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Post by stokefanone on Feb 23, 2020 16:03:31 GMT
After 19 games in charge, I think O'neil is showing the credentials to take us out of the doldrums.
He has taken a team of misfits and overpaid primadonna's, who could'nt be arsed to do any more than go through the motions
and shaken up to produce a team with an almost 50% win rate and decent goal scoring stats.
A manager who can produce this level of success, with a team so lacking in any confidence or intention, with no notable additions of his own,
reflects an excellent motivator of players.
I would also like to point out that the most successful managers achieve in the region of 50% win ratio through out their careers.
In MON. I feel we have a manager to take us back to the prem in the next couple of seasons.
Unfortunately a bigger fish may whisk him away from us? Here's to some success in the meantime.
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Post by samstokie1 on Feb 23, 2020 16:04:55 GMT
with the right players it can only get better, i dont think many of the defeats could be blamed on the manager, more on individual pieces of idiocy from players
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Feb 23, 2020 21:45:04 GMT
I can't see St Michael leaving us. He's waited such a long time for the "right opportunity", I can't see why he'd leave that almost immediately (not for a good while anyway). He needs to establish himself properly before moving on. We can enjoy the success he uses to build up his league football credentials in the meantime.
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Post by march4 on Feb 23, 2020 23:51:31 GMT
We will know for sure if he is the right man at the end of next season when we are promoted.
So far it looks like he is a good fit and the signs are very promising.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 24, 2020 0:48:07 GMT
I can't see St Michael leaving us. He's waited such a long time for the "right opportunity", I can't see why he'd leave that almost immediately (not for a good while anyway). He needs to establish himself properly before moving on. We can enjoy the success he uses to build up his league football credentials in the meantime. If he gets us promoted he starts here again with a new challenge! |
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 24, 2020 1:12:00 GMT
After 19 games in charge, I think O'neil is showing the credentials to take us out of the doldrums. He has taken a team of misfits and overpaid primadonna's, who could'nt be arsed to do any more than go through the motions and shaken up to produce a team with an almost 50% win rate and decent goal scoring stats. A manager who can produce this level of success, with a team so lacking in any confidence or intention, with no notable additions of his own, reflects an excellent motivator of players. I would also like to point out that the most successful managers achieve in the region of 50% win ratio through out their careers. In MON. I feel we have a manager to take us back to the prem in the next couple of seasons. Unfortunately a bigger fish may whisk him away from us? Here's to some success in the meantime. Dear god, we have won 1 game after what has been an appalling run and we are talking prem again  He is an extremely inexperienced manager at this level and it has showed at times, let us see if we can survive the drop first, which on our current away form is going to be a big challenge If we survive he will deserve the keys to the town and then next season time and backing to build a team, possibly a team that needs a complete new back 5 and a team that arguably does not have 1 viable defender in it - if we have aspirations to finish in the top half of this division - given the last 10 windows and FFP we know we wont be getting many defensive players through the door pre-season which will mean he will probably have similar tools to work with next year. No offence to him but I dont envisage a queue of clubs lining up for him just yet, league wise he has managed Shamrock Rovers and now Stoke for a very short while and has done a good job since he has been here, having said that only Stoke would risk employing a man with so little experience at this level and I think he probably could not believe his luck when he landed the job - one he maybe out of if we have a poor run in and fails to keep us up - yes he has done well and nearly has a 50% win rate, but he also has a 50% loss rate since being here too, which won't have us waltzing back to the prem next year, if we are lucky enough to still be in this division |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 6:25:08 GMT
We will know for sure if he is the right man at the end of next season when we are promoted. So far it looks like he is a good fit and the signs are very promising. We are absolutely nowhere near being a promotion team, mid table next season would be an achievement if we are still in this league. |
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Post by bojanwonder on Feb 24, 2020 8:03:00 GMT
We will know for sure if he is the right man at the end of next season when we are promoted. So far it looks like he is a good fit and the signs are very promising. We are absolutely nowhere near being a promotion team, mid table next season would be an achievement if we are still in this league. Indeed. And promotion next season would be the absolute worst thing to happen to us. It all takes time and we need a solid squad of players before we are ready to face the prem again. 'Don't run before you can walk' has never been more apt for us right now, given the last three years. |
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Post by adamsson on Feb 24, 2020 8:04:06 GMT
We will know for sure if he is the right man at the end of next season when we are promoted. So far it looks like he is a good fit and the signs are very promising. We are absolutely nowhere near being a promotion team, mid table next season would be an achievement if we are still in this league. Actually since MON came in we are certainly in play off form a couple of good signings in the summer and we could have a good chance of promotion |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 8:14:45 GMT
I'll be a very interested 'onlooker' this summer with FFP and the first big window for this manager.
I get the distinct impression he doesn't rate many outside of his consistent first team and even then, I think there are a few in it that are on rocky ground.
I can't wait to see what he does, or is allowed to do.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 24, 2020 8:40:34 GMT
After 19 games in charge, I think O'neil is showing the credentials to take us out of the doldrums. He has taken a team of misfits and overpaid primadonna's, who could'nt be arsed to do any more than go through the motions and shaken up to produce a team with an almost 50% win rate and decent goal scoring stats. A manager who can produce this level of success, with a team so lacking in any confidence or intention, with no notable additions of his own, reflects an excellent motivator of players. I would also like to point out that the most successful managers achieve in the region of 50% win ratio through out their careers. In MON. I feel we have a manager to take us back to the prem in the next couple of seasons. Unfortunately a bigger fish may whisk him away from us? Here's to some success in the meantime. Dear god, we have won 1 game after what has been an appalling run and we are talking prem again He is an extremely inexperienced manager at this level and it has showed at times, let us see if we can survive the drop first, which on our current away form is going to be a big challenge If we survive he will deserve the keys to the town and then next season time and backing to build a team, possibly a team that needs a complete new back 5 and a team that arguably does not have 1 viable defender in it - if we have aspirations to finish in the top half of this division - given the last 10 windows and FFP we know we wont be getting many defensive players through the door pre-season which will mean he will probably have similar tools to work with next year. No offence to him but I dont envisage a queue of clubs lining up for him just yet, league wise he has managed Shamrock Rovers and now Stoke for a very short while and has done a good job since he has been here, having said that only Stoke would risk employing a man with so little experience at this level and I think he probably could not believe his luck when he landed the job - one he maybe out of if we have a poor run in and fails to keep us up - yes he has done well and nearly has a 50% win rate, but he also has a 50% loss rate since being here too, which won't have us waltzing back to the prem next year, if we are lucky enough to still be in this division The man is an absolute genius to get this group picking up points. He may never have managed in the championship but he isn't an inexperienced manager. If he gets us moving on the right direction next season, competing near the top end rather than bottom end, irrespective of promotion, he will have done a mighty fine job. I'm confident that whenever he leaves us, he will leave having done an excellent job. |
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Post by RAF on Feb 24, 2020 9:17:11 GMT
Dear god, we have won 1 game after what has been an appalling run and we are talking prem again He is an extremely inexperienced manager at this level and it has showed at times, let us see if we can survive the drop first, which on our current away form is going to be a big challenge If we survive he will deserve the keys to the town and then next season time and backing to build a team, possibly a team that needs a complete new back 5 and a team that arguably does not have 1 viable defender in it - if we have aspirations to finish in the top half of this division - given the last 10 windows and FFP we know we wont be getting many defensive players through the door pre-season which will mean he will probably have similar tools to work with next year. No offence to him but I dont envisage a queue of clubs lining up for him just yet, league wise he has managed Shamrock Rovers and now Stoke for a very short while and has done a good job since he has been here, having said that only Stoke would risk employing a man with so little experience at this level and I think he probably could not believe his luck when he landed the job - one he maybe out of if we have a poor run in and fails to keep us up - yes he has done well and nearly has a 50% win rate, but he also has a 50% loss rate since being here too, which won't have us waltzing back to the prem next year, if we are lucky enough to still be in this division The man is an absolute genius to get this group picking up points. He may never have managed in the championship but he isn't an inexperienced manager. If he gets us moving on the right direction next season, competing near the top end rather than bottom end, irrespective of promotion, he will have done a mighty fine job. I'm confident that whenever he leaves us, he will leave having done an excellent job. Horsewank. He's very average just like our squad. If he gets us anywhere near promotion I'll show my arse at Sir Stans Statue. The only thing I'm confident of is that they will let me down sooner rather than later. Again!!! H |
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 24, 2020 9:41:44 GMT
The man is an absolute genius to get this group picking up points. He may never have managed in the championship but he isn't an inexperienced manager. If he gets us moving on the right direction next season, competing near the top end rather than bottom end, irrespective of promotion, he will have done a mighty fine job. I'm confident that whenever he leaves us, he will leave having done an excellent job. Horsewank. He's very average just like our squad. If he gets us anywhere near promotion I'll show my arse at Sir Stans Statue. The only thing I'm confident of is that they will let me down sooner rather than later. Again!!! H How is a 45% win rate for a team who were doomed before he turned us around "horsewank"? What win % is he not average? |
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 24, 2020 9:51:04 GMT
Excellent OP
MON has achieved what I thought was impossible for any manager to achieve.
I still think he has a huge job on his hands this season with the players at his disposal.
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Post by senojbor on Feb 24, 2020 9:53:01 GMT
The man's doing good.
I hope he takes a chance bringing in players who want to make a name for themselves rather than journeymen that we have now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 24, 2020 9:58:03 GMT
The man is an absolute genius to get this group picking up points. He may never have managed in the championship but he isn't an inexperienced manager. If he gets us moving on the right direction next season, competing near the top end rather than bottom end, irrespective of promotion, he will have done a mighty fine job. I'm confident that whenever he leaves us, he will leave having done an excellent job. Horsewank. He's very average just like our squad. If he gets us anywhere near promotion I'll show my arse at Sir Stans Statue. The only thing I'm confident of is that they will let me down sooner rather than later. Again!!! H I'm really not sure how you get through life and are still married. You must be a fucking joy to live with! |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 24, 2020 10:21:59 GMT
Apart from his WIN ratio the best job he did so far was to keep Tyrese at the club next season.
In the summer he can sort out the defence (New full-backs and assess if Ryan is fit enough for next season)
New right-winger to replace Tom Ince.
Clear out some deadwood (Vokes, Lindsay etc)
Then we wont be looking too bad next season
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 24, 2020 10:42:54 GMT
We are absolutely nowhere near being a promotion team, mid table next season would be an achievement if we are still in this league. Indeed. And promotion next season would be the absolute worst thing to happen to us. It all takes time and we need a solid squad of players before we are ready to face the prem again. 'Don't run before you can walk' has never been more apt for us right now, given the last three years. What, we would be better off getting relegated next season than being promoted? Porque? |
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Feb 24, 2020 11:14:37 GMT
To turn an absolute shambles of a team around, from rock-bottom of the league and rock-bottom in confidence, and to achieve play-off level form is quite an achievement. All he's really had chance to do is ship out some overpaid wasters and bring a couple of new faces in. Yes, we've had a couple of hidings in recent matches, but overall our form shows us to be performing well enough to be aiming at the playoff spots next season, even if we aren't ready for a promotion as it stands.
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Post by apb1 on Feb 24, 2020 11:26:21 GMT
We can certainly say we have a shot at promotion if the form for the rest of the season matches his time in charge so far. You only have to finish 6th. The worry is that we'll not really have any money to invest in the obvious weak areas, and will need to offload players still maybe. So we'll perhaps go from a bloated to a threadbare squad.
Getting promoted next season would absolutely not be the worst thing that could happen. It would bring us 100m of income, and reignite parachute payments if we got relegated, giving us an advantage in the division. The worst thing to happen would be to get that boost and then blow it on wasters again.
I don't see why MON is being written off as average already, but we had a very average time with Pulis mark one, so if it turns out the same I'll be fine with it.
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Post by pmjh on Feb 24, 2020 11:33:12 GMT
We will know for sure if he is the right man at the end of next season when we are promoted. So far it looks like he is a good fit and the signs are very promising. We are absolutely nowhere near being a promotion team, mid table next season would be an achievement if we are still in this league. 29 points from 19 games under MON. When extrapolated over a season this would give 70 points. The average over the last 10 years for 6th place is 73.6 points .The lowest 68. That would suggest actually we are not a million miles from being a playoff chasing team. |
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Post by pmjh on Feb 24, 2020 11:38:42 GMT
We are absolutely nowhere near being a promotion team, mid table next season would be an achievement if we are still in this league. Indeed. And promotion next season would be the absolute worst thing to happen to us. It all takes time and we need a solid squad of players before we are ready to face the prem again. 'Don't run before you can walk' has never been more apt for us right now, given the last three years. IF you can get promotion you have to take it when it comes. The team that went up under Pulis went up in 2nd place with only 77 points. By the time loan players returned we barely had a squad and we were supposed to 'do a Derby'. We then spent 10 years in the Prem. |
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 24, 2020 11:38:48 GMT
He’s already done an amazing job shutting up the lovesick TFP fan club two prominent members of which have posted good things in this thread about a Stoke manager who isn’t TFP!
BM
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Post by abcd1234 on Feb 24, 2020 11:59:02 GMT
The man is an absolute genius to get this group picking up points. He may never have managed in the championship but he isn't an inexperienced manager. If he gets us moving on the right direction next season, competing near the top end rather than bottom end, irrespective of promotion, he will have done a mighty fine job. I'm confident that whenever he leaves us, he will leave having done an excellent job. Horsewank. He's very average just like our squad. If he gets us anywhere near promotion I'll show my arse at Sir Stans Statue. The only thing I'm confident of is that they will let me down sooner rather than later. Again!!! H It seems you talk out your arse too... |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2020 12:07:27 GMT
We are absolutely nowhere near being a promotion team, mid table next season would be an achievement if we are still in this league. 29 points from 19 games under MON. When extrapolated over a season this would give 70 points. The average over the last 10 years for 6th place is 73.6 points .The lowest 68. That would suggest actually we are not a million miles from being a playoff chasing team. We have to factor a potentially large rebuilding job though with not much in the way of funds. We’re likely to need, at the very least, a goalkeeper and a replacement for Allen as well as some better squad depth to be able to challenge. As excellent a job as MON has done so far, I can’t see next season being one of much more than consolidation. |
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Post by markby on Feb 24, 2020 12:12:08 GMT
After 19 games in charge, I think O'neil is showing the credentials to take us out of the doldrums. Dear god, we have won 1 game after what has been an appalling run and we are talking prem again He is an extremely inexperienced manager at this level and it has showed at times, let us see if we can survive the drop first, which on our current away form is going to be a big challenge. No offence to him but I dont envisage a queue of clubs lining up for him just yet, league wise he has managed Shamrock Rovers and now Stoke for a very short while and has done a good job since he has been here, having said that only Stoke would risk employing a man with so little experience at this level and I think he probably could not believe his luck when he landed the job - one he maybe out of if we have a poor run in and fails to keep us up - yes he has done well and nearly has a 50% win rate, but he also has a 50% loss rate since being here too, which won't have us waltzing back to the prem next year, if we are lucky enough to still be in this division Of course you're correct that he still hasn't achieved the job he was primarily appointed for (avoid relegation) and unless/until he does, caution is called for.
But beyond that I think you're being harsh on Michael and by extension, the people who appointed him. You point to his lack of experience. But quite apart from his international experience which you discount, mere hours in the job is hardly the only qualification if a candidate has got all the other essential attributes. Otherwise no new young manager would ever get a chance to prove his worth (see eg Gerrard or Lampard).
And I know for a fact that in the NI job at least, MO'N consistently impressed all the players, coaches, IFA directors and media etc who had a chance to work with him or see him operate day-to-day. In particular, he took over a totally dispirited group of players and turned them round over the course of his first campaign (15-20 matches) before getting them to a whole new level and all without being able to buy new players (obviously). Sound familiar?
As for his "gratitude" at being given the job, I have to disagree, for as I've noted here before, it will have been as much a case of his interviewing you for the post as the other way round! Remember, he already had absolute job security with NI, in a nice, undemanding (essentially part-time) set-up where he could continue to live in Edinburgh etc. Moreover, we know he turned down at least two other decent job offers and declined to take another couple of approaches further.
As for "only" having a near 50% win rate, what more did you expect? Sixty per cent? Seventy? Or 50% wins and the rest draws?
We NI fans all said at the outset that we thought you'd got a gem of a manager in Michael, and albeit following from afar, everything we've seen so far seems to be confirming that. Let's all hope it continues!
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Post by pmjh on Feb 24, 2020 12:26:40 GMT
29 points from 19 games under MON. When extrapolated over a season this would give 70 points. The average over the last 10 years for 6th place is 73.6 points .The lowest 68. That would suggest actually we are not a million miles from being a playoff chasing team. We have to factor a potentially large rebuilding job though with not much in the way of funds. We’re likely to need, at the very least, a goalkeeper and a replacement for Allen as well as some better squad depth to be able to challenge. As excellent a job as MON has done so far, I can’t see next season being one of much more than consolidation. That's all supposition and you may or may not be shown to be correct. However the stats so far under MON do not support the idea that we are nowhere near being a promotion team. Furthermore i'm not sure there will be a major rebuilding job. MON favours coaching the players he has and keeping a lean squad. Because of this and the restrictions of FFP I think he will concentrate on filling 2 or 3 problem positions( RW and LB come to mind) and replacing 1st choice players who leave. |
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Post by Davef on Feb 24, 2020 12:36:06 GMT
He’s already done an amazing job shutting up the lovesick TFP fan club two prominent members of which have posted good things in this thread about a Stoke manager who isn’t TFP! BM Don't think they won't turn in an instant if their ridiculous expectation of promotion next season doesn't materialise. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2020 12:41:32 GMT
We have to factor a potentially large rebuilding job though with not much in the way of funds. We’re likely to need, at the very least, a goalkeeper and a replacement for Allen as well as some better squad depth to be able to challenge. As excellent a job as MON has done so far, I can’t see next season being one of much more than consolidation. That's all supposition and you may or may not be shown to be correct. However the stats so far under MON do not support the idea that we are nowhere near being a promotion team. Furthermore i'm not sure there will be a major rebuilding job. MON favours coaching the players he has and keeping a lean squad. Because of this and the restrictions of FFP I think he will concentrate on filling 2 or 3 problem positions( RW and LB come to mind) and replacing 1st choice players who leave. It's all supposition though isn't it, including the 'supposition' that our form stays the same and no variables come into play. Lovely if we just focus on replacing the first team players who leave and filling problem positions, but that's a pretty risky business when we're heavily dependent attacking-wise on a maverick number 10 with hamstrings made of sticklebricks and our only fit-for-purpose striker is younger than the Sega Dreamcast. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 24, 2020 12:43:27 GMT
He’s already done an amazing job shutting up the lovesick TFP fan club two prominent members of which have posted good things in this thread about a Stoke manager who isn’t TFP! BM I love your TP rants Mick. Never stop! |
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