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Post by adri2008 on Jul 14, 2020 11:43:19 GMT
I don’t think masks are the answer for seasonal flu, but I do think we could knock a couple of thousand deaths of the annual flu total by reappraising our habits when it comes to working when ill. I count both employers and employees in that statement. That and generally improving our national hygiene which 5 minutes in the bet365 bogs will show you there is a lot of room for. There was a study a few years at a service station showing just 32% of men and 60% of women washing hands after using the toilet. That is disgusting. Washing my hands is part and parcel of going to the toilet for me to such a degree that it feels very wrong not to do so. I thought this sort of thing was hammered into all of us as children but clearly not.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 14, 2020 12:28:27 GMT
I don’t think masks are the answer for seasonal flu, but I do think we could knock a couple of thousand deaths of the annual flu total by reappraising our habits when it comes to working when ill. I count both employers and employees in that statement. That and generally improving our national hygiene which 5 minutes in the bet365 bogs will show you there is a lot of room for. There was a study a few years at a service station showing just 32% of men and 60% of women washing hands after using the toilet. That is disgusting. Washing my hands is part and parcel of going to the toilet for me to such a degree that it feels very wrong not to do so. I thought this sort of thing was hammered into all of us as children but clearly not. Annoys me that I wash my hands but then have to pull the door open that some dirty twat's hands have touched. Automatic doors please.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2020 12:32:44 GMT
This kind of shows my rants against density being used as an excuse early on. It’s not about density, it’s about overcrowding and living conditions. You can have a tower with a massive density but 2 people living in each flat and it’s fine. You could have 200 people living in a square mile but in a caravan of 6 in squalor and you have issues. Blaming density was and is too simplistic.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 14, 2020 12:45:22 GMT
Looks far better than some of the mess decks I've seen on a Royal Navy ship Quite right, there's plenty of space for 6 plus their kit in there, we'd have had 3 bunks either side.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Jul 14, 2020 13:46:00 GMT
In New York we went to masks Apr 16th. At that time I thought a) I don't need to as I was completely self isolated so no threat to anyone and b) where do I get a mask when the hospitals can't get them. Someone on this board actually posted they were on eBay and they were right. A few days later 50 masks arrived and I've not left the house without wearing one since.
What did change is a relaxed feeling of going out my daily business knowing I was at least somewhat protected from others who could be asymptomatic. Trips to the grocery store were no longer the most terrifying 20 minutes of my week. Other people don't have to worry about me if they have to get within 6 feet of me indoors. Mask compliance here I would estimate at close to 90% outdoors on the street, 100% indoors other than at home.
As noted before NY has seen a massive decline solely from behavioral change whilst other states FL, GA, TX etc are going backwards dramatically thanks to a completely inept ideology. There is simply no reason to not wear a mask in the UK to the same degree as here in NY.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 14, 2020 14:26:38 GMT
In New York we went to masks Apr 16th. At that time I thought a) I don't need to as I was completely self isolated so no threat to anyone and b) where do I get a mask when the hospitals can't get them. Someone on this board actually posted they were on eBay and they were right. A few days later 50 masks arrived and I've not left the house without wearing one since. What did change is a relaxed feeling of going out my daily business knowing I was at least somewhat protected from others who could be asymptomatic. Trips to the grocery store were no longer the most terrifying 20 minutes of my week. Other people don't have to worry about me if they have to get within 6 feet of me indoors. Mask compliance here I would estimate at close to 90% outdoors on the street, 100% indoors other than at home. As noted before NY has seen a massive decline solely from behavioral change whilst other states FL, GA, TX etc are going backwards dramatically thanks to a completely inept ideology. There is simply no reason to not wear a mask in the UK to the same degree as here in NY. The attitude to wearing masks in Western countries is so different to the East. In the UK and the US it's all about personal freedom and protecting yourself from others who may infect you. In the east it's viewed first and foremost as protecting others in case you are ill and you just do it because it's the socially responsible thing to do. Very different deep rooted cultural attitudes.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 14, 2020 15:00:34 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jul 14, 2020 15:11:34 GMT
What is it with us English that we can't go out of an evening without climbing on a car?
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Post by chad on Jul 14, 2020 15:24:51 GMT
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Post by chad on Jul 14, 2020 15:25:46 GMT
Washing my hands is part and parcel of going to the toilet for me to such a degree that it feels very wrong not to do so. I thought this sort of thing was hammered into all of us as children but clearly not. Annoys me that I wash my hands but then have to pull the door open that some dirty twat's hands have touched. Automatic doors please. Hopefully not on the shithouse. Could be embarrassing
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Post by salopstick on Jul 14, 2020 16:19:16 GMT
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said it would "give people more confidence to shop safely and enhance protections for those who work in shops".
Children under 11 and those with certain disabilities will be exempt.
Mr Hancock told the Commons: "The death rate of sales and retail assistants is 75% higher amongst men and 60% higher amongst women than in the general population."
Here’s the bollocks:
The new rule will not apply to retail staff.
To me this smacks of the media moaning when we are getting lockdown then moaning when we are coming out of it. This seems to be very media and opposition driven
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2020 16:30:53 GMT
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said it would "give people more confidence to shop safely and enhance protections for those who work in shops". Children under 11 and those with certain disabilities will be exempt. Mr Hancock told the Commons: "The death rate of sales and retail assistants is 75% higher amongst men and 60% higher amongst women than in the general population." Here’s the bollocks: The new rule will not apply to retail staff. To me this smacks of the media moaning when we are getting lockdown then moaning when we are coming out of it. This seems to be very media and opposition driven So govern and lead then. That's what they're elected to do. Stop allowing the media and opposition to tell you what to do, if that's the case. Useless clowns just fucking winging it!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 14, 2020 16:31:25 GMT
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Post by chad on Jul 14, 2020 16:32:19 GMT
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said it would "give people more confidence to shop safely and enhance protections for those who work in shops". Children under 11 and those with certain disabilities will be exempt. Mr Hancock told the Commons: "The death rate of sales and retail assistants is 75% higher amongst men and 60% higher amongst women than in the general population." Here’s the bollocks: The new rule will not apply to retail staff. To me this smacks of the media moaning when we are getting lockdown then moaning when we are coming out of it. This seems to be very media and opposition driven It’s not bollocks. If the customers wear them it will stop them spreading it to the staff. Simples
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Post by Davef on Jul 14, 2020 16:36:30 GMT
372 positive cases in England
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 14, 2020 16:40:12 GMT
372 positive cases in England Are the new infections usually all of the UK?
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Post by Davef on Jul 14, 2020 16:43:20 GMT
372 positive cases in England Are the new infections usually all of the UK? 398 in the whole of the U.K.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 14, 2020 16:45:11 GMT
Are the new infections usually all of the UK? 398 in the whole of the U.K. Thats the lowest it’s been for a long while isn’t it🤔
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Post by henry on Jul 14, 2020 16:47:04 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 14, 2020 16:54:44 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jul 14, 2020 17:10:40 GMT
398 in the whole of the U.K. Thats the lowest it’s been for a long while isn’t it🤔 There were 352 on July 6th mate.
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Post by Davef on Jul 14, 2020 17:12:21 GMT
Zero cases in Stoke-on-Trent and Newcastle-under-Lyme for the fourth consecutive day and 21 in total over the last week.
10 in Cheshire East and 4 in Stafford over the last seven days.
Don't worry, I'll keep you updated with the good news even if our local media can't be arsed.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2020 17:20:58 GMT
398 in the whole of the U.K. Thats the lowest it’s been for a long while isn’t it🤔 Lowest it's been on a 'normal' day for months Mutters, probably since lock down began.
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Post by leicspotter on Jul 14, 2020 17:47:47 GMT
Seen some posts RE masks and why don’t we do it for flu etc. There are various reasons you could put down but it got me thinking about just how laissez faire this nation is when it comes to public health. The easiest, most efficient and least impactful public health intervention for dealing with seasonal flu would be case isolation, and not going anywhere for a couple of days if you have symptoms. How many of us “soldier” on when we gave a “cold” despite feeling like crap? How many of us have to go into work when we feel this way, how many of us get public transport in order to do so etc. You’d never dream of visiting an elderly relative when you felt this way, so why is it commonly acceptable to go to work and such when you are infectious? Because ultimately, that’s where it ends up. I don’t think masks are the answer for seasonal flu, but I do think we could knock a couple of thousand deaths of the annual flu total by reappraising our habits when it comes to working when ill. I count both employers and employees in that statement. That and generally improving our national hygiene which 5 minutes in the bet365 bogs will show you there is a lot of room for. There was a study a few years at a service station showing just 32% of men and 60% of women washing hands after using the toilet. That is disgusting. My missus has spent nigh on 30 years as a child care practitioner. They teach the kids to wash their hands every time they use the toilet, yet regularly see parents fail to do so, even after changing nappies...incredible
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 14, 2020 17:59:20 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2020 18:58:17 GMT
"Blackburn and Darwen council has urged anyone to get tested for COVID-19 - even if they have no symptoms." Eh? 🤔
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 14, 2020 19:10:09 GMT
Getting closer to us. I mentioned this over weekend. Pendle, which is my area, will seemingly be next.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 14, 2020 19:11:21 GMT
"Blackburn and Darwen council has urged anyone to get tested for COVID-19 - even if they have no symptoms." Eh? 🤔 That will be commonplace in such areas. They've set up a centre at Witton Park and we have another at Burnley FC.
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Post by Davef on Jul 14, 2020 19:41:44 GMT
Getting closer to us. I mentioned this over weekend. Pendle, which is my area, will seemingly be next. Blackburn with Darwen and Pendle have had just one case between them over the past two days and Ribble Valley have had one case in the last week, so they're hopefully heading in the right direction.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2020 19:49:11 GMT
"Blackburn and Darwen council has urged anyone to get tested for COVID-19 - even if they have no symptoms." Eh? 🤔 That will be commonplace in such areas. They've set up a centre at Witton Park and we have another at Burnley FC. That quote suggests that they are urging EVERYBODY to get tested, even if they have no symptoms. Really?
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