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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 20, 2020 14:52:36 GMT
Couldn't Leganes just tell them to fuck off and he's not being sold? EDIT: just realised it was a buyout clause Yeah so for 16m quid - peanuts to them - a team with arguably the most talent-rich youth system in the world to draw on has been allowed to buy themselves out of a partially self-inflicted injury crisis and transfer the problem wholesale to a team at the bottom of the table, who are now not allowed to replace their most important player who they could have had no clue whatsoever they were going to lose. Proper mind-boggling Formerly, La Masia is falling apart. The U-21 Euros last year was the first ever to not feature a single Barcelona player. I've got no sympathy with this ridiculous judgement though, as similar to the injury crisis, the decline of La Masia is entirely self-inflicted by the board.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 20, 2020 14:56:31 GMT
Yeah so for 16m quid - peanuts to them - a team with arguably the most talent-rich youth system in the world to draw on has been allowed to buy themselves out of a partially self-inflicted injury crisis and transfer the problem wholesale to a team at the bottom of the table, who are now not allowed to replace their most important player who they could have had no clue whatsoever they were going to lose. Proper mind-boggling Formerly, La Masia is falling apart. The U-21 Euros last year was the first ever to not feature a single Barcelona player. I've got no sympathy with this ridiculous judgement though, as similar to the injury crisis, the decline of La Masia is entirely self-inflicted by the board. I had that feeling which is why I qualified it with "arguably". I think the point stands though, I have the feeling they probably have a young forward or two they could chuck in if necessary!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 20, 2020 14:58:51 GMT
Formerly, La Masia is falling apart. The U-21 Euros last year was the first ever to not feature a single Barcelona player. I've got no sympathy with this ridiculous judgement though, as similar to the injury crisis, the decline of La Masia is entirely self-inflicted by the board. I had that feeling which is why I qualified it with "arguably". I think the point stands though, I have the feeling they probably have a young forward or two they could chuck in if necessary! Yeah it's ridiculous either way tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 15:24:15 GMT
A little off-topic obviously, but the player that Tony Pulis described as the worst professional he had ever encountered, Martin Braithwaite, has just signed a 3½ year contract with FC Barcelona.
Yes, that FC Barcelona.
To the tune of £15M. He had been impressing for near rivals, Leganes, apparently, and with injuries to Dembele, Suarez and others, and Messi having failed to score for the last 6 weeks, something had to be done.
There's a special rule in Spain, can't quite explain the details of it, but it allows a club with sufficient injuries to sign somebody outside the transfer window in la Liga. He can't play for them in the Champions League, but he could be the man who scores the winning goal vs Real in the league. Or he could be the biggest bomb out in football ever.
The next few months will show whether Pulis was right or not.
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Post by harryh157 on Feb 20, 2020 15:40:31 GMT
Not necessarily as he didn’t say he was a rubbish footballer; just a rubbish professional for slagging off boro while away on Loan or international duty whilst being their best paid player.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 20, 2020 15:58:06 GMT
So Verlinden is out for 6 months - who do we sign?
Oh, sorry, I forgot, this is not Spain and we are not Barcelona.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 20, 2020 16:06:23 GMT
So Verlinden is out for 6 months - who do we sign? Oh, sorry, I forgot, this is not Spain and we are not Barcelona. circa 2015 we would have been allowed
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 20, 2020 16:06:23 GMT
Martin Braithwaite sounds like a clogger who plays in midfield for Accrington Stanley.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 20, 2020 16:20:01 GMT
What's with the enormous buyout clause? Is that literally just to stop the (extremely unlikely) possibility of another team coming and doing the same to them in the next three months?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 20, 2020 16:36:12 GMT
What's with the enormous buyout clause? Is that literally just to stop the (extremely unlikely) possibility of another team coming and doing the same to them in the next three months?
Yep.
Clubs like them can do it, after all why would a player insist on a lower buyout clause so he can move on and progress his career in the future when he's already at Barca?
Try getting players to agree to a 250mill buyout clause when they're at a club like Leganes or Mallorca though!
Basically they've tailored their rules (mandatory release clauses and emergency transfers, where the selling club has no say because of the mandatory release clause built in) specifically to cater for the big boys and sod everyone else.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 20, 2020 16:40:59 GMT
What's with the enormous buyout clause? Is that literally just to stop the (extremely unlikely) possibility of another team coming and doing the same to them in the next three months? Yep. Clubs like them can do it, after all why would a player insist on a lower buyout clause so he can move on and progress his career in the future when he's already at Barca? Try getting players to agree to a 250mill buyout clause when they're at a club like Leganes or Mallorca though! Basically they've tailored their rules (mandatory release clauses and emergency transfers, where the selling club has no say because of the mandatory release clause built in) specifically to cater for the big boys and sod everyone else.
Apart from which it raises the absolutely insane possibility that, in the event that they just stuck the buyout clause at 20m or whatever, another club befalling the same injury fate could come straight in and get that player from Barca. What then? Barca get the opportunity to sign someone else presumably? What an absolutely ridiculous state of affairs that rule is.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 20, 2020 16:53:12 GMT
Yep. Clubs like them can do it, after all why would a player insist on a lower buyout clause so he can move on and progress his career in the future when he's already at Barca? Try getting players to agree to a 250mill buyout clause when they're at a club like Leganes or Mallorca though! Basically they've tailored their rules (mandatory release clauses and emergency transfers, where the selling club has no say because of the mandatory release clause built in) specifically to cater for the big boys and sod everyone else.
Apart from which it raises the absolutely insane possibility that, in the event that they just stuck the buyout clause at 20m or whatever, another club befalling the same injury fate could come straight in and get that player from Barca. What then? Barca get the opportunity to sign someone else presumably? What an absolutely ridiculous state of affairs that rule is.
Yep and that's precisely why the big clubs put ludicrous buyout clauses in.
If smaller clubs try to do it, the player just won't sign as there's less likelihood of them getting signed to bigger clubs and moving up the career ladder if it's a ridiculous amount. When you're at THE big club, the player's happy enough to sit there, take the wage of the world's biggest club and never play or move anywhere else anyway so will agree to any unbelievably high release clause.
Barca sign a player for 16mill, bang on a release clause of 250mill (so no-one can do it to them) and Leganes lose their top scorer because they can't say no as Barca met the fee, and they also can't replace him because they don't have any players who are injured for more than 5 months, so don't qualify for an emergency transfer.
It can't be just a coincidence that the Spanish FA decided to instigate rules for emergency transfers, mandatory release clauses and then include no upper limit on what the buyout clause can be.
I know we have plenty of conspiracy theories over here about how the FA favour the top clubs, but this isn't even a conspiracy theory...they've literally built their rules around ensuring their big clubs (and commercially speaking, their brands) stay at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 17:03:02 GMT
Leganes have been denied the ability to replace Braithwaite... This fucks me off so much, of all the teams that would need the ability to replace players surely it is those at the foot of the table who don't have the depth that clubs like Barcelona have. It's honestly fucking ridiculous I hate Barca. It's UEFA that is corrupt. Barca are just taking advantage of it. Who wouldn't? I wonder if Spuds are applying for the same rule bending? If they did they wouldn't get it. For once this has nothing to do with UEFA. Btw I'm sorry hadn't seen this thread when I posted my own. I don't think Barcelona can cover themselves in any glory here. They sign a man who was on a free not long for £15M, a man who's a virtual nobody except to his former clubs and his country. Barca could have signed a class player, on a level just below Messi, Eriksen from Spurs on a free in the summer or negotiated their way to a similar sum in the past window. This would have suited Eriksen, as he's a boyhood fan of Barca. Now they've signed a player who's a boyhood fan of Real Madrid...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 17:06:02 GMT
So Verlinden is out for 6 months - who do we sign? Oh, sorry, I forgot, this is not Spain and we are not Barcelona. Even if we were, it would be a little hard to argue that a player, who hasn't played full game for us yet, is essentiel to our team, notwithstanding that some of us thinks he is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 17:08:53 GMT
That's our own fault. We very nearly were.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 20, 2020 17:13:05 GMT
I think it's absolutely fair that they've been allowed to sign him as an 'emergency'.
What are they expected to do, just cope with Messi and Griezmann up there for 3 months?!
A 4.5 year deal seems a but overkill?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 20, 2020 17:19:58 GMT
I think it's absolutely fair that they've been allowed to sign him as an 'emergency'. What are they expected to do, just cope with Messi and Griezmann up there for 3 months?! A 4.5 year deal seems a but overkill? Emergency transfers
EFL rules: Only applies to goalkeepers Can only be a short term loan and must be agreed by both clubs Can only happen if you have literally no professional goalkeepers that are able to play (i.e. an emergency)
Spanish rules: Any player in any position
Permanent transfer that the selling club have no choice in, if the release clause is met You can still have several players in the same position available in the squad to replace him, but you just fancy someone a bit more experienced you say? Fine, nick one of their players instead (i.e. not an emergency by fucking anyone's description, you cheating bastards)
Fucking crazy!
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 20, 2020 17:31:26 GMT
I think it's absolutely fair that they've been allowed to sign him as an 'emergency'. What are they expected to do, just cope with Messi and Griezmann up there for 3 months?! A 4.5 year deal seems a but overkill? Emergency transfers EFL rules: Only applies to goalkeepers Can only be a short term loan and must be agreed by both clubs Can only happen if you have literally no professional goalkeepers that are able to play (i.e. an emergency)
Spanish rules: Any player in any position
Permanent transfer that the selling club have no choice in, if the release clause is met You can still have several players in the same position available in the squad to replace him, but you just fancy someone a bit more experienced you say? Fine, nick one of their players instead (i.e. not an emergency by fucking anyone's description, you cheating bastards)
Fucking crazy!
The same rules should surely apply to all nations covered by UEFA?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 20, 2020 17:37:54 GMT
Emergency transfers EFL rules: Only applies to goalkeepers Can only be a short term loan and must be agreed by both clubs Can only happen if you have literally no professional goalkeepers that are able to play (i.e. an emergency)
Spanish rules: Any player in any position
Permanent transfer that the selling club have no choice in, if the release clause is met You can still have several players in the same position available in the squad to replace him, but you just fancy someone a bit more experienced you say? Fine, nick one of their players instead (i.e. not an emergency by fucking anyone's description, you cheating bastards)
Fucking crazy!
The same rules should surely apply to all nations covered by UEFA? Nope. Each football association set their own rules regarding transfers of this type. This matter has nothing to do with FIFA or UEFA (as has been explained a couple on the previous page)
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 20, 2020 18:07:01 GMT
I think it's absolutely fair that they've been allowed to sign him as an 'emergency'. What are they expected to do, just cope with Messi and Griezmann up there for 3 months?! A 4.5 year deal seems a but overkill? Presumably that’s a sweetener for the player, given that he’ll be basically sacrificing his playing career for this move. Never going to play more than a handful of games (or minutes even)... which makes the whole thing even more ridiculous
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Post by mattador78 on Feb 20, 2020 18:13:35 GMT
Domestically ? Themselves obviously otherwise the same emergency rule would apply to all leagues. A bit like how the premier league brought forward the transfer deadline this year, that was a rule change by our FA and only effected our leagues. Mate you're right but Shirley UEFA introduced the transfer window and therefore set a broad framework ie whatever dates the domestic leagues set then no transfers allowed outside those parameters. Therefore you would assume that UEFA must have sanctioned this transfer outside the Spanish window. If not why don't all the other leagues cheat like this?
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 20, 2020 18:18:59 GMT
The same rules should surely apply to all nations covered by UEFA? Nope. Each football association set their own rules regarding transfers of this type. This matter has nothing to do with FIFA or UEFA (as has been explained a couple on the previous page) I get that they don't, but they should! Even though he cannot play in European competition, by playing him in the league and resting a player who can play in Europe, Barca are gaining an advantage over the opposition who cannot do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 18:40:00 GMT
Like it or not is a rule in La Liga and Barca haven't broken any rules. It isn't a case of changing or bending laws or one rule for Barca and one for the rest. Personally don't agree with it but the way it is
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 18:41:05 GMT
So Verlinden is out for 6 months - who do we sign? Oh, sorry, I forgot, this is not Spain and we are not Barcelona. Or the rule doesn't exist in our country.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 18:48:20 GMT
The rest of La Liga should just down tools in protest unless the decision is reversed.
Barcelona may be a powerful organisation but if they have no fucker to play against there’s not a lot they can do.....
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Post by samstokie1 on Feb 20, 2020 18:50:09 GMT
there is always something dodgy involving spanish clubs and players there, whether its stuff like this or biased refs or tax evasion
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 20, 2020 18:52:15 GMT
The rest of La Liga should just down tools in protest unless the decision is reversed. Barcelona may be a powerful organisation but if they have no fucker to play against there’s not a lot they can do..... It's one of the rules of the Spanish FA that they sign up to in the first place. Any other La Liga team in their position is also allowed to do it on paper, they just don't tend to have the finances to allow them to in practice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 18:52:16 GMT
The rest of La Liga should just down tools in protest unless the decision is reversed. Barcelona may be a powerful organisation but if they have no fucker to play against there’s not a lot they can do..... Until a decision within La Liga rules is reversed? Barca aren't the first club to do this in La Liga and no rules have been changed or broken. Was no big fuss when smaller clubs did it
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 20, 2020 20:12:18 GMT
What's with the enormous buyout clause? Is that literally just to stop the (extremely unlikely) possibility of another team coming and doing the same to them in the next three months? Yep. Clubs like them can do it, after all why would a player insist on a lower buyout clause so he can move on and progress his career in the future when he's already at Barca? Try getting players to agree to a 250mill buyout clause when they're at a club like Leganes or Mallorca though! Basically they've tailored their rules (mandatory release clauses and emergency transfers, where the selling club has no say because of the mandatory release clause built in) specifically to cater for the big boys and sod everyone else.
www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6970567/release-clause-la-liga-spain-chelsea-kepa-neymar/Thats not actually the case although it does actually help the bigger clubs, its spanish law that any employee can buy out their contract and move jobs so if there was no buyout clause the player would just have to pay up his wages and then could leave so they put buyout clauses in to get a transfer fee.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 20, 2020 21:13:30 GMT
Yep. Clubs like them can do it, after all why would a player insist on a lower buyout clause so he can move on and progress his career in the future when he's already at Barca? Try getting players to agree to a 250mill buyout clause when they're at a club like Leganes or Mallorca though! Basically they've tailored their rules (mandatory release clauses and emergency transfers, where the selling club has no say because of the mandatory release clause built in) specifically to cater for the big boys and sod everyone else.
www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6970567/release-clause-la-liga-spain-chelsea-kepa-neymar/Thats not actually the case although it does actually help the bigger clubs, its spanish law that any employee can buy out their contract and move jobs so if there was no buyout clause the player would just have to pay up his wages and then could leave so they put buyout clauses in to get a transfer fee. It's more the fact that there's no apparent cap on the release clause that's the problem. As it says in that article, it's supposed to be proportionate with the player's wages, but there's no way that Braithwaite's wages over 4.5 years can justify a 250mill release clause. They've set that simply so no-one can do it back or so no other club can guarantee to buy him in the summer, as Demebele won't be back by the start of next season so they may still need him. As you say, it all still favours the big clubs. It just makes it far easier for the bigger fish to cherry pick the best and stockpile players as and when they want.
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