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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 14, 2020 19:53:35 GMT
That will be commonplace in such areas. They've set up a centre at Witton Park and we have another at Burnley FC. That quote suggests that they are urging EVERYBODY to get tested, even if they have no symptoms. Really? They are yes. Trying to get a steer on how prevalent the virus may be among the community. I think such an approach will be fairly commonplace in "problem" areas. Doing nothing for local race relations either as they are fairly openly saying that the spread of the virus is being caused by multi-generation Asian families living in predominantly terraced housing.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 14, 2020 19:58:07 GMT
Getting closer to us. I mentioned this over weekend. Pendle, which is my area, will seemingly be next. Blackburn with Darwen and Pendle have had just one case between them over the past two days and Ribble Valley have had one case in the last week, so they're hopefully heading in the right direction. Absolutely. I don't really get it but apparently Pendle has 67 infections per 100,000 and is the 2nd fastest growing number of infections in the country. Even the local MP has commented on it and the Blackburn and Darwen area made the national BBC news this evening. In terms of total number of infections we have nowhere near as many as Leicester when they were forced into local lockdown and we are actually pretty low when compared with many areas. Confusing to say the least.
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 14, 2020 20:34:57 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jul 14, 2020 21:58:41 GMT
So pretty much confirmation that it's not about the science and all about giving people confidence to get back out onto the High Street.
And why would it be about the science? The Government's advisers were telling us masks were of little use at the height of the pandemic.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 14, 2020 23:28:33 GMT
Zero cases in Stoke-on-Trent and Newcastle-under-Lyme for the fourth consecutive day and 21 in total over the last week. 10 in Cheshire East and 4 in Stafford over the last seven days. Don't worry, I'll keep you updated with the good news even if our local media can't be arsed. Love that mate. Careful though, the fake news brigade will want your head on a stick 😉 #defundthebbc
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2020 23:42:43 GMT
So pretty much confirmation that it's not about the science and all about giving people confidence to get back out onto the High Street. And why would it be about the science? The Government's advisers were telling us masks were of little use at the height of the pandemic. Do you know what Dave, I really don't think the public are listening one way or the other now. They've had so much mixed messaging coming from the government, that they've just simply given up trying to work it out anymore.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 15, 2020 5:41:02 GMT
That quote suggests that they are urging EVERYBODY to get tested, even if they have no symptoms. Really? They are yes. Trying to get a steer on how prevalent the virus may be among the community. I think such an approach will be fairly commonplace in "problem" areas. Doing nothing for local race relations either as they are fairly openly saying that the spread of the virus is being caused by multi-generation Asian families living in predominantly terraced housing. If the data they have says the growth in the virus is coming from one particular group - whether that is ethnic, geographic, whatever - surely that needs to be in the public domain and appropriate action taken.
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Post by richie22 on Jul 15, 2020 6:16:10 GMT
They are yes. Trying to get a steer on how prevalent the virus may be among the community. I think such an approach will be fairly commonplace in "problem" areas. Doing nothing for local race relations either as they are fairly openly saying that the spread of the virus is being caused by multi-generation Asian families living in predominantly terraced housing. If the data they have says the growth in the virus is coming from one particular group - whether that is ethnic, geographic, whatever - surely that needs to be in the public domain and appropriate action taken. I’m sorry, please Don’t mistake me for a racist loon, I’m not .... but there does seem to be a lot of tip-toe around the growth areas of this virus.... the Asian community of Leicester ( it was noted to be centered around the east - massive Asian community ) Blackburn, Rochdale etc need to wake up, they need to act themselves. It’s not fair for people to be running around blaming every but them... the Asians have a sense of community that we Could only dream of take a look around our own local hubs for example... they’re running around like nothing is untoward, granted so to the rest of the uk but they’ve never stopped doing any of that. Arrogance
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2020 7:24:40 GMT
Seen some posts RE masks and why don’t we do it for flu etc. There are various reasons you could put down but it got me thinking about just how laissez faire this nation is when it comes to public health. The easiest, most efficient and least impactful public health intervention for dealing with seasonal flu would be case isolation, and not going anywhere for a couple of days if you have symptoms. How many of us “soldier” on when we gave a “cold” despite feeling like crap? How many of us have to go into work when we feel this way, how many of us get public transport in order to do so etc. You’d never dream of visiting an elderly relative when you felt this way, so why is it commonly acceptable to go to work and such when you are infectious? Because ultimately, that’s where it ends up. I don’t think masks are the answer for seasonal flu, but I do think we could knock a couple of thousand deaths of the annual flu total by reappraising our habits when it comes to working when ill. I count both employers and employees in that statement. That and generally improving our national hygiene which 5 minutes in the bet365 bogs will show you there is a lot of room for. There was a study a few years at a service station showing just 32% of men and 60% of women washing hands after using the toilet. That is disgusting. I think a lot of that attitude is a hangover from the old working practices of not turning up = no pay. I realise that this doesn't apply to salaried people any more and there is statutory sick pay as a minimum, but I see it a lot, especially in the older generation who will force themselves into work, no doubt infecting many other people as they do. It doesn't help when the media will often focus on 'sickies', how much time and productivity is lost due to sickness per year etc instead of the benefits of effectively isolating yourself from your colleagues when ill. There is still a lot of 'presentee-ism' apparent in our working environment, which hopefully all this working from home will help to reduce. I'm sure we all know of people who are 'present' all the time but do fuck all at work! Being present does not guarantee productivity! I can see why the Bluffer wanted everyone to go back to their offices - the lack of workers in towns is killing small businesses, coffee shops, sandwich places etc, but it doesn't help with this kind of thing.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 15, 2020 8:03:51 GMT
Seen some posts RE masks and why don’t we do it for flu etc. There are various reasons you could put down but it got me thinking about just how laissez faire this nation is when it comes to public health. The easiest, most efficient and least impactful public health intervention for dealing with seasonal flu would be case isolation, and not going anywhere for a couple of days if you have symptoms. How many of us “soldier” on when we gave a “cold” despite feeling like crap? How many of us have to go into work when we feel this way, how many of us get public transport in order to do so etc. You’d never dream of visiting an elderly relative when you felt this way, so why is it commonly acceptable to go to work and such when you are infectious? Because ultimately, that’s where it ends up. I don’t think masks are the answer for seasonal flu, but I do think we could knock a couple of thousand deaths of the annual flu total by reappraising our habits when it comes to working when ill. I count both employers and employees in that statement. That and generally improving our national hygiene which 5 minutes in the bet365 bogs will show you there is a lot of room for. There was a study a few years at a service station showing just 32% of men and 60% of women washing hands after using the toilet. That is disgusting. I think a lot of that attitude is a hangover from the old working practices of not turning up = no pay. I realise that this doesn't apply to salaried people any more and there is statutory sick pay as a minimum, but I see it a lot, especially in the older generation who will force themselves into work, no doubt infecting many other people as they do. It doesn't help when the media will often focus on 'sickies', how much time and productivity is lost due to sickness per year etc instead of the benefits of effectively isolating yourself from your colleagues when ill. There is still a lot of 'presentee-ism' apparent in our working environment, which hopefully all this working from home will help to reduce. I'm sure we all know of people who are 'present' all the time but do fuck all at work! Being present does not guarantee productivity! I can see why the Bluffer wanted everyone to go back to their offices - the lack of workers in towns is killing small businesses, coffee shops, sandwich places etc, but it doesn't help with this kind of thing. Didn't Easyjet say they would be taking absence into account when deciding on who to make redundant? The clear message therefore is "We expect you to turn up even if you're unwell (...and if you spread what you've got to colleagues or customers well that's too bad)".
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 15, 2020 8:14:39 GMT
So pretty much confirmation that it's not about the science and all about giving people confidence to get back out onto the High Street. And why would it be about the science? The Government's advisers were telling us masks were of little use at the height of the pandemic. Do you know what Dave, I really don't think the public are listening one way or the other now. They've had so much mixed messaging coming from the government, that they've just simply given up trying to work it out anymore. A lot of consumerism is about choice (not all - we all need to eat) and habit. While a fair few have been gagging to get back because they can't live without a new pair of trainers - and would queue naked - never mind without a mask - in order to get them there are also a fair few who've realised in lockdown there's a lot of stuff they can simply do without or make last longer - and free up a lot of time in the process. It will take a lot more than masks and a temporary VAT cut to get them back.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 15, 2020 10:54:13 GMT
I think a lot of that attitude is a hangover from the old working practices of not turning up = no pay. I realise that this doesn't apply to salaried people any more and there is statutory sick pay as a minimum, but I see it a lot, especially in the older generation who will force themselves into work, no doubt infecting many other people as they do. It doesn't help when the media will often focus on 'sickies', how much time and productivity is lost due to sickness per year etc instead of the benefits of effectively isolating yourself from your colleagues when ill. There is still a lot of 'presentee-ism' apparent in our working environment, which hopefully all this working from home will help to reduce. I'm sure we all know of people who are 'present' all the time but do fuck all at work! Being present does not guarantee productivity! I can see why the Bluffer wanted everyone to go back to their offices - the lack of workers in towns is killing small businesses, coffee shops, sandwich places etc, but it doesn't help with this kind of thing. Didn't Easyjet say they would be taking absence into account when deciding on who to make redundant? The clear message therefore is "We expect you to turn up even if you're unwell (...and if you spread what you've got to colleagues or customers well that's too bad)". The problem is that a lot of companies use the Bradford Score as the basis of disciplinary action against employees. Basically you are okay with one sickness absence in 12 months, but, more than that the "score" goes up exponentially. Ideally in a well run company the causes of absence should be reviewed to differentiate between "Hangover Monday" and other illnesses or issues and action taken or support given as appropriate. Unfortunately there seem to be an increasing number of companies (especially non-unionised ones) that apply their disciplinary rules without any such consideration. It is therefore no wonder that people turn up for work when they really shouldn't.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2020 11:44:29 GMT
Do you know what Dave, I really don't think the public are listening one way or the other now. They've had so much mixed messaging coming from the government, that they've just simply given up trying to work it out anymore. A lot of consumerism is about choice (not all - we all need to eat) and habit. While a fair few have been gagging to get back because they can't live without a new pair of trainers - and would queue naked - never mind without a mask - in order to get them there are also a fair few who've realised in lockdown there's a lot of stuff they can simply do without or make last longer - and free up a lot of time in the process. It will take a lot more than masks and a temporary VAT cut to get them back. Completely agree. It's quite incredible (and not a little depressing) just how much our economy is utterly dependent on us as consumers buying stuff - quite often stuff we simply don't need. Obviously, this doesn't apply to everyone, especially those who've lost their jobs or been furloughed on lower pay, but there is a lot of evidence that a fair proportion of people will come out of this with some nice savings having been made and healthier bank balances. Most of which comes from less commuting cost, less socialising and less buying unneeded stuff.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 15, 2020 13:03:59 GMT
Good grief....
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 15, 2020 13:37:29 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 15, 2020 13:41:40 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 15, 2020 15:30:26 GMT
The natives are revolting...
Boris Johnson was facing a growing rebellion from Tory ministers and MPs last night over the "unenforceable" decision to make face coverings mandatory in shops.
One minister described the new law as "daft" and said it made "no sense", while MPs suggested it would discourage the public from going to shops. Some Conservative Party members posted pictures on social media of cutting up membership cards with the hashtag "no masks".
Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, said yesterday the decision had the support of businesses, saying it would increase consumer confidence.
But one minister told the DT, "You shouldn't pass laws that are unenforceable. What are the police going to do? They say they don't want to be responsible for enforcing it and that brings the law into disrepute". A former Cabinet minister said: "The real danger of this is it will frighten even more people away from shops".
Francis Hoar, a Conservative supporting barrister posted a photo on social media of his party card cut in two. He wrote: "It may only be one straw but there comes a point where any association with this government must end. This is not only the most incompetent government of my lifetime, it is the most authoritarian. It is not remotely conservative".
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 15, 2020 16:12:23 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 15, 2020 16:15:06 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 15, 2020 19:16:51 GMT
A law to make masks compulsory in shops is just plain crazy. It's unenforceable and makes a mockery of the law. The only way it can work is if shops decide themselves on whether or not to allow customers in without a mask. They have the right to set their own rules.
OS.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2020 19:27:54 GMT
Sturgeon has a point a point about banning the English.....
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 15, 2020 19:43:40 GMT
Sturgeon has a point a point about banning the English..... Maybe she can ban the Barnett formula whilst she is at it!
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 15, 2020 19:54:12 GMT
A law to make masks compulsory in shops is just plain crazy. It's unenforceable and makes a mockery of the law. The only way it can work is if shops decide themselves on whether or not to allow customers in without a mask. They have the right to set their own rules. OS. You could say a lot of laws are unenforceable, I seem to remember seatbelts and drink driving being described in the same way. Laws often compel, they are enforced by society as a whole not by police. If you leave it up to individual shops then you are opening them up to law suits for people who claim to have caught the virus in a shop that doesn't follow the rule. I really don't see the problem with wearing a face covering in a shop. What is your problem with it?
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Post by Boothen on Jul 15, 2020 20:48:52 GMT
A friend of mine is starting to panic now. She's deaf and relies on reading lips, up until now she's managed to just get by but seeing as how she works in a shop and everyone will now have to wear a mask in shops she's screwed. Apparently if you rely on lip reading you don't have to wear a mask on public transport and they reckon the same exemptions will be in place for this, but I don't think they've thought this one through because how do you read lips if everyone else is wearing a mask?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 15, 2020 20:51:30 GMT
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Post by musik on Jul 16, 2020 0:58:21 GMT
Strange to talk about all those different symptoms everywhere. It seems it can be ANY symptom now???
Stomach. Nerves. Skin. Brain.
Not just typical flu or cold symptoms. These can be absent. Weird. How do they know that? Tested everyone with a different symptom and found them positive?
Someone said yesterday that everyone with small or no symptoms of Corona, but tested positive, will get very sick sometime in the future or perhaps even die of it, when the invasion of their bodies are complete.
It would mean hundreds of millions dead people in the world.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 16, 2020 6:19:27 GMT
It’s still getting worse, or resurging, in many countries.
Is that a sign of things to come here?
You’ve got to think there is a good chance.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 16, 2020 7:28:12 GMT
At least they're consistent with their confused mixed messaging!
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Post by thanksjon on Jul 16, 2020 9:59:13 GMT
Just to give a perspective of someone living in Ireland;We have been gradually reopening but we have had to slow that down because of a rise in the R number in the last week.Mask are mandatory on public transport but that is pretty much unenforceable. We have the death rate down to 1 and 2s and the new cases averaging 15 a day.The real problem here is anyone from anywhere can fly in to the country and there are no real checks in the airport.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 16, 2020 10:27:27 GMT
A law to make masks compulsory in shops is just plain crazy. It's unenforceable and makes a mockery of the law. The only way it can work is if shops decide themselves on whether or not to allow customers in without a mask. They have the right to set their own rules. OS. The death rates from Covid in the US is currently 400 per million and 600 per million in the UK - both have implemented lockdowns and both are ambiguous about face masks. The death rate in Japan - where they haven't implemented a lockdown is 7 per million but everyone wears face mask with very little enforcement. In the US and the UK wearing face masks has become an enforcement and spurious civil liberties issue and most of the argument is about the effectiveness for the person wearing the mask. In Japan and other countries in the east there is more of a respect for the common good, the wearing of a mask is seen as protecting others rather than yourself and they wear them without complaint because they respect their neighbours. We've killed nearly 100 times the numbers of our fellow countrymen than Japan because we're a bunch of selfish bastards living in a society that puts self interest before the common good. To many people outside the western libertarian bubble we look like a bunch of egotistical barbarians prepared to endanger each other rather than do something that is for the most part mildly irritating and inconvenient. As Gandhi said when asked what he thought of Western Civilisation - yes it would be a good idea.
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