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Post by greenhoff on Sept 2, 2020 20:16:57 GMT
He should be in the team. Hes done absolutely nothing to justify a starting place, absolutely nothing. For a young player hes been completely unprofessional.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 2, 2020 20:19:12 GMT
Strange that he didn't figure either against Blackpool or Leeds?.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 2, 2020 20:22:11 GMT
Shouldn’t sell Edwards, we don’t have the cover. Full back is a very specialised position as proved with the left back situation and the Collins at right back “experiment”. If he does go we better have a ready made replacement or we will have the left back situation on the right. If that makes sense🤷🏻♂️
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 2, 2020 20:23:30 GMT
fucking hell we might get a fee Wait until Scholes gets involved....
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 2, 2020 20:28:18 GMT
fucking hell we might get a fee Wait until Scholes gets involved.... yeah you can imagine it Dean Smith: “ Hi Tony, we would be interested in taking Tom Edwards off you for a a reasonable fee” Tony Scholes “ great, how much are we talking? “ Dean Smith “ 2 million Tony” Tony Scholes “ it’s a deal Dean, I’ll transfer the cash straight away”
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 2, 2020 20:30:55 GMT
For his potential he is worth keeping, for his apparently less than professional attitude less so. If MON is prepared to let him go, and use the funds to strengthen the squad elsewhere, then so be it.
Very few of our youngsters over the years who we've let go (as opposed to one of the big boys coming in to offer us money we cannot refuse) have gone on to have glittering careers elsewhere. He may have a solid, Ryan Shotton/Richard Keogh career, but probably not an Andy Griffin/Lee Dixon one.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 2, 2020 20:56:27 GMT
Potential's there, but it sounds like his attitude has really let him down.
Think MON is/was furious with him after lockdown and once you've pissed your boss off to that extent, there's often no coming back from it.
He's one who we could really regret letting go, but you do wonder whether MON has washed his hands of him now and wants him out of the building. Difficult to know what to do, but personally I'd be tempted to give him a second chance if he knuckles down and keeps himself fit. Will support whatever the manager decides though- we don't know the full story of what's gone here.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2020 21:01:21 GMT
I'd take Edwards for Byrne, if true.
Probably end up with Simpson though....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2020 21:37:13 GMT
Utterly bizarre on every single level.
And Smith seemingly cost £4M now.
Fuck me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 21:43:28 GMT
A fit and motivated Edwards is a better prospect than Smith all day long. That's been the issue with him though That's what was. This is now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 21:47:47 GMT
Strange that he didn't figure either against Blackpool or Leeds?. Not so strange since O'Neill by and large went with what finished last season so well, for the cup game, so that meant Smith played. For the Leeds game the system played was different. He did play one game and did alright, but for a regular spot he will have to be patient a while longer. He's got plenty of time to prove himself.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2020 21:51:06 GMT
So we have a painfully average and painfully expensive right back, we have a right back in the never to be seen again bomb squad, we may be looking to waste what seem exceptionally scarce resources on another right back, whilst at the same time letting our young right back go to the Premier League or a Championship rival and potentially forcing our best centre half out of position as cover at right back.
Is that where we are?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 21:52:02 GMT
Potential's there, but it sounds like his attitude has really let him down. Think MON is/was furious with him after lockdown and once you've pissed your boss off to that extent, there's often no coming back from it. He's one who we could really regret letting go, but you do wonder whether MON has washed his hands of him now and wants him out of the building. Difficult to know what to do, but personally I'd be tempted to give him a second chance if he knuckles down and keeps himself fit. Will support whatever the manager decides though- we don't know the full story of what's gone here. On the contrary, O'Neill will have been impressed that Tom self trained and came back roaring to go. That he explicitly wants to play for us and not away on loan is exactly what O'Neill will have hoped to hear, and so, he gave him a game the other day. There will be more, but he will have to prove he's better than Smith first.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 6:18:40 GMT
So we have a painfully average and painfully expensive right back, we have a right back in the never to be seen again bomb squad, we may be looking to waste what seem exceptionally scarce resources on another right back, whilst at the same time letting our young right back go to the Premier League or a Championship rival and potentially forcing our best centre half out of position as cover at right back. Is that where we are?! Here you go again. You're the type that wants sauce on your sausage butty!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 3, 2020 6:20:39 GMT
Potential's there, but it sounds like his attitude has really let him down. Think MON is/was furious with him after lockdown and once you've pissed your boss off to that extent, there's often no coming back from it. He's one who we could really regret letting go, but you do wonder whether MON has washed his hands of him now and wants him out of the building. Difficult to know what to do, but personally I'd be tempted to give him a second chance if he knuckles down and keeps himself fit. Will support whatever the manager decides though- we don't know the full story of what's gone here. On the contrary, O'Neill will have been impressed that Tom self trained and came back roaring to go. That he explicitly wants to play for us and not away on loan is exactly what O'Neill will have hoped to hear, and so, he gave him a game the other day. There will be more, but he will have to prove he's better than Smith first. Unless he is injured, his absence this week is strange with Collins playing at right back. If he is fit then that feels like MON trying to edge him out. He was awful in the Reading game both defensively and going forward - he never tried to take Charlie, who was playing left midfield, on - and that seems to have made MON's mind up. I suspect he will feel under pressure if he gets into the team so it is probably best for all parties to move on
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 3, 2020 6:52:18 GMT
On the contrary, O'Neill will have been impressed that Tom self trained and came back roaring to go. That he explicitly wants to play for us and not away on loan is exactly what O'Neill will have hoped to hear, and so, he gave him a game the other day. There will be more, but he will have to prove he's better than Smith first. Unless he is injured, his absence this week is strange with Collins playing at right back. If he is fit then that feels like MON trying to edge him out. He was awful in the Reading game both defensively and going forward - he never tried to take Charlie, who was playing left midfield, on - and that seems to have made MON's mind up. I suspect he will feel under pressure if he gets into the team so it is probably best for all parties to move on I always had the feeling that Tom appeared to struggle with pressure. It appeared like he changed his decision making in the last 10 minutes of close games. Much in the way you described much more cutting back. I’m possibly seeing things that aren’t there. I’m definitely in the camp where I think he is a truly wonderful crosser of the ball even if his assists stat doesn’t match up and would like to keep him. I’m ok with having 2 in each position, in some areas MON has brought in 3 so it would be an odd decision to go down to 1 right back.
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Post by retrostoke on Sept 3, 2020 7:09:26 GMT
Happy to accept MONs judgement. I think he knows a bit more than us to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 7:23:49 GMT
On the contrary, O'Neill will have been impressed that Tom self trained and came back roaring to go. That he explicitly wants to play for us and not away on loan is exactly what O'Neill will have hoped to hear, and so, he gave him a game the other day. There will be more, but he will have to prove he's better than Smith first. Unless he is injured, his absence this week is strange with Collins playing at right back. If he is fit then that feels like MON trying to edge him out. He was awful in the Reading game both defensively and going forward - he never tried to take Charlie, who was playing left midfield, on - and that seems to have made MON's mind up. I suspect he will feel under pressure if he gets into the team so it is probably best for all parties to move on Not having seen the game I can't say categorically that you are wrong, but reading the line up, it seemed to me that we were playing three at the back with Collins on the right side of the three. The highlights which contained a fair sampling of Collins certainly seems to suggest that he was playing in the middle, although with a license to move into some sort of midfield rambling. Or maybe he just took the freedom. There was nothing, however, to suggest he was a fullback. The key for O'Neill in relation to Edwards is to draw a line in the sand and put last season behind, to concentrate on building for the future, so that he is ready when an opportunity comes up (Edwards has accepted that he is second choice). They can both do that. Looking at the messages on here it's much harder for several supporters to similarly draw lines in the sand...
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2020 7:45:40 GMT
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Post by robstokie on Sept 3, 2020 8:02:17 GMT
Typical Stoke - get rid of a promising kid, then replace him with some old journeyman who's on twice as much looking for one last paycheck! We never seem to learn, do we?
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Post by premieraj on Sept 3, 2020 8:04:39 GMT
Nothing sounds imminent?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 3, 2020 8:26:47 GMT
So we have a painfully average and painfully expensive right back, we have a right back in the never to be seen again bomb squad, we may be looking to waste what seem exceptionally scarce resources on another right back, whilst at the same time letting our young right back go to the Premier League or a Championship rival and potentially forcing our best centre half out of position as cover at right back. Is that where we are?! Here you go again. You're the type that wants sauce on your sausage butty! Not really, just trying to keep the flies off it! I'm just worried the next time The Sentinel release a story the Smith fee will have gone up to £5M!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 8:38:54 GMT
Here you go again. You're the type that wants sauce on your sausage butty! Not really, just trying to keep the flies off it! I'm just worried the next time The Sentinel release a story the Smith fee will have gone up to £5M! 6M? What do you mean he cost 8M ? That'll teach me to blink.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 3, 2020 8:42:41 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 3, 2020 8:49:02 GMT
Typical Stoke - get rid of a promising kid, then replace him with some old journeyman who's on twice as much looking for one last paycheck! We never seem to learn, do we? Byrne is 28 Ok older than Edwards but hardly a journeyman
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Post by lordb on Sept 3, 2020 8:50:20 GMT
I think Smith is alright but £4m, ouch We should get our money back for Lyndsey, we wouldn't for Smith
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 3, 2020 9:03:28 GMT
He should be in the team. Hes done absolutely nothing to justify a starting place, absolutely nothing. For a young player hes been completely unprofessional. He’s not done anything because he’s not played? He should of been given a run in the team after tommy smith gave that penalty away at Leeds just before half time when we were still in the game, the thick fucking cunt.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 3, 2020 9:08:57 GMT
Maybe he needs a move to get going but would only be loan year for me , we need players fans can identify with and he has the potential to be very good , easy for a young lad to lose his way but the weight he seems to have lost suggests he is trying to address it and Smith does not cut above bog standard for me we could have found much better than him a lot cheaper if we had scouts
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Post by nott1 on Sept 3, 2020 9:30:54 GMT
Is he in the naughty corner?
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Post by lordb on Sept 3, 2020 9:34:46 GMT
Hes done absolutely nothing to justify a starting place, absolutely nothing. For a young player hes been completely unprofessional. He’s not done anything because he’s not played? He should of been given a run in the team after tommy smith gave that penalty away at Leeds just before half time when we were still in the game, the thick fucking cunt. Edwards didn't give the manager that choice by being unfit - outrageous behaviour - However he looks trim now, so penny appears to have dropped with him New season, new chance
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