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Post by macarisredarmy on Feb 28, 2020 20:01:56 GMT
Look at the form table since MON came in. Inherited an absolute pile of shite attitude squad and has got a tune out of them, has shipped out the ones that don't want to play for us.
Failure - absolutely not.
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Post by neddy on Feb 28, 2020 20:08:42 GMT
I think he has done really well but I fear further injuries and particularly red card suspensions....
We just need the remaining squad intact for the run in!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 28, 2020 20:19:02 GMT
I get you love the man but you're not a Stoke fan, you're an O'Neil fan and you telling me what's good and bad for my club carries all the weight of a nun's fart. When do you think he'll give up the NI job? In March, come what may, like we were told when he joined? Moan Moan, how the heck an you still peddle this line of shit? MON has done a fantastic job with the same bunch of players that you were saying you couldn't see where the next win was coming from. Just to clarify, If MON had been in charge from day 1 and collected points at the same rate he has, we'd be on about 59 points right now. Would you have preferred us to go for someone else just because the man wants to spend 1 international break working (just as international players do) rather than sitting at home playing FM to get some ideas on recruitment? Know when to give up on a lost cause. You mean discuss things on a message board, you daft happy clapping tart? |
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 29, 2020 0:53:32 GMT
Moan Moan, how the heck an you still peddle this line of shit? MON has done a fantastic job with the same bunch of players that you were saying you couldn't see where the next win was coming from. Just to clarify, If MON had been in charge from day 1 and collected points at the same rate he has, we'd be on about 59 points right now. Would you have preferred us to go for someone else just because the man wants to spend 1 international break working (just as international players do) rather than sitting at home playing FM to get some ideas on recruitment? Know when to give up on a lost cause. You mean discuss things on a message board, you daft happy clapping tart? No, discussion is great, it's just when you keep pushing the same absolutely disproved concept that MON is in some way damaging the club, it becomes peddling the same old line of shit, you moldy moanbag. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 29, 2020 1:00:15 GMT
You mean discuss things on a message board, you daft happy clapping tart? No, discussion is great, it's just when you keep pushing the same absolutely disproved concept that MON is in some way damaging the club, it becomes peddling the same old line of shit, you moldy moanbag. You'd clap a shit on your doorstep you buffoon. |
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 29, 2020 1:45:54 GMT
As far as I'm concerned if we go down the previous manager(s) will bear significantly more blame than MoN. Jones in particular was an utter disaster zone.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 29, 2020 3:33:34 GMT
No, discussion is great, it's just when you keep pushing the same absolutely disproved concept that MON is in some way damaging the club, it becomes peddling the same old line of shit, you moldy moanbag. You'd clap a shit on your doorstep you buffoon. Rather that, than spout shit out my mouth like you. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 3:55:16 GMT
I think any manager who is in charge for an appropriate amount of time and gets relegated is a failure. However, 100% confident we'll stay up and think the fact that O'Neill dug us out of the mess it would appear to me that he'd failed after that if we were to go down but in no way would not want him in charge next season. I think that makes sense. We've picked 1.5 points up per game I think it is since he's come in and I get that panic is setting in re other teams in form but not all will continue their spurt of wins and we just need to do what we've been doing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 29, 2020 8:44:58 GMT
You'd clap a shit on your doorstep you buffoon. Rather that, than spout shit out my mouth like you. Just on my way to Kenilworth road mate. What you up to today? |
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 1, 2020 17:08:18 GMT
Last time we got relegated the question was often asked "did Lambert have enough games to save us? Yes or no?".
So, if the same applies, then MON will be seen as a failure if we go down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 17:16:16 GMT
It would of course be massively disappointing if we we’re relegated.
But the question then would them be “do you trust MON to get us straight back up with his own team and a full pre-season, or would you risk us recruiting someone new to start again?”
I know which option if prefer......
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Post by gawa on Mar 1, 2020 17:50:03 GMT
Last time we got relegated the question was often asked "did Lambert have enough games to save us? Yes or no?". So, if the same applies, then MON will be seen as a failure if we go down. Difference being that lambert took over when you were 2 points above the relegation zone. Quite a contrast. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 17:51:31 GMT
If his recent negativity recedes us back deep into the mire then yes, every inch a failure.
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Post by soccerhq on Mar 2, 2020 20:42:38 GMT
He'd be incredibly unlucky.
His first game was the 16th of the season at Barnsley.
Twenty more since then. He has collected 31 points in 20 games! Over a full season that's not far off top 6 and far better points ratio than what Rowett was doing aswell.
Ultimately it will be the ridiculously poor start to the season that will be a big cause of relegation. You're always playing catch up when you start with 2 points from first 10 games and indeed 8 points from 15 games which he inherited.
That and Wigan and to a lesser extent Barnsley coming from pretty much certain relegation to looking decent bets to stay up now (Luton have a very tough run in so don't see them making it).
Ultimately the next 5 will decide things. O'Neill has also been pretty good at winning the home relegation six pointers so far beating Wigan, Luton and Charlton so far.
Compare that to Lambert coming in with half a season left and not winning a game after his debut until the final game at Swansea when it was pointless and it's quite a contrast.
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Post by walton corner on Mar 2, 2020 20:44:49 GMT
Yes he would 90 + points to play for ..had a transfer
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 2, 2020 20:51:44 GMT
He's performed a miracle even getting us to the position we're in.
If we go down this year (I still don't think we will) then there's only one manager to blame.
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Post by ibby on Mar 2, 2020 21:00:11 GMT
He's performed a miracle even getting us to the position we're in. If we go down this year (I still don't think we will) then there's only one manager to blame. Nathan Jones? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 21:00:50 GMT
He's performed a miracle even getting us to the position we're in. If we go down this year (I still don't think we will) then there's only one manager to blame. Alan Curbishley? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 21:01:28 GMT
It depends totally on the situation as a whole.
He took over a complete shit show and has performed miracles in getting us to where we are, however continuing with the negativity of the last two away games would surely put some blame at his door?
If he doesn't and we get some rotten luck with injuries, dodgy decisions etc then surely he will be virtually blame free?
So far the Chester signing has been a disaster. He's been at fault for two very important goals against that have changed the course of a game and cost us points.
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Post by zerps on Mar 2, 2020 21:02:54 GMT
I think we’ll go down, because somehow, something castrated our entire squad. Not a pair between the lot of them.
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Post by zerps on Mar 2, 2020 21:03:17 GMT
If we go down mon has failed btw.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 2, 2020 21:40:02 GMT
If we go down 95% of the blame will be down to Jones IMO. He should have been sacked after the Birmingham game and had the change in managers happened at that point we would more than likely be in a far better position now.
The delay in sacking Jones could cost us big time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 22:04:24 GMT
We have gained points on the following since MON's arrival:
Reading +4
Huddersfield +5
Hull City +12
Wigan Athletic +6
Charlton Athletic +14
Middlesbrough +6
Barnsley +6
Luton Town +11
The only teams above us in the league since he joined are:
Leeds Utd (2nd)
Fulham (3rd)
West Brom (1st)
Brentford (5th)
Nottm Forest (4th)
Blackburn (8th)
Millwall (10th)
I think we should all take a deep breath, and realise we have a manager over the next 10 games who is calm and considered, and whose record at the club to date is better than arguably all of us would have predicted with this squad of players. In MON we trust.....
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Post by Davef on Mar 2, 2020 22:19:31 GMT
We have gained points on the following since MON's arrival: Reading +4 Huddersfield +5 Hull City +12 Wigan Athletic +6 Charlton Athletic +14 Middlesbrough +6 Barnsley +6 Luton Town +11 The only teams above us in the league since he joined are: Leeds Utd (2nd) Fulham (3rd) West Brom (1st) Brentford (5th) Nottm Forest (4th) Blackburn (8th) Millwall (10th) I think we should all take a deep breath, and realise we have a manager over the next 10 games who is calm and considered, and whose record at the club to date is better than arguably all of us would have predicted with this squad of players. In MON we trust..... And the fact that we're just one point above the relegation zone shows what an absolute state we were in when he took over. Some of our fans have the memory of a goldfish. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 2, 2020 22:28:19 GMT
We have gained points on the following since MON's arrival: Reading +4 Huddersfield +5 Hull City +12 Wigan Athletic +6 Charlton Athletic +14 Middlesbrough +6 Barnsley +6 Luton Town +11 The only teams above us in the league since he joined are: Leeds Utd (2nd) Fulham (3rd) West Brom (1st) Brentford (5th) Nottm Forest (4th) Blackburn (8th) Millwall (10th) I think we should all take a deep breath, and realise we have a manager over the next 10 games who is calm and considered, and whose record at the club to date is better than arguably all of us would have predicted with this squad of players. In MON we trust..... And the fact that we're just one point above the relegation zone shows what an absolute state we were in when he took over. Some of our fans have the memory of a goldfish. I’ll go fully with your first sentence. Perhaps a little latitude with your second sentence is required, perhaps nerves, of which I can fully understand. I’ve got fingers crossed hoping (a) we survive and (b) the club really gets it arse in gear and in the summer and January gives MON a realistic chance to drastically change our fortunes next season. |
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Post by skelman on Mar 2, 2020 22:44:52 GMT
We have gained points on the following since MON's arrival: Reading +4 Huddersfield +5 Hull City +12 Wigan Athletic +6 Charlton Athletic +14 Middlesbrough +6 Barnsley +6 Luton Town +11 The only teams above us in the league since he joined are: Leeds Utd (2nd) Fulham (3rd) West Brom (1st) Brentford (5th) Nottm Forest (4th) Blackburn (8th) Millwall (10th) I think we should all take a deep breath, and realise we have a manager over the next 10 games who is calm and considered, and whose record at the club to date is better than arguably all of us would have predicted with this squad of players. In MON we trust..... M’ON has worked wonders to get any sort of a tune out of this squad following what’s gone on over the last 2 1/2 years. He is the best of the last 5 managers to have gnats of a chance to steer us through this and keep us up! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 15:47:26 GMT
I really dont understand your objection to MON continuing to manage NI. It doesnt make us look small time at all, if anything having an international manager could be seen as a positive thing. Come back and have a hissy fit if and when his northern Ireland commitments have a detrimental effect on his ability to manage Stoke City. Yeah that's why all serious football clubs do it all of the time. ... there aren't enough international managers to go round ... |
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Post by gawa on Mar 7, 2020 21:58:50 GMT
If the season started when O'Neil took over stoke would be:
9 points off top
1 point off the playoffs
13 points above relegation
They'd also have the 5th best gold difference in the league.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Mar 7, 2020 22:03:13 GMT
It's such a bizarre second half of the season down the bottom of this league. Any normal season, our form would be enough to see us way safe in mid table, if not higher. Teams around us keep picking up points at such an unprecedented rate that if we do go down we'll be massively unfortunate. MON has done very little wrong.
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