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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 15, 2020 21:36:15 GMT
Why is it ironic? It’s just looking at the bigger picture. I’d get rid of Smith and keep Edwards every day of the week if it was a choice but that isn’t my point here and making it such is pretty pathetic. Has he? The wing backs have both been an issue with the system. He’s been perfectly ok don’t get me wrong but doesn’t offer anything close to what we need in this system but that’s not his fault. Pointing out that we need backup for Smith is ironic because this time last year you were arguing we didn't need backup for Edwards. The fact that Edwards has gone and has been supplanted by Smith is irony squared. Edwards has been rubbish for over a year, Smith has been steady and has looked pretty good so far this season. I agree he's not a natural wing back but he's doing a decent job. You've already admitted you were wrong about needing cover at right back (without actually admitting it) why not go the whole hog and admit you were wrong about Edwards? Because, let's face it, you were. There really is no shame in it, So you don't think we need any cover on the right of defence, other than someone we bought as a forward or probably our best prospect at centre half in a generation?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 15, 2020 21:37:27 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 21:37:52 GMT
Pointing out that we need backup for Smith is ironic because this time last year you were arguing we didn't need backup for Edwards. The fact that Edwards has gone and has been supplanted by Smith is irony squared. Edwards has been rubbish for over a year, Smith has been steady and has looked pretty good so far this season. I agree he's not a natural wing back but he's doing a decent job. You've already admitted you were wrong about needing cover at right back (without actually admitting it) why not go the whole hog and admit you were wrong about Edwards? Because, let's face it, you were. There really is no shame in it, So you don't think we need any cover on the right of defence, other than someone we bought as a forward or probably our best prospect at centre half in a generation? Yes we do However Edwards absolutely needs this loan. Would have preferred somewhere further away from his mates though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 15, 2020 21:47:31 GMT
So you don't think we need any cover on the right of defence, other than someone we bought as a forward or probably our best prospect at centre half in a generation? Yes we do However Edwards absolutely needs this loan. Would have preferred somewhere further away from his mates though. I think people have long since stopped calling for Edwards to be reinstated at right back even though Smith has again been dog average in the league in particularly. The manager has made it clear he's dead to him but to potentially weaken our attacking options or stunt the progress of an excellent centre half in the process stinks the place out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 21:49:25 GMT
Unless super Moritz Bauer makes a miraculous return? Which tbh I’m not against. As a back up Championship right back he’s absolutely fine - might as well get some use out of him! I agree but how likely is it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 21:50:32 GMT
Why is it ironic? It’s just looking at the bigger picture. I’d get rid of Smith and keep Edwards every day of the week if it was a choice but that isn’t my point here and making it such is pretty pathetic. Has he? The wing backs have both been an issue with the system. He’s been perfectly ok don’t get me wrong but doesn’t offer anything close to what we need in this system but that’s not his fault. Pointing out that we need backup for Smith is ironic because this time last year you were arguing we didn't need backup for Edwards. The fact that Edwards has gone and has been supplanted by Smith is irony squared. Edwards has been rubbish for over a year, Smith has been steady and has looked pretty good so far this season. I agree he's not a natural wing back but he's doing a decent job. You've already admitted you were wrong about needing cover at right back (without actually admitting it) why not go the whole hog and admit you were wrong about Edwards? Because, let's face it, you were. There really is no shame in it, Ironic my arse it’s the simple ability of being able to count.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 21:52:13 GMT
So you don't think we need any cover on the right of defence, other than someone we bought as a forward or probably our best prospect at centre half in a generation? Yes we do However Edwards absolutely needs this loan. Would have preferred somewhere further away from his mates though. Which is exactly what I’ve said. The poster Momo has quoted is just missing the point/making shit up/making himself look at tit. I can’t quite figure out which.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 15, 2020 21:52:20 GMT
As a back up Championship right back he’s absolutely fine - might as well get some use out of him! I agree but how likely is it? That would be up there with some of Boris’ U turns! Absolutely no chance
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 21:54:45 GMT
I agree but how likely is it? That would be up there with some of Boris’ U turns! Absolutely no chance Which is a shame because I do think he’s the best of the lot suited to a wing back role. Both wing backs have been the biggest issue in this system going forward so I don’t buy this Smith has been decent stuff. Defensively he has but that’s half of the job. And again that’s no fault of his own, he’s being asked to play a role that doesn’t suit him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 15, 2020 22:10:02 GMT
That would be up there with some of Boris’ U turns! Absolutely no chance Which is a shame because I do think he’s the best of the lot suited to a wing back role. Both wing backs have been the biggest issue in this system going forward so I don’t buy this Smith has been decent stuff. Defensively he has but that’s half of the job. And again that’s no fault of his own, he’s being asked to play a role that doesn’t suit him. I go back to what I’ve said before. We don’t have any wing backs in the squad. If that’s the system the manager wants to play he should have signed two wing backs instead of every other position apart from. The squad suits 4-2-3-1 with decent cover in every position (apart from right back). With the system he plays he is completely hamstrung by players who can’t play the positions he needs them to. Its bemusing.
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Post by Championship Potter on Oct 15, 2020 22:11:12 GMT
That would be up there with some of Boris’ U turns! Absolutely no chance Which is a shame because I do think he’s the best of the lot suited to a wing back role. Both wing backs have been the biggest issue in this system going forward so I don’t buy this Smith has been decent stuff. Defensively he has but that’s half of the job. And again that’s no fault of his own, he’s being asked to play a role that doesn’t suit him. I’d agree. His only real deficiency is his defending (admittedly that is an issue for a defender), I’m but sure he’d do a job at right wing back. He was pretty decent further forward in his half season in the Prem.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 22:12:41 GMT
Which is a shame because I do think he’s the best of the lot suited to a wing back role. Both wing backs have been the biggest issue in this system going forward so I don’t buy this Smith has been decent stuff. Defensively he has but that’s half of the job. And again that’s no fault of his own, he’s being asked to play a role that doesn’t suit him. I go back to what I’ve said before. We don’t have any wing backs in the squad. If that’s the system the manager wants to play he should have signed two wing backs instead of every other position apart from. The squad suits 4-2-3-1 with decent cover in every position (apart from right back). With the system he plays he is completely hamstrung by players who can’t play the positions he needs them to. Its bemusing. Very much so. It makes no sense at all. We finally sign a left back and play him at centre back. We sign a quick striker come winger and he could end up at right back. It’s all very bad Hughes.
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Post by march4 on Oct 15, 2020 22:14:00 GMT
Has a permanent deal been agreed for the end of any successful loan?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 15, 2020 22:17:29 GMT
Pointing out that we need backup for Smith is ironic because this time last year you were arguing we didn't need backup for Edwards. The fact that Edwards has gone and has been supplanted by Smith is irony squared. Edwards has been rubbish for over a year, Smith has been steady and has looked pretty good so far this season. I agree he's not a natural wing back but he's doing a decent job. You've already admitted you were wrong about needing cover at right back (without actually admitting it) why not go the whole hog and admit you were wrong about Edwards? Because, let's face it, you were. There really is no shame in it, Ironic my arse it’s the simple ability of being able to count. Thankfully not a chance it'll happen, he's utter dog shit.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 15, 2020 22:25:42 GMT
Which is a shame because I do think he’s the best of the lot suited to a wing back role. Both wing backs have been the biggest issue in this system going forward so I don’t buy this Smith has been decent stuff. Defensively he has but that’s half of the job. And again that’s no fault of his own, he’s being asked to play a role that doesn’t suit him. I go back to what I’ve said before. We don’t have any wing backs in the squad. If that’s the system the manager wants to play he should have signed two wing backs instead of every other position apart from. The squad suits 4-2-3-1 with decent cover in every position (apart from right back). With the system he plays he is completely hamstrung by players who can’t play the positions he needs them to. Its bemusing. I agree with all of this but as I can't remember whos the cover at left back?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 15, 2020 23:14:28 GMT
I go back to what I’ve said before. We don’t have any wing backs in the squad. If that’s the system the manager wants to play he should have signed two wing backs instead of every other position apart from. The squad suits 4-2-3-1 with decent cover in every position (apart from right back). With the system he plays he is completely hamstrung by players who can’t play the positions he needs them to. Its bemusing. I agree with all of this but as I can't remember whos the cover at left back? I suppose that would be Tymon but yeh it’s not ideal
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Post by lordb on Oct 16, 2020 7:23:11 GMT
Yes we do However Edwards absolutely needs this loan. Would have preferred somewhere further away from his mates though. I think people have long since stopped calling for Edwards to be reinstated at right back even though Smith has again been dog average in the league in particularly. The manager has made it clear he's dead to him but to potentially weaken our attacking options or stunt the progress of an excellent centre half in the process stinks the place out. Edwards is not being excluded for football reasons
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Post by lordb on Oct 16, 2020 7:24:04 GMT
Has a permanent deal been agreed for the end of any successful loan? Doubt Fleetwood would take on his contract
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 16, 2020 7:45:35 GMT
Has a permanent deal been agreed for the end of any successful loan? Most "options to buy" seem to be included in loan deals with older players or players who have been totally written off by their current club. The fact that he has gone to Fleetwood probably isn't a coincidence. There are 3 connections between the two clubs - Clint Hill, Glen Whelan and Souttar. I'm sure that Stoke and Edwards are hoping that his career progresses in the same way that Souttar's did. Fingers crossed that it happens.
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Post by slicko on Oct 16, 2020 7:59:02 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 16, 2020 8:20:49 GMT
I agree with all of this but as I can't remember whos the cover at left back? I suppose that would be Tymon but yeh it’s not ideal That makes sense, its all looking a bit poorly thought out isn't it.
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Post by femark on Oct 16, 2020 10:30:27 GMT
That would be up there with some of Boris’ U turns! Absolutely no chance Which is a shame because I do think he’s the best of the lot suited to a wing back role. Both wing backs have been the biggest issue in this system going forward so I don’t buy this Smith has been decent stuff. Defensively he has but that’s half of the job. And again that’s no fault of his own, he’s being asked to play a role that doesn’t suit him. Smith has been a lot better going forward than people give him credit for. His crossing is generally very good, he overlaps when needed and he is calm on the ball. I know he doesn't go marauding down the wing like some modern full backs but he is very solid. I agree on paper, Bauer should be excellent in the wing back role but there are clearly issues that we are not privy to.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 16, 2020 10:37:56 GMT
Which is a shame because I do think he’s the best of the lot suited to a wing back role. Both wing backs have been the biggest issue in this system going forward so I don’t buy this Smith has been decent stuff. Defensively he has but that’s half of the job. And again that’s no fault of his own, he’s being asked to play a role that doesn’t suit him. Smith has been a lot better going forward than people give him credit for. His crossing is generally very good, he overlaps when needed and he is calm on the ball. I know he doesn't go marauding down the wing like some modern full backs but he is very solid. I agree on paper, Bauer should be excellent in the wing back role but there are clearly issues that we are not privy to. He's fine going forward yeah but I think as a wing back it's been disappointing and he hasn't as useful at it as he was in lockdown for instance. We need more from both full backs going forward in this system. Or just fucking bin it.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 16, 2020 12:40:50 GMT
Best move for us and Tom. Big chance for him to get away and go play football. Hopefully he moves up there for a bit as well just to give himself a break from the same situation he's been in here and break his cycle for a bit. It must be difficult to go from playing in the prem to not being near the match day squad selection.
Go play, find that desire and hunger again - come back fitter, stronger, better and hungrier.
He's a good footballer and can have a good career. Hopefully his future is with us.
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Post by datguy on Oct 16, 2020 12:48:23 GMT
Just read that thread. Edwards seemed dejected because he had been dropped. Isn't that... a good thing?
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Post by a on Oct 16, 2020 16:35:03 GMT
Very telling that Fleetwood is the destination, and not a Championship club... no. The fact remains however that he is where he is
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Post by a on Oct 16, 2020 16:38:07 GMT
Very telling that Fleetwood is the destination, and not a Championship club... Not really they did well with Souttar so it makes sense , I can see a few more going there over time. It’s early days to see if he can step up but I hope they both do well for us, but having seen Edwards perform in this league as poorly as he has, when Souttar hasn’t had that opportunity yet then I think it’s a case of let’s see.
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Post by slicko on Oct 16, 2020 17:36:16 GMT
Just read that thread. Edwards seemed dejected because he had been dropped. Isn't that... a good thing? You should’ve been there. Read all three pages and it’ll be clear. He’s no team player, or anot least he wasn’t that night.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 13:02:55 GMT
The fact remains however that he is where he is One step backwards, two steps forward? That might not look likely right now, but it wouldn't be the first time. Souttar made exactly that movement, although it took time for the managers to grasp it.
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Post by bolders on Oct 17, 2020 13:56:09 GMT
Not even on the bench
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