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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 8:53:05 GMT
What's the obsession with graft? He's a bloke who sticks the ball in the back of the net if given the chance. That is literally all that should matter. The best players in the world all put a shift in. No player, no matter how talented, is beyond working hard for the team. All the most successful teams in the world are full of talent but also full of players who work hard and press all over the pitch, including those up front. We aren't good enough to have players in the team who don't put a shift in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2020 8:54:30 GMT
What's the obsession with graft? He's a bloke who sticks the ball in the back of the net if given the chance. That is literally all that should matter. The best players in the world all put a shift in. No player, no matter how talented, is beyond working hard for the team. All the most successful teams in the world are full of talent but also full of players who work hard and press all over the pitch, including those up front. We aren't good enough to have players in the team who don't put a shift in. We are and he does. It's nonsense.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 30, 2020 8:59:44 GMT
What's the obsession with graft? He's a bloke who sticks the ball in the back of the net if given the chance. That is literally all that should matter. The best players in the world all put a shift in. No player, no matter how talented, is beyond working hard for the team. All the most successful teams in the world are full of talent but also full of players who work hard and press all over the pitch, including those up front. We aren't good enough to have players in the team who don't put a shift in. I really don't know where this as come from. There is so much more to be critical of in this squad, he is literally the only the player in the squad who we know can score goals on the other hand we have players like Gregory who has mastered the art of making himself look busy while contributing very little.
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Sept 30, 2020 9:02:34 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 30, 2020 9:02:34 GMT
I wouldn't say he doesn't try, he does go missing in spells but he's young and will improve.
He obviously needs to improve his attitude though because thats what will take him to the next level, hopefully with us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2020 9:04:57 GMT
His attitude is fine.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 30, 2020 9:07:49 GMT
I wouldn't say he doesn't try, he does go missing in spells but he's young and will improve. He obviously needs to improve his attitude though because thats what will take him to the next level, hopefully with us. Other players go missing in games (i.e.Clucas) but we don't attribute that to laziness. A lot of the time Campbell isn't in the game because of poor distribution from our midfielders and so called wing backs or he is playing with a lump of stone like Vokes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2020 9:10:29 GMT
I wouldn't say he doesn't try, he does go missing in spells but he's young and will improve. He obviously needs to improve his attitude though because thats what will take him to the next level, hopefully with us. Other players go missing in games (i.e.Clucas) but we don't attribute that to laziness. A lot of the time Campbell isn't in the game because of poor distribution from our midfielders and so called wing backs or he is playing with a lump of stone like Vokes. Yeah but he isn't yer know.....
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 30, 2020 9:15:29 GMT
I wouldn't say he doesn't try, he does go missing in spells but he's young and will improve. He obviously needs to improve his attitude though because thats what will take him to the next level, hopefully with us. Other players go missing in games (i.e.Clucas) but we don't attribute that to laziness. A lot of the time Campbell isn't in the game because of poor distribution from our midfielders and so called wing backs or he is playing with a lump of stone like Vokes. Just looking... Nope, I didn't say he was lazy.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 30, 2020 9:45:33 GMT
I think we are completely in shit street FFP wise and need to find a way of getting cash in quick. Our only saleable asset is going to be the one who goes unfortunately. That will pay for the dead ducks we've signed previously.
I don't think it's a case of MON not rating him, we're just having to look at the big FFP picture.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2020 9:50:54 GMT
I think we are completely in shit street FFP wise and need to find a way of getting cash in quick. Our only saleable asset is going to be the one who goes unfortunately. That will pay for the dead ducks we've signed previously. I don't think it's a case of MON not rating him, we're just having to look at the big FFP picture. Why isn't he playing him?
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Post by robrigo on Sept 30, 2020 9:54:14 GMT
It’s quite simple.
The lad scores goals and we are a team that hasn’t scored many so far.
Get him in the team and don’t sell him.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 30, 2020 10:09:14 GMT
It’s quite simple. The lad scores goals and we are a team that hasn’t scored many so far. Get him in the team and don’t sell him. I really want Tyrese to stay, he is the hottest prospect we have and we could really build the squad around him. That being said, it isn't as simple as "dont sell him because he scores goals". If we are under financial pressure and the only way to resolve that is to sell assets then it makes sense to do so with 1 player and make £10m+ Would I be happy? No Would I be happy with a points deducation next season instead? Obviously not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 10:13:45 GMT
I read that as he needs to work harder. And just from my observations I do think he drifts out of games and doesn't always put the required graft in. He's young though and I can live with that, if MON is simply throwing down the gauntlet to him then I have no issues with it..... I agree - nothing wrong with the quotes But on the most basic level, he's started 1 of the last 6 games since the formation switch. I think he thinks his best position is playing on the right of a 3 - and that doesn't exist at the moment - and if it does re-enter the picture, he's got a new £2m signing as competition I could see him playing up in a front 2 with Fletcher as well. Things will settle down after 8/10 games I fully expect to see him here after the deadline, and if he isn't it will purely be for FFP reasons.....
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Sept 30, 2020 10:17:57 GMT
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Post by march4 on Sept 30, 2020 10:17:57 GMT
I prefer one up front - Fletcher with McLean and Campbell either side.
I don’t like this two up front which doesn’t suit Campbell.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 10:18:49 GMT
What's the obsession with graft? He's a bloke who sticks the ball in the back of the net if given the chance. That is literally all that should matter. No obsession with graft, but the best players in the world train hard and work hard as a given. The two go hand in hand.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2020 10:20:13 GMT
What's the obsession with graft? He's a bloke who sticks the ball in the back of the net if given the chance. That is literally all that should matter. No obsession with graft, but the best players in the world train hard and work hard as a given. The two go hand in hand..... And he puts it in so it's a nonsensical argument to be bought up on this thread. And if it's something the manager believes then it's the manager that needs questioning not the player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 10:21:11 GMT
I think we are completely in shit street FFP wise and need to find a way of getting cash in quick. Our only saleable asset is going to be the one who goes unfortunately. That will pay for the dead ducks we've signed previously. I don't think it's a case of MON not rating him, we're just having to look at the big FFP picture. When you look at previous clubs who have come down with players on £100k a week, no relegation clauses etc. I don't actually think we're in "shit street" I definitely think we have plenty of work to do that's obvious but we have reduced our wage bill dramatically to date....
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Post by walton corner on Sept 30, 2020 10:22:05 GMT
What is FFP at the moment.....All ..clubs are spending more money than they get in to club and losing tens/hundreds of thousands of pounds ......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 10:22:37 GMT
No obsession with graft, but the best players in the world train hard and work hard as a given. The two go hand in hand..... And he puts it in so it's a nonsensical argument to be bought up on this thread. And if it's something the manager believes then it's the manager that needs questioning not the player. I don't always thing he does though, which is why I raised it on a football forum about the player in question.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2020 10:23:58 GMT
And he puts it in so it's a nonsensical argument to be bought up on this thread. And if it's something the manager believes then it's the manager that needs questioning not the player. I don't always thing he does though, which is why I raised it on a football forum about the player in question..... And again the obsession with graft. He doesn't need to be working hard all of the time. It's nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 10:31:17 GMT
I don't always thing he does though, which is why I raised it on a football forum about the player in question..... And again the obsession with graft. He doesn't need to be working hard all of the time. It's nonsense. At the risk of repeating myself - and I know you're keen on hyperbole - I'm not "obsessed" with graft, I have however observed in my opinion that at various times during a game he doesn't work hard enough. That doesn't mean tracking back, it means pressing the centre half or full back with intensity, it means making aggressive runs into the channel, making yourself available to assist your team mate. Where I said "he needs to be working hard all of the time" I have no idea?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 30, 2020 10:34:02 GMT
I think we are completely in shit street FFP wise and need to find a way of getting cash in quick. Our only saleable asset is going to be the one who goes unfortunately. That will pay for the dead ducks we've signed previously. I don't think it's a case of MON not rating him, we're just having to look at the big FFP picture. When you look at previous clubs who have come down with players on £100k a week, no relegation clauses etc. I don't actually think we're in "shit street" I definitely think we have plenty of work to do that's obvious but we have reduced our wage bill dramatically to date.... Wages are not the issue, we have. A huge charge every year due to past transfer dealings. Rowett and Jones alone have left a legacy that will eat up over £15 m this season
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 10:47:55 GMT
When you look at previous clubs who have come down with players on £100k a week, no relegation clauses etc. I don't actually think we're in "shit street" I definitely think we have plenty of work to do that's obvious but we have reduced our wage bill dramatically to date.... Wages are not the issue, we have. A huge charge every year due to past transfer dealings. Rowett and Jones alone have left a legacy that will eat up over £15 m this season Wages are part of the issues but not all I accept that......
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 30, 2020 10:55:43 GMT
What is FFP at the moment.....All ..clubs are spending more money than they get in to club and losing tens/hundreds of thousands of pounds ...... Good question. And very relevant to clubs outside of the premiership as match day revenue is such a massive part of their revenue stream. At the very least the lost gate revenues and club shop sales etc need to be accounted for.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 30, 2020 11:07:53 GMT
What spin, it would go like this, we got a very good offer for him and the manager decided it was good enough, job done. We shouldn't be selling him though but given the idiotic set up we're going for at the min his best position imo (right side) doesn't exist so its hard to see him being overly happy with how things are going. It would be laughable to let him go and after his bullshit yesterday I'd put nothing beyond Scholes in terms of spinning it. It won't be his decision if he does go, if the manager wants to keep him he'll stay bar any stupid offer.
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Sept 30, 2020 12:19:57 GMT
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Post by walton corner on Sept 30, 2020 12:19:57 GMT
When he signed new contract ...I said it was just to command a higher fee than someone who only has a year left and was agreed by both parties he could leave if a certain bid comes in ......personally I don’t think it will be a big as not hit potential yet and I don’t think he ever will ....to laid back on pitch for me ......hope he proves me wrong though and in stokes colours .....we shall see
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Sept 30, 2020 12:25:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 12:25:47 GMT
The best players in the world all put a shift in. No player, no matter how talented, is beyond working hard for the team. All the most successful teams in the world are full of talent but also full of players who work hard and press all over the pitch, including those up front. We aren't good enough to have players in the team who don't put a shift in. I really don't know where this as come from. There is so much more to be critical of in this squad, he is literally the only the player in the squad who we know can score goals on the other hand we have players like Gregory who has mastered the art of making himself look busy while contributing very little. I wasn't questioning Campbell. I'd start him every game. I was replying to Bayern's comment, which is bollocks.
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Sept 30, 2020 12:26:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 12:26:38 GMT
The best players in the world all put a shift in. No player, no matter how talented, is beyond working hard for the team. All the most successful teams in the world are full of talent but also full of players who work hard and press all over the pitch, including those up front. We aren't good enough to have players in the team who don't put a shift in. We are and he does. It's nonsense. I'd start Campbell every game. I was addressing your comment. Which is nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 12:27:59 GMT
I wouldn't say he doesn't try, he does go missing in spells but he's young and will improve. He obviously needs to improve his attitude though because thats what will take him to the next level, hopefully with us. Other players go missing in games (i.e.Clucas) but we don't attribute that to laziness. A lot of the time Campbell isn't in the game because of poor distribution from our midfielders and so called wing backs or he is playing with a lump of stone like Vokes. Don't agree with that. He waits for the ball to come to feet and allows defenders way too often to dominate him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2020 12:29:09 GMT
We are and he does. It's nonsense. I'd start Campbell every game. I was addressing your comment. Which is nonsense. It isn't. Stoke fans in particular seem to have an obsession with it and seem to value it over quite a lot of things.
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