halt use of 50 million NHS masks link
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 6, 2020 9:12:17 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 6, 2020 9:18:08 GMT
Does that take into account they were classing 1 persons test as 2/3 though a few months back? In theory the number of tests would be 3 times higher than they should have been compared to positive cases. Do they still count tests the same way? If so then the data is correct, but the government manipulated the data earlier in the pandemic which might have an effect on the real numbers.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2020 9:23:54 GMT
Does that take into account they were classing 1 persons test as 2/3 though a few months back? In theory the number of tests would be 3 times higher than they should have been compared to positive cases. Do they still count tests the same way? If so then the data is correct, but the government manipulated the data earlier in the pandemic which might have an effect on the real numbers. We don't know the answer to that because they simply won't tell us how many people are actually being tested and it appears that that isn't likely to change. However, there is no question that they are testing far more vigorously in specific areas where they are more likely to find positive cases.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 6, 2020 9:31:04 GMT
I did point out on 3rd April that for masks to be effective to protect an individual they have to form a tight seal on the face and need to be "face-fitted". This is the rule in industry where people can be exposed to toxic fume. (Such as on coke ovens) Masks that tie around the head need to be tied very tightly, masks that simply loop around the ears are not inherently tight enough (unless you have very stiff ears!). Those types of mask offer limited protection for the user, and are really only suitable to stop breath droplets being projected by the user into the air, which may be OK in certain circumstances like in shops and on public transport, but not to protect health workers potentially exposed to a dangerous atmosphere in their jobs. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6770509/thread
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2020 9:38:41 GMT
Because they can? Well huddy is posting link after link after link after link after link after link (I’m fucking bored typing it never mind reading on them) on the corruption this “virus” is causing History suggests people get rich off other peoples misery You're right, the BBC has already picked up on the Good Law Society's investigation into the dodgy links between shell companies linked to government ministers being awarded contracts worth tens of millions of pounds and the subsequent inability of those companies to supply adequate PPE, so it's not just Huddy pointing this out. In fact, it's currently their lead story. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841But so far your good self and the Witchfinder General Starkiller Hopkins appear to be the prime exponents and defenders of the global virus conspiracy theory! Joking aside, for those of us as yet unconvinced, I'd genuinely like to know if you can explain it in as much detail as possible to the rest of us how it all works? To me it just looks like a new virus has spread through the world's human population in much the same way that many other viruses and bacteria have done previously in our history and, rather than allow many more people to die during the acute phase than have done already and completely overwhelm hospitals to the point of complete collapse, the measures that we have seen have been put in place. Even if you accept that more people will die as a result of not getting cancer treatment for example, you need to explain why this is being done. So, who's done it? Why? To what end? Who will ultimately benefit? What will the endpoint be? How has it been co-ordinated? Why has every country around the world participated, including many who hate each other? I'd be interested to hear yours or Starkiller's explanation of just who's behind it and controlling it and what for. Please try to avoid vagueness like "the globalists" etc. I have not mentioned globalists and I have repeatedly said I dont know what’s going on. But it’s definitely not “JUST” about a new flu like virus. Flu kills thousands in this country every year despite vaccines and and we do nothing. We dont even have a campaign on the small things we can do like hygiene. suddenly a new flu like virus comes on the scene and we stop the world, allow the economy to crash, allow people to die from other illnesses etc etc etc If the virus was that bad and the measures in place had to be held that stringent would all these scientists and politicians of every party have risked breaking the rules as they repeatedly did? Somthing is definitely wrong in this scenario. It always is. Average age of death 80, 95% of deaths were the same as what flu targets. Numbers down as we exit traditional flu season, most people get better, some people don’t even get symptoms The narrative does not match the numbers
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 6, 2020 9:40:03 GMT
Does that take into account they were classing 1 persons test as 2/3 though a few months back? In theory the number of tests would be 3 times higher than they should have been compared to positive cases. Do they still count tests the same way? If so then the data is correct, but the government manipulated the data earlier in the pandemic which might have an effect on the real numbers. We don't know the answer to that because they simply won't tell us how many people are actually being tested and it appears that that isn't likely to change. However, there is no question that they are testing far more vigorously in specific areas where they are more likely to find positive cases. I think it's too hard to compare and a lot of mistakes which were made early on so it's probably better we focus on what's happening now with a greater knowledge of how to control it. The government are starting to get a grip now and confidence is slowly creeping back. Like you say testing is up, they are taking action much quicker too and it's now about managing the virus through winter which will be a huge test.
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