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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 29, 2020 17:22:12 GMT
Bit of a Campbell chat in Pete Smith's facebook chat, about 20 minutes in.... Think he makes a good point that it'd be a brave sale - but also a brave purchase, given what he'd cost and the fact he's still relatively unproven despite his obvious talent. I think it would be an even braver replacement purchase by us. MONs personal stock would be on the line if the money wasn't spent wisely. Yeah - very much so! It'd certainly raise the stakes for MON, and be our most controversial sale in a few years, for sure. Only he will know what he really thinks of him, having worked closely with him for nearly a year. But certainly the easy option, regardless, would be to roll with Tyrese for the foreseeable future. If he's soured on him, though, who knows? To shake things up dramatically would be a bold move - but, let's face it, selling him is the only way we're going to get £10m, and a bit of financial leeway in our dealings, into the club any time soon. If we're going to play wing-backs and it's going to be Fletcher plus one up front, with Campbell a more peripheral figure (and he'll be another on big money), maybe he thinks he can pull it off? Will there be a queue of clubs offering 8 figures for him though? We surely wouldn't consider it for less
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 29, 2020 18:03:20 GMT
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 29, 2020 18:11:01 GMT
A £40k a week contract apparently, maybe MON is having second thoughts on that type of commitment.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 29, 2020 18:16:24 GMT
A £40k a week contract apparently, maybe MON is having second thoughts on that type of commitment. Yeah - it'll be very sizeable, won't it? Think I heard £35,000, which massively shocked me - but it would have had to be at the top end of market value to have interested him last winter. Either way a lot if MON doesn't see him as central and there are possible takers......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 18:42:37 GMT
Getting a decent price would enable us to get Rid Of (due to FFP) Butland Ince Bauer Wimmer And a couple of others (insert your own) I think I would if I’m being honest If you had a shiny new car on the drive would you sell it so that you could give away the five bangers in the garage......no if they paid above the odds of course
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Post by march4 on Sept 29, 2020 18:58:04 GMT
I fear we need to sell one or two due to FFP.
Butland and Ince are the obvious ones but if they don’t sign for someone else I can see the likes of Campbell, McClean and Powell going instead. More so if we can’t get Wimmer and Bauer off the payroll.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 29, 2020 20:02:21 GMT
They're going to cash in on Campbell now aren't they?
I can feel it. Certain of it.
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Post by dastokie on Sept 29, 2020 20:05:40 GMT
They're going to cash in on Campbell now aren't they? I can feel it. Certain of it. Good and good riddance thinks hes better than he really is Brown offers more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 20:21:12 GMT
They're going to cash in on Campbell now aren't they? I can feel it. Certain of it. Yes I think they are too.
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Post by daz2631 on Sept 29, 2020 20:27:05 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if they did only problem with this is he's the most natural finisher we've got in squad none of us no if brown is capable of scoring the goals that Campbell will score and judging by his record at Barnsley I doubt he will
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 29, 2020 20:28:59 GMT
They're going to cash in on Campbell now aren't they? I can feel it. Certain of it. Yes I think they are too. I think they'd be open to it - but are there buyers out there who'll pay £10m+ for him? Bournemouth maybe, especially if they sell King - but would they float his boat particularly? Palace and Sheff Utd are supposedly interested in Brewster at about £17m - so whoever doesn't get him may have some interest - but whether they'd think he was the same level of prospect, worth ten plus, and ready to go in the Prem, who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 20:30:30 GMT
Yes I think they are too. I think they'd be open to it - but are there buyers out there who'll pay £10m+ for him? Bournemouth maybe, especially if they sell King - but would they float his boat particularly? Palace and Sheff Utd are supposedly interested in Brewster at about £17m - so whoever doesn't get him may have some interest - but whether they'd think he was the same level of prospect, worth ten plus, and ready to go in the Prem, who knows? My fear is that FFP is dictating to us that we sell him for less than that, maybe 5-7.5M.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 29, 2020 20:39:55 GMT
I think for a number of reasons we need to sell someone for a few million quid - Jack was our banker, but that situation has been woefully mishandled these past 2 years when we could have gotten 18-20m for him not so long ago. I can see him sitting on the bench and going for free next summer now, or for a couple of million in January if we are lucky.
Of our saleable assets, that leaves the kiddies, but only really Tye is of sufficient potential value in the market right now to make it worth our while. I fear we may be prepared to do a deal at 7-8m and then bring in Sturridge to placate fans.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 29, 2020 20:41:39 GMT
I think they'd be open to it - but are there buyers out there who'll pay £10m+ for him? Bournemouth maybe, especially if they sell King - but would they float his boat particularly? Palace and Sheff Utd are supposedly interested in Brewster at about £17m - so whoever doesn't get him may have some interest - but whether they'd think he was the same level of prospect, worth ten plus, and ready to go in the Prem, who knows? My fear is that FFP is dictating to us that we sell him for less than that, maybe 5-7.5M. Yeah - think anything approaching 15 would be a total no-brainer in our situation. There'd be a lot of pissed off people if they sold him for anything around 10- but maybe MON could sell it. Realistically, can't see anything significantly more than that. Not sure they could put much of a gloss on it at all if it was closer to 5. Would they dare risk a sale of 7-8? Don't know....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 20:54:36 GMT
They're going to cash in on Campbell now aren't they? I can feel it. Certain of it. Good and good riddance thinks hes better than he really is Brown offers more. Brown is nowhere near as good a finisher. Nowhere near.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 29, 2020 20:57:18 GMT
Brown is not a finisher at all.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 29, 2020 20:57:56 GMT
I think Brown would be great on the right in a front 3.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 29, 2020 21:04:40 GMT
Campbell kept us up last season. We should be starting him in every league game in a 4-2-3-1.
He's an outstanding prospect and worth as much as Brewster.
If he's sold for less than 15 million that would be a joke, there is barely anyone out there showing what he is at 20 years old
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 29, 2020 21:05:41 GMT
They're going to cash in on Campbell now aren't they? I can feel it. Certain of it. Good and good riddance thinks hes better than he really is Brown offers more. Campbell is a far more gifted player. He's a huge prospect.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 30, 2020 0:13:39 GMT
It would almost be worth it for the spin Comical Tone would put on it. He's probably blame Typhoid Mary. What spin, it would go like this, we got a very good offer for him and the manager decided it was good enough, job done. We shouldn't be selling him though but given the idiotic set up we're going for at the min his best position imo (right side) doesn't exist so its hard to see him being overly happy with how things are going.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 30, 2020 0:15:47 GMT
They're going to cash in on Campbell now aren't they? I can feel it. Certain of it. Good and good riddance thinks hes better than he really is Brown offers more. Brown isn't a natural goal scorer and from what we've seen Campbell seems just that, they don't come along very often.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 30, 2020 2:21:47 GMT
Must be true if Bayern has said it then 🤔 Indeed... But for as long as it seems he's not completely central to MON's thinking and there are biggish money links out there, there's going to be speculation in this era of FFP which leaves us with one arm tied behind our backs. It's fairly clear he's one of only a very limited number of players we could get a decent amount for. I certainly hope he stays On your point about current player value I would estimate around 75% of total player value is tied up to the current youngsters breaking through. Campbell, Souttar, Collins, TOB, Tymon, plus Verlinden possibly Sorensen, Broome(gk) Bursik(gk)
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 30, 2020 4:32:25 GMT
I'm gonna be fookin furious if we have to let go of Tye.
I'd even be happier to lose McClean or Clucas, two of our best players last season.
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Post by questionable on Sept 30, 2020 5:46:07 GMT
Without doubt he’s the most “natural” goal scorer we have but does MON need/accommodate a player like that in his plans, seems that he’s more of a Vokes/Fletcher type player and more for the physical and direct demands of this league with games coming thick and fast.
It’s a big risk to even contemplate letting him go but I’ve seen nothing from the team so far that resembles a promotion contender, it’ll go a long way to indicate the owners intentions.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2020 7:51:41 GMT
It would almost be worth it for the spin Comical Tone would put on it. He's probably blame Typhoid Mary. What spin, it would go like this, we got a very good offer for him and the manager decided it was good enough, job done. We shouldn't be selling him though but given the idiotic set up we're going for at the min his best position imo (right side) doesn't exist so its hard to see him being overly happy with how things are going. It would be laughable to let him go and after his bullshit yesterday I'd put nothing beyond Scholes in terms of spinning it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 30, 2020 8:09:08 GMT
I'd be very sad to see him go because he's obviously the most exciting young player we've had coming through for years. But it is a fact he was largely left out, post-lockdown MON does seem to have soured on him a bit he's on a big contract he's only started 1 league game this season it is going to be Fletcher plus one when we play 2 up front (with a lot of competition to be that plus one) and if we were to go 4-2-3-1, Fletcher would be the one - and we've paid £2m for Brown who would expect to figure a lot on the right. ...and we're in a bit of a hole FFP-wise which has left us scrambling down the back of the sofa. I think he's a top prospect - but it's hard to believe we wouldn't be open to a big bid with that as the context? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-tyrese-campbell-4509250“Game time depends on performance,” he said. “It’s not handed out just for the sake of it.
“We have a responsibility and we want to see players develop. Players have a responsibility to put themselves in the frame to play and that applies to all the young players.
“We’ve been very pleased with Tyrese for a lot of the time we’ve been at the club. Post-lockdown he ended up not being a starting player in the team and he has to address that.
“There are aspects of his game he needs to improve on but he’s got an immense talent, we all know that, and he’s done well in pre-season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 8:16:14 GMT
I'd be very sad to see him go because he's obviously the most exciting young player we've had coming through for years. But it is a fact he was largely left out, post-lockdown MON does seem to have soured on him a bit he's on a big contract he's only started 1 league game this season it is going to be Fletcher plus one when we play 2 up front (with lot of competition to be that plus one) and if we were to go 4-2-3-1, Fletcher would be the one - and we've paid £2m for Brown who would expect to figure a lot on the right. ...and we're in a bit of a hole FFP-wise which has left us scrambling down the back of the sofa. I think he's a top prospect - but it's hard to believe we wouldn't be open to a big bid with that as the context? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-tyrese-campbell-4509250“Game time depends on performance,” he said. “It’s not handed out just for the sake of it.
“We have a responsibility and we want to see players develop. Players have a responsibility to put themselves in the frame to play and that applies to all the young players.
“We’ve been very pleased with Tyrese for a lot of the time we’ve been at the club. Post-lockdown he ended up not being a starting player in the team and he has to address that.
“There are aspects of his game he needs to improve on but he’s got an immense talent, we all know that, and he’s done well in pre-season.I read that as he needs to work harder. And just from my observations I do think he drifts out of games and doesn't always put the required graft in. He's young though and I can live with that, if MON is simply throwing down the gauntlet to him then I have no issues with it.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 30, 2020 8:23:19 GMT
I'd be very sad to see him go because he's obviously the most exciting young player we've had coming through for years. But it is a fact he was largely left out, post-lockdown MON does seem to have soured on him a bit he's on a big contract he's only started 1 league game this season it is going to be Fletcher plus one when we play 2 up front (with lot of competition to be that plus one) and if we were to go 4-2-3-1, Fletcher would be the one - and we've paid £2m for Brown who would expect to figure a lot on the right. ...and we're in a bit of a hole FFP-wise which has left us scrambling down the back of the sofa. I think he's a top prospect - but it's hard to believe we wouldn't be open to a big bid with that as the context? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-tyrese-campbell-4509250“Game time depends on performance,” he said. “It’s not handed out just for the sake of it.
“We have a responsibility and we want to see players develop. Players have a responsibility to put themselves in the frame to play and that applies to all the young players.
“We’ve been very pleased with Tyrese for a lot of the time we’ve been at the club. Post-lockdown he ended up not being a starting player in the team and he has to address that.
“There are aspects of his game he needs to improve on but he’s got an immense talent, we all know that, and he’s done well in pre-season.I read that as he needs to work harder. And just from my observations I do think he drifts out of games and doesn't always put the required graft in. He's young though and I can live with that, if MON is simply throwing down the gauntlet to him then I have no issues with it..... I agree - nothing wrong with the quotes But on the most basic level, he's started 1 of the last 6 games since the formation switch. I think he thinks his best position is playing on the right of a 3 - and that doesn't exist at the moment - and if it does re-enter the picture, he's got a new £2m signing as competition
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2020 8:25:58 GMT
I dunno. There's one part of the quotes I have a bit of trouble with....
'“Game time depends on performance'
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2020 8:48:43 GMT
What's the obsession with graft?
He's a bloke who sticks the ball in the back of the net if given the chance. That is literally all that should matter.
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