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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2020 8:27:12 GMT
Would he be that arsed if he did get sacked. He's got his insurance premium.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 27, 2020 8:40:41 GMT
Would he be that arsed if he did get sacked. He's got his insurance premium. You need to get over it
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 27, 2020 9:00:21 GMT
If Lambert was then definitely yes how could he not be Lambert was a failure because he had all the tools to stay up, and quite frankly we should have done.
He could easily have played a solid enough 4231 with the players we had, just as Hughes should have done.
He didn't, he played negative football with minimal goals and not being able to hold a lead. Any premier league team that thinks 'I know, we're struggling against relegation, but I think we should hire Paul pissing Lambert' needs bloody shooting.
MON was given a bunch of overpaid and quite frankly, disgustingly bad footballers who picked up 8pts in 15 games. How he's turned the ship around the way he has is unbelievable. He's got the right tactics now nailed down, Tyrese on a new contract, Collins, Thibaud and NGoy receiving game time, stability. I could never say that under Jones. Ever.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2020 9:32:52 GMT
Would he be that arsed if he did get sacked. He's got his insurance premium. You need to get over it It's all gone a bit quiet since 'it's only for the play offs' hasn't it. Seem like he wants his cake and eat it. It's pathetic. If we get relegated and he's spent 10 days in March and the Summer doing another job he can fuck off back to Scotland with a mug tree up his shit pipe for me. Although the way the club is run suggests otherwise we aren't in fact an amateur outfit!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 27, 2020 9:34:27 GMT
You need to get over it It's all gone a bit quiet since 'it's only for the play offs' hasn't it. Seem like he wants his cake and eat it. It's pathetic. If we get relegated and he's spent 10 days in March and the Summer doing another job he can fuck off back to Scotland with a mug tree up his shit pipe for me. Although the way the club is run suggests otherwise we aren't in fact an amateur outfit! It really doesn't bother me tbh. I think he's done a magnificent job.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2020 9:39:58 GMT
It's all gone a bit quiet since 'it's only for the play offs' hasn't it. Seem like he wants his cake and eat it. It's pathetic. If we get relegated and he's spent 10 days in March and the Summer doing another job he can fuck off back to Scotland with a mug tree up his shit pipe for me. Although the way the club is run suggests otherwise we aren't in fact an amateur outfit! It really doesn't bother me tbh. I think he's done a magnificent job. 7/10 job for me and after the cretin that went before him that's a very good effort, I agree. I wish he'd commit properly or just say that March is it and that's that. It makes us look incredibly small time otherwise.
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Feb 27, 2020 11:54:23 GMT
Because he’s done such a good job to get us where we are now, the wheels will have to come off again for us to go down (which I’m sure we won’t) so yes, to get relegated from here would be a failure.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 27, 2020 12:21:22 GMT
Because he’s done such a good job to get us where we are now, the wheels will have to come off again for us to go down (which I’m sure we won’t) so yes, to get relegated from here would be a failure. The wheels coming off wouldn't necessarily be down to him though?
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Post by gawa on Feb 27, 2020 12:49:47 GMT
It really doesn't bother me tbh. I think he's done a magnificent job. 7/10 job for me and after the cretin that went before him that's a very good effort, I agree. I wish he'd commit properly or just say that March is it and that's that. It makes us look incredibly small time otherwise. Being on 8 points after 15 games in the championship does make you small time. No other manager of Michael's quality would of touched you.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2020 13:09:45 GMT
7/10 job for me and after the cretin that went before him that's a very good effort, I agree. I wish he'd commit properly or just say that March is it and that's that. It makes us look incredibly small time otherwise. Being on 8 points after 15 games in the championship does make you small time. No other manager of Michael's quality would of touched you. Yeah the poisoned chalice of billionaire owners eh? Northern Ireland not sorting their shit out makes you small time as well. Just replace the manager you've lost to a bigger and better job.
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Post by gawa on Feb 27, 2020 13:35:36 GMT
Being on 8 points after 15 games in the championship does make you small time. No other manager of Michael's quality would of touched you. Yeah the poisoned chalice of billionaire owners eh? Northern Ireland not sorting their shit out makes you small time as well. Just replace the manager you've lost to a bigger and better job. I know we are small time, we aren't denying that. You're the one that's being deluded about Stoke, thinking that a club on 8 points after 15 games in the English second teir makes you big time or an attractive proposition. There are much bigger clubs in much better positions who have had managers manage international clubs at the same time. Michael's commitments to Northern Ireland are yet to have any impact on Stokes campaign. But maybe Stoke should of went for another manager of Nathan's Jones quality and faced inevitable relegation. At least you'd have peace of mind that you don't look 'small time' and could look forward to a season in league one not having to worry about how small you may look.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2020 13:48:45 GMT
Yeah the poisoned chalice of billionaire owners eh? Northern Ireland not sorting their shit out makes you small time as well. Just replace the manager you've lost to a bigger and better job. I know we are small time, we aren't denying that. You're the one that's being deluded about Stoke, thinking that a club on 8 points after 15 games in the English second teir makes you big time or an attractive proposition. There are much bigger clubs in much better positions who have had managers manage international clubs at the same time. Michael's commitments to Northern Ireland are yet to have any impact on Stokes campaign. But maybe Stoke should of went for another manager of Nathan's Jones quality and faced inevitable relegation. At least you'd have peace of mind that you don't look 'small time' and could look forward to a season in league one not having to worry about how small you may look. Thanks for your interest in Stoke City. Its charming. 157 years of managers. Most of them shit, some of them great, all of them full time until now.
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Post by gawa on Feb 27, 2020 14:14:12 GMT
I know we are small time, we aren't denying that. You're the one that's being deluded about Stoke, thinking that a club on 8 points after 15 games in the English second teir makes you big time or an attractive proposition. There are much bigger clubs in much better positions who have had managers manage international clubs at the same time. Michael's commitments to Northern Ireland are yet to have any impact on Stokes campaign. But maybe Stoke should of went for another manager of Nathan's Jones quality and faced inevitable relegation. At least you'd have peace of mind that you don't look 'small time' and could look forward to a season in league one not having to worry about how small you may look. Thanks for your interest in Stoke City. Its charming. 157 years of managers. Most of them shit, some of them great, all of them full time until now. I can assure you that they weren't all full time considering Stoke City weren't professional until 1885. Hopefully through having a manager with international duties you don't become as small as CSKA Moscow, Barcelona, AZ Alkmaar, Galatasaray, Aberdeen and Chelsea. That would be devastating. Personally I think Stoke should sack O'Neil and bring back Jones because of the devastating impact his Northern Ireland role has had on the club.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2020 14:26:12 GMT
Thanks for your interest in Stoke City. Its charming. 157 years of managers. Most of them shit, some of them great, all of them full time until now. I can assure you that they weren't all full time considering Stoke City weren't professional until 1885. Hopefully through having a manager with international duties you don't become as small as CSKA Moscow, Barcelona, AZ Alkmaar, Galatasaray, Aberdeen and Chelsea. That would be devastating. Personally I think Stoke should sack O'Neil and bring back Jones because of the devastating impact his Northern Ireland role has had on the club. I get you love the man but you're not a Stoke fan, you're an O'Neil fan and you telling me what's good and bad for my club carries all the weight of a nun's fart. When do you think he'll give up the NI job? In March, come what may, like we were told when he joined?
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 27, 2020 15:31:37 GMT
The title of the thread reads as if your whispering the O and shouting the Neill🤣
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 27, 2020 15:33:46 GMT
I know we are small time, we aren't denying that. You're the one that's being deluded about Stoke, thinking that a club on 8 points after 15 games in the English second teir makes you big time or an attractive proposition. There are much bigger clubs in much better positions who have had managers manage international clubs at the same time. Michael's commitments to Northern Ireland are yet to have any impact on Stokes campaign. But maybe Stoke should of went for another manager of Nathan's Jones quality and faced inevitable relegation. At least you'd have peace of mind that you don't look 'small time' and could look forward to a season in league one not having to worry about how small you may look. Thanks for your interest in Stoke City. Its charming. 157 years of managers. Most of them shit, some of them great, all of them full time until now. I really dont understand your objection to MON continuing to manage NI. It doesnt make us look small time at all, if anything having an international manager could be seen as a positive thing. Come back and have a hissy fit if and when his northern Ireland commitments have a detrimental effect on his ability to manage Stoke City.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2020 15:41:37 GMT
Thanks for your interest in Stoke City. Its charming. 157 years of managers. Most of them shit, some of them great, all of them full time until now. I really dont understand your objection to MON continuing to manage NI. It doesnt make us look small time at all, if anything having an international manager could be seen as a positive thing. Come back and have a hissy fit if and when his northern Ireland commitments have a detrimental effect on his ability to manage Stoke City. Yeah that's why all serious football clubs do it all of the time.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 27, 2020 15:42:11 GMT
Would he be that arsed if he did get sacked. He's got his insurance premium. I've always said if we go down there's fuck all chance he'll be with us next season, and it likely won't be down to us.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 27, 2020 15:43:46 GMT
Thanks for your interest in Stoke City. Its charming. 157 years of managers. Most of them shit, some of them great, all of them full time until now. I really dont understand your objection to MON continuing to manage NI. It doesnt make us look small time at all, if anything having an international manager could be seen as a positive thing. Come back and have a hissy fit if and when his northern Ireland commitments have a detrimental effect on his ability to manage Stoke City. Does being completely absent from a position for two weeks have a detrimental effect on your ability to perform it do you think?
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Post by georgieboy52 on Feb 27, 2020 15:50:16 GMT
If we go down ? Given what a mess this club was in when he came in, would he be seen as a failure if we did get relegated ? Does MON really give a shit either way ? He's on big money regardless is he not ? Stoke will stay up but MON won't take us any higher than that.
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 27, 2020 15:57:35 GMT
If we go down ? Given what a mess this club was in when he came in, would he be seen as a failure if we did get relegated ? Does MON really give a shit either way ? He's on big money regardless is he not ? Stoke will stay up but MON won't take us any higher than that. Of course he gives a shit...its his job and career, he’s not solely motivated by money and he definitely wouldn’t want a relegation in his 1st role as a club manager at this level, berserk to think otherwise🙄
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Post by georgieboy52 on Feb 27, 2020 16:00:45 GMT
Does MON really give a shit either way ? He's on big money regardless is he not ? Stoke will stay up but MON won't take us any higher than that. Of course he gives a shit...its his job and career, he’s not solely motivated by money and he definitely wouldn’t want a relegation in his 1st role as a club manager at this level, berserk to think otherwise🙄 As naive as that are you ? Do me a favour.
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 27, 2020 16:03:35 GMT
Of course he gives a shit...its his job and career, he’s not solely motivated by money and he definitely wouldn’t want a relegation in his 1st role as a club manager at this level, berserk to think otherwise🙄 As naive as that are you ? Do me a favour. Your suggesting i’m naive while your also suggesting he won’t give a shit if we get relegated🤦🏼♂️🤣🤣🤣
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Post by georgieboy52 on Feb 27, 2020 16:05:50 GMT
As naive as that are you ? Do me a favour. Your suggesting i’m naive while your also suggesting he won’t give a shit if we get relegated🤦🏼♂️🤣🤣🤣 Both could be true I think so in your case.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Feb 27, 2020 16:11:26 GMT
Quick wit isn't that good on the oatcake it seems to me.
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Post by gawa on Feb 27, 2020 16:12:27 GMT
I can assure you that they weren't all full time considering Stoke City weren't professional until 1885. Hopefully through having a manager with international duties you don't become as small as CSKA Moscow, Barcelona, AZ Alkmaar, Galatasaray, Aberdeen and Chelsea. That would be devastating. Personally I think Stoke should sack O'Neil and bring back Jones because of the devastating impact his Northern Ireland role has had on the club. I get you love the man but you're not a Stoke fan, you're an O'Neil fan and you telling me what's good and bad for my club carries all the weight of a nun's fart. When do you think he'll give up the NI job? In March, come what may, like we were told when he joined? I honestly don't know, I think the issue is more with the IFA dragging their heels rather than Michael seeing it as some sort of insurance policy. I think O'Neil has already done enough this season to be an attractive proposition for clubs in the championship so he certainly doesn't need NI as an insurance policy. I'd also be happy for Michael if he was to leave his role today to focus on Stoke 100%. I really want him to be successful in his role and get stoke back into the premiership. I don't feel you can hold this against Michael O'Neil though. You should be blaming stokes board who came to the agreement if it's such an issue for you, not the manager who signed the contract with these terms.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2020 16:21:46 GMT
I get you love the man but you're not a Stoke fan, you're an O'Neil fan and you telling me what's good and bad for my club carries all the weight of a nun's fart. When do you think he'll give up the NI job? In March, come what may, like we were told when he joined? I I don't feel you can hold this against Michael O'Neil though. You should be blaming stokes board who came Oh I do fella! I think O'Neil is having his cake and eating it to a degree but my ire is almost entirely towards those who 'run' our football club!
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Post by march4 on Feb 27, 2020 17:12:15 GMT
If we go down ? Given what a mess this club was in when he came in, would he be seen as a failure if we did get relegated ? Of course he would. However we won’t go down as he has turned things round.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 27, 2020 17:28:32 GMT
If we go down ? Given what a mess this club was in when he came in, would he be seen as a failure if we did get relegated ? Yes he will have failed in the objective he was given and committed to, which was to keep us up. As did Lambert. But a failure as a manager, I think not. What he has achieved so far is little less than a miracle and he has improved his reputation, no matter what happens. He took over a basket case of a squad and he has got them winning games and scoring goals, as we haven't seen since we finished 9th in the Prem. 9 out of 10 teams bottom at Christmas get relegated, so 9 out of 10 managers fail in those circumstances. It follows that relegation, should it still happen, would in no way be a stain on his reputation. Most club owners will see what he has done at Stoke these last few months and will have marked their cards for the future, if the appropriate circumstances arose. If he does keep us up, we will be hard pressed to keep him. I could see the next Premier League club in danger of relegation seriously considering him a candidate to get them out of the mire. Who would blame him being tempted away to a West Ham, Newcastle, or Southampton for example if they were in danger of relegation from the Prem. next season and came knocking.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 28, 2020 19:47:05 GMT
I can assure you that they weren't all full time considering Stoke City weren't professional until 1885. Hopefully through having a manager with international duties you don't become as small as CSKA Moscow, Barcelona, AZ Alkmaar, Galatasaray, Aberdeen and Chelsea. That would be devastating. Personally I think Stoke should sack O'Neil and bring back Jones because of the devastating impact his Northern Ireland role has had on the club. I get you love the man but you're not a Stoke fan, you're an O'Neil fan and you telling me what's good and bad for my club carries all the weight of a nun's fart. When do you think he'll give up the NI job? In March, come what may, like we were told when he joined? Moan Moan, how the heck an you still peddle this line of shit? MON has done a fantastic job with the same bunch of players that you were saying you couldn't see where the next win was coming from. Just to clarify, If MON had been in charge from day 1 and collected points at the same rate he has, we'd be on about 59 points right now. Would you have preferred us to go for someone else just because the man wants to spend 1 international break working (just as international players do) rather than sitting at home playing FM to get some ideas on recruitment? Know when to give up on a lost cause.
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