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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2021 20:45:09 GMT
Virtually impossible to accurately compare football from different continents but Gerrard said he thought it was Championship level and that was four or five years ago, it's better now. There's loads of decent South and Central American's there and a smattering of decent if ageing Europeans. The top teams also have excellent youth programmes increasingly getting traction in colleges. It's a fantastic opportunity at a decent level. Should do him the world of good. The sad thing is following this thread page by page is how disappointed people are that it wasn't Stafford rangers he was joining and how gutted they are its actually a decent move. It's a uniquely Stoke thing for certain. For the guy personally it’s a great move. I wouldn’t begrudge him the opportunity to move to the US and start a new life. As a professional footballer it flies in the face of Bayernoatcakes bullshit about him being a future premier league footballer. He’s never looked like one and never will be one. I’d be surprised if he makes the grade in the MLS. I hope he does but won’t hold my breath. He has been a Premier League player and he'll be mixing with and against far more International players than he will be in League One.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 20, 2021 20:50:13 GMT
For the guy personally it’s a great move. I wouldn’t begrudge him the opportunity to move to the US and start a new life. As a professional footballer it flies in the face of Bayernoatcakes bullshit about him being a future premier league footballer. He’s never looked like one and never will be one. I’d be surprised if he makes the grade in the MLS. I hope he does but won’t hold my breath. He has been a Premier League player and he'll be mixing with and against far more International players than he will be in League One. Well this is it isn’t it, from people talking about him as a premier league player are now comparing the MLS to league one. The point I’m trying to make is all of a sudden the MLS is a great move after saying he should be playing for Stoke or will be playing in the premier league. Let’s face it, he’s not very good and got a great Move from a personal point of view but not professionally.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 20, 2021 20:55:36 GMT
He will be the biggest name in their squad.
Ex premier league Tom Edwards.
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Post by DC1863 on Jan 20, 2021 21:34:13 GMT
Good luck to Tom, when he first broke through he looked a terrific prospect, if I remember rightly he assisted a goal against Man City with a superb cross. Always thought he had a good delivery in his locker.
Obviously something has gone awry since, maybe in his personal life, maybe he's just not good enough. Hopefully 6 months in the MLS gets him firing to come back and compete for a place here in the summer.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 20, 2021 21:55:15 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2021 21:57:39 GMT
I don’t get where the sheer hatred for him is born from?
It’s mad 😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2021 22:17:11 GMT
I don’t get where the sheer hatred for him is born from? It’s mad 😂 Probably from you making out he's the best full back since Cafu. Or maybe, as you like to defend all the time, it's nothing to do with hatred or agendas and simply a case of people thinking he's rubbish and has a move befitting his ability levels? Me...he has almost certainly found his level. He wasnt ready when he made his debut and he never improved.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2021 22:23:33 GMT
I don’t get where the sheer hatred for him is born from? It’s mad 😂 Probably from you making out he's the best full back since Cafu. Or maybe, as you like to defend all the time, it's nothing to do with hatred or agendas and simply a case of people thinking he's rubbish and has a move befitting his ability levels? Me...he has almost certainly found his level. He wasnt ready when he made his debut and he never improved. That’s just pathetic then isn’t it 😂 He had a bad season in a season where everyone did. That was it. You’d think he’d murdered people’s families from Reading the crap on here!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 20, 2021 22:25:58 GMT
Probably from you making out he's the best full back since Cafu. Or maybe, as you like to defend all the time, it's nothing to do with hatred or agendas and simply a case of people thinking he's rubbish and has a move befitting his ability levels? Me...he has almost certainly found his level. He wasnt ready when he made his debut and he never improved. That’s just pathetic then isn’t it 😂 He had a bad season in a season where everyone did. That was it. You’d think he’d murdered people’s families from Reading the crap on here! Why would he be murdering peoples families from Reading?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2021 22:28:25 GMT
That’s just pathetic then isn’t it 😂 He had a bad season in a season where everyone did. That was it. You’d think he’d murdered people’s families from Reading the crap on here! Why would he be murdering peoples families from Reading? My phone auto changes it and the I can never be arsed to delete it 😂🤦♂️
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 20, 2021 22:29:55 GMT
Why would he be murdering peoples families from Reading? My phone auto changes it and the I can never be arsed to delete it 😂🤦♂️ Things like that can get you hung, drawn and quartered on here mate😉
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Post by onionman on Jan 20, 2021 22:31:31 GMT
That’s just pathetic then isn’t it 😂 He had a bad season in a season where everyone did. That was it. You’d think he’d murdered people’s families from Reading the crap on here! Why would he be murdering peoples families from Reading? Dave Kitson was from Reading. Tom Edwards has murdered Dave Kitson’s family? This has spiralled.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 20, 2021 22:32:32 GMT
Why would he be murdering peoples families from Reading? Dave Kitson was from Reading. Tom Edwards has murdered Dave Kitson’s family? This has spiralled. Bet it’s still Dave Kitsons fault no matter what the jury says😀
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2021 22:37:27 GMT
Smith has now put in a dozen worse performances than that fabled Reading game of Edwards and is so bad that we now have to play one of the most promising Centre Halves around out of position to accommodate for his wankness. It's all been a bit of a clusterfuck and was all too easy to predict when the manager hung his hat on Smith who was diabolical after the restart and has remained so since.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 20, 2021 22:42:19 GMT
Smith has now put in a dozen worse performances than that fabled Reading game of Edwards and is so bad that we now have to play one of the most promising Centre Halves around out of position to accommodate for his wankness. It's all been a bit of a clusterfuck and was all too easy to predict when the manager hung his hat on Smith who was diabolical after the restart and has remained so since. Not you n all!!! What’s your beef with Reading?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2021 22:45:40 GMT
Smith has now put in a dozen worse performances than that fabled Reading game of Edwards and is so bad that we now have to play one of the most promising Centre Halves around out of position to accommodate for his wankness. It's all been a bit of a clusterfuck and was all too easy to predict when the manager hung his hat on Smith who was diabolical after the restart and has remained so since. Not you n all!!! What’s your beef with Reading? It was the Reading game he was hauled off in and not played a league game since wasn't it?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 20, 2021 22:47:09 GMT
Not you n all!!! What’s your beef with Reading? It was the Reading game he was hauled off in and not played a league game since wasn't it? Yes I was referring to the last few posts, have a read(ing)😀
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Post by andystokey on Jan 20, 2021 22:50:31 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2021 22:52:59 GMT
Probably from you making out he's the best full back since Cafu. Or maybe, as you like to defend all the time, it's nothing to do with hatred or agendas and simply a case of people thinking he's rubbish and has a move befitting his ability levels? Me...he has almost certainly found his level. He wasnt ready when he made his debut and he never improved. That’s just pathetic then isn’t it 😂 He had a bad season in a season where everyone did. That was it. You’d think he’d murdered people’s families from Reading the crap on here! Or people just think he's crap? Listening to you bleating on about the coward of a manager we have, you'd think he'd snagged your mum.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2021 22:54:28 GMT
Smith has now put in a dozen worse performances than that fabled Reading game of Edwards and is so bad that we now have to play one of the most promising Centre Halves around out of position to accommodate for his wankness. It's all been a bit of a clusterfuck and was all too easy to predict when the manager hung his hat on Smith who was diabolical after the restart and has remained so since. Smith is useless. Edwards even more so. Both are crap. It would be superb if we could somehow manage to get shut of them both.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 20, 2021 23:14:44 GMT
Smith has now put in a dozen worse performances than that fabled Reading game of Edwards and is so bad that we now have to play one of the most promising Centre Halves around out of position to accommodate for his wankness. It's all been a bit of a clusterfuck and was all too easy to predict when the manager hung his hat on Smith who was diabolical after the restart and has remained so since. Smith is useless. Edwards even more so. Both are crap. It would be superb if we could somehow manage to get shut of them both. Problem is Smith is the best right back we've got so no point getting shut of him until we've got a decent replacement.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 20, 2021 23:37:47 GMT
It is where you go to retire,?
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 20, 2021 23:50:56 GMT
What makes you think he'll fill our striker-sized hole exactly? Am I missing something?
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jan 21, 2021 4:07:30 GMT
Sideways move from Fleetwood. MLS is a low standard, but an ok league in terms of developing young players.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 21, 2021 8:36:49 GMT
It's an excellent move to go and play in New York and to play under Gehard Struber, who played excellent attacking football with Barnsley last season, regardless of the standard of football over there.
I worry that we are missing something with him, especially given the franchise he is going to work for. They are well renowned for picking up young players with their scouting tools and developing them into big players. This is the same franchise that picked up Naby Keita, Sadio Mane and the soon to be well known Dayot Upamecano, albeit in a different country. I just wonder at this stage, given the play offs is drifting slightly and us missing a bona fide right back, why we can't just give him another go between now and the end of the season?
We are desperate for another RND type on the other side of the pitch to really open us up. Tommy Smith doesn't do it, Collins has filled in well and done the best he possibly can but is not a right back and here we are sending a young right back out on loan.
Seems a bit crackers to me, but that seems to be the theme on which we've run our club for years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 9:09:09 GMT
It's an excellent move to go and play in New York and to play under Gehard Struber, who played excellent attacking football with Barnsley last season, regardless of the standard of football over there. I worry that we are missing something with him, especially given the franchise he is going to work for. They are well renowned for picking up young players with their scouting tools and developing them into big players. This is the same franchise that picked up Naby Keita, Sadio Mane and the soon to be well known Dayot Upamecano, albeit in a different country. I just wonder at this stage, given the play offs is drifting slightly and us missing a bona fide right back, why we can't just give him another go between now and the end of the season? We are desperate for another RND type on the other side of the pitch to really open us up. Tommy Smith doesn't do it, Collins has filled in well and done the best he possibly can but is not a right back and here we are sending a young right back out on loan. Seems a bit crackers to me, but that seems to be the theme on which we've run our club for years. If push comes to...whatever, but we have another talented right back on our books in Kieran Coates. I wouldn't think it was part of the plan for him to have his debut this season, but if he were to be picked, you never know, he wouldn't be the first young man to rise to the occasion. He is not known to look deep into his glass.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 21, 2021 9:11:03 GMT
It's an excellent move to go and play in New York and to play under Gehard Struber, who played excellent attacking football with Barnsley last season, regardless of the standard of football over there. I worry that we are missing something with him, especially given the franchise he is going to work for. They are well renowned for picking up young players with their scouting tools and developing them into big players. This is the same franchise that picked up Naby Keita, Sadio Mane and the soon to be well known Dayot Upamecano, albeit in a different country. I just wonder at this stage, given the play offs is drifting slightly and us missing a bona fide right back, why we can't just give him another go between now and the end of the season? We are desperate for another RND type on the other side of the pitch to really open us up. Tommy Smith doesn't do it, Collins has filled in well and done the best he possibly can but is not a right back and here we are sending a young right back out on loan. Seems a bit crackers to me, but that seems to be the theme on which we've run our club for years. If push comes to...whatever, but we have another talented right back on our books in Kieran Coates. I wouldn't think it was part of the plan for him to have his debut this season, but if he were to be picked, you never know, he wouldn't be the first young man to rise to the occasion. He is not known to look deep into his glass. I watched the game against Leeds the other day and thought he was pretty decent. Infact, I was highly impressed with all of the youngsters and in particular, how much grit they have allied with their technical ability. A highly overused but underappreciated 'skill' to have in youth football these days.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 21, 2021 9:23:39 GMT
Edwards has a great cross from deep in him and isn’t a slow poke, Smith at times finds himself to attacking minded and lapses concentration when opposition are countering and breaking through our defensive line.
- Both are fine/good for championship standard.
- Edwards could have had the potential to progress into a well established RB that would be Prem standard but we’ll never know.
- Bayern, you don’t help yourself by relentlessly banging the same drum over and over about young players which we never end up witnessing whether your premonitions would come true or not. It’s rather easy to be so defininative about something that hasn’t happened.
- No point assessing arguing as to Edwards ability as.... 😬 Most Stoke fans hate any full back that wears a Stoke shirt. (Maybe that’s why TP never signed any?). The hatred Pieters/Bardsley used to get on here and they’re still Prem.
If Edwards has had the wrong attitude behind the scenes and is toxic then the club might just be totally done with him and who ever is manager is advised to avoid him. If his rumoured party antics were anything to go by a move out to the US could be good, in a land where if you go for that second pint on a weeknight then you automatically have to register with AA.
The MLS is ever growing and whatever quibble as to what comparable league it might be at will be ever more irrelevant as time goes on as it’s its own thing - for a young lad joining he has many years ahead to grow a long with the stature of the MLS.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 21, 2021 9:41:06 GMT
As a young lad he's going to be living the dream out there in New York.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 21, 2021 9:52:16 GMT
Is that a loan or have we got actual cash for him? Well the story above says it is a loan. But that doesn't mean we won't get paid some cash for the loan.
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