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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 23, 2020 18:06:14 GMT
Any chance we could cut him some slack? He’s had a pretty horrific year and maybe it will take him some time to get his head sorted and back in the game. Thousands of people have had horrific year but if they continue to be shit at there job chances are they will eventually get sacked That’s absolute bollocks. He’s played two friendlies in a couple of weeks. Fucks sake.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 23, 2020 18:09:14 GMT
More and more. Every day. I love Michael O’Neill in every possible (non gay - though there’s obviously nothing wrong with that) way.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Aug 24, 2020 11:52:57 GMT
10 times worse than rowett. As were a few more. No, he inherited a terrible squad, with rock bottom morale, because of Rowett, who had squandered 50 million quid. Rowett did far more damage to this club than Jones Regardless of what I think about Rowett, I don't think we would have ended up in the situation we were in had we have kept him until the end of the season and sacked him then. I by in no means particularly liked him as a person or his football however, as someone said above, he got them playing. Jones came in and added more players to the mix and made the squad size an even bigger problem. I really liked Jones and wanted him to do well, but his record speaks for itself and had we kept him in charge, it's highly likely we'd be playing in league 1 next season. I don't particularly believe its any one persons fault in particular. It's a collective of fuck ups.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 24, 2020 11:58:09 GMT
No, he inherited a terrible squad, with rock bottom morale, because of Rowett, who had squandered 50 million quid. Rowett did far more damage to this club than Jones Regardless of what I think about Rowett, I don't think we would have ended up in the situation we were in had we have kept him until the end of the season and sacked him then. I by in no means particularly liked him as a person or his football however, as someone said above, he got them playing. Jones came in and added more players to the mix and made the squad size an even bigger problem. I really liked Jones and wanted him to do well, but his record speaks for itself and had we kept him in charge, it's highly likely we'd be playing in league 1 next season. I don't particularly believe its any one persons fault in particular. It's a collective of fuck ups. Overseen by a collective of fuck up's.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2020 12:05:00 GMT
Thousands of people have had horrific year but if they continue to be shit at there job chances are they will eventually get sacked That’s absolute bollocks. He’s played two friendlies in a couple of weeks. Fucks sake. I get where you are coming from but football is a competitive, cut-throat environment. Anyone with a heart would feel for Afobe and his family but that has to be separate to his ability as a footballer. Truth is, he was crap for us when he signed, he went to Bristol, scored a couple of tap ins, got injured, came back and did very little. He's played in 2 friendly games and been pretty useless in both. At some point in time, we'll have to stop making excuses for him, accept he's rubbish and attempt to move him on. Hopefully we can get someone to take him off our hands pretty soon.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 24, 2020 12:47:06 GMT
That’s absolute bollocks. He’s played two friendlies in a couple of weeks. Fucks sake. I get where you are coming from but football is a competitive, cut-throat environment. Anyone with a heart would feel for Afobe and his family but that has to be separate to his ability as a footballer. Truth is, he was crap for us when he signed, he went to Bristol, scored a couple of tap ins, got injured, came back and did very little. He's played in 2 friendly games and been pretty useless in both. At some point in time, we'll have to stop making excuses for him, accept he's rubbish and attempt to move him on. Hopefully we can get someone to take him off our hands pretty soon. Absolutely, he's not much use to us unless we play 2 up top which doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon. He needs to go.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 24, 2020 15:33:39 GMT
That’s absolute bollocks. He’s played two friendlies in a couple of weeks. Fucks sake. I get where you are coming from but football is a competitive, cut-throat environment. Anyone with a heart would feel for Afobe and his family but that has to be separate to his ability as a footballer. Truth is, he was crap for us when he signed, he went to Bristol, scored a couple of tap ins, got injured, came back and did very little. He's played in 2 friendly games and been pretty useless in both. At some point in time, we'll have to stop making excuses for him, accept he's rubbish and attempt to move him on. Hopefully we can get someone to take him off our hands pretty soon. [/quote He’s been disappointing no doubt. But I do think there’s a player in there. He’s strong and quick in the right position. I wouldn’t be writing him off just yet and O’Neill strikes me as the kind of manager who can work wonders with an arm around the shoulder.
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Post by questionable on Aug 24, 2020 15:54:52 GMT
As stated Benik has had a horrendously bad 12 months or so and my heart goes out to him but minutes on the pitch won’t make him a better footballer whatsoever.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 24, 2020 15:57:05 GMT
As I've said before, we should sell if we can, he's over priced and imo not particually great anyway.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2020 15:57:29 GMT
I get where you are coming from but football is a competitive, cut-throat environment. Anyone with a heart would feel for Afobe and his family but that has to be separate to his ability as a footballer. Truth is, he was crap for us when he signed, he went to Bristol, scored a couple of tap ins, got injured, came back and did very little. He's played in 2 friendly games and been pretty useless in both. At some point in time, we'll have to stop making excuses for him, accept he's rubbish and attempt to move him on. Hopefully we can get someone to take him off our hands pretty soon. [/quote He’s been disappointing no doubt. But I do think there’s a player in there. He’s strong and quick in the right position. I wouldn’t be writing him off just yet and O’Neill strikes me as the kind of manager who can work wonders with an arm around the shoulder. O'Neil has spoken like he can get a tune out of Ince as well and we also know that is an impossibility. Afobe will be the same. Quite simply, he isn't very good.
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Post by daviddunn on Aug 24, 2020 16:19:47 GMT
Ok why keep blaming the strikers ,were to slow in our build up especially when Ince plays ,that apart from corners its difficult for us to get into box so Diouf ,Afobe Vokes ,Gregory Hogan ,and then there's Fletcher and Campbell ,are these all crap or is it we need to create more chances for them with a right winger who has a right foot who can hit the by line to at least get our strikers in the box
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2020 16:52:40 GMT
Ok why keep blaming the strikers ,were to slow in our build up especially when Ince plays ,that apart from corners its difficult for us to get into box so Diouf ,Afobe Vokes ,Gregory Hogan ,and then there's Fletcher and Campbell ,are these all crap or is it we need to create more chances for them with a right winger who has a right foot who can hit the by line to at least get our strikers in the box With the sitters he missed Gregory should have had 15 goals minimum last season. He didn't because he's crap as well, as are vokes and hogan.
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 24, 2020 17:03:59 GMT
Fletcher is a much better footballer than Vokes though Dave?
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 24, 2020 17:04:15 GMT
Fletcher is a much better footballer than Vokes though Dave?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 24, 2020 18:25:40 GMT
Afobe's movement off the ball is actually very good - problem is no-one is picking his runs. He needs players to get on his wavelength.
I don't think he's a lone or central striker where he's expected to play back to goal but I think he could come good as one of the wide players in a tucked in front 3 - maybe with Fletcher central. He makes some nice runs off the shoulder of the central defenders - he needs someone to lay it off quickly in front of him to get him in on goal.
O'Neill thinks he's got something to work with - it will be interesting to see how he's used.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2020 18:35:02 GMT
Fletcher is a much better footballer than Vokes though Dave? No arguments from me on that one.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 24, 2020 18:57:27 GMT
Afobe's movement off the ball is actually very good - problem is no-one is picking his runs. He needs players to get on his wavelength. I don't think he's a lone or central striker where he's expected to play back to goal but I think he could come good as one of the wide players in a tucked in front 3 - maybe with Fletcher central. He makes some nice runs off the shoulder of the central defenders - he needs someone to lay it off quickly in front of him to get him in on goal. O'Neill thinks he's got something to work with - it will be interesting to see how he's used. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks his movement off the ball is generally quite decent. I thought that in his spell with us before. The distribution in the friendly against Burton was poor and he's not yet match fit. I'm not saying he's a great player, but these are things to consider before writing him off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 19:05:37 GMT
I must be missing this good movement from Afobe?
All I saw on Saturday was a reactive striker reacting to balls being put in his general direction and on crosses, wow, I saw him twice run away from goal!
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2020 19:14:51 GMT
Afobe's movement off the ball is actually very good - problem is no-one is picking his runs. He needs players to get on his wavelength. I don't think he's a lone or central striker where he's expected to play back to goal but I think he could come good as one of the wide players in a tucked in front 3 - maybe with Fletcher central. He makes some nice runs off the shoulder of the central defenders - he needs someone to lay it off quickly in front of him to get him in on goal. O'Neill thinks he's got something to work with - it will be interesting to see how he's used. Afobe is weird Outside the box his movement is good, good runs into good areas, get him one in one and he will score goals Inside the box he is absolutely static, literally stands still waiting for the perfect cross, incredibly easy to defend against. General hold up play is terrible and weak as piss
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 25, 2020 18:59:49 GMT
He’s scored today in a 20 minute cameo.
You never know....
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 25, 2020 19:05:47 GMT
How were people able to watch the match on Saturday to make all these assessments about the match?.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 25, 2020 19:09:31 GMT
He’s scored today in a 20 minute cameo. You never know.... Did he have a strike partner with him? It seems to be a theme with our strikers, they need to be in a pair.
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Post by marcofstoke on Aug 25, 2020 19:13:49 GMT
How were people able to watch the match on Saturday to make all these assessments about the match?. It was live on YouTube
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 25, 2020 19:20:21 GMT
He’s scored today in a 20 minute cameo. You never know.... Did he have a strike partner with him? It seems to be a theme with our strikers, they need to be in a pair. Haven’t a clue mate but I’m a bit old fashioned that way and would always go for two up top. Can’t beat a good pair. Ooo er!!
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Post by azzascfc on Aug 25, 2020 20:02:18 GMT
How were people able to watch the match on Saturday to make all these assessments about the match?. It was live on YouTube
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 29, 2020 16:30:54 GMT
I saw more effort from him today than ever before, but sadly no end product.
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Post by datguy on Aug 29, 2020 16:33:19 GMT
I don’t see what MO’N sees, personally.
Campbell came on and looked threatening straight away. Maybe it’s a pace issue? Afobe doesn’t seem anywhere near as pacey as I thought he was.
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Post by Praetorian on Aug 29, 2020 16:45:07 GMT
In all fairness he battled hard with the CB’s and managed to set up McClean who somehow put it wide
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2020 16:45:50 GMT
I thought he worked hard, but didn't really threaten.
MON not exactly gushing about him - "I think If I'm honest, in the games, Benik still looks like he needs a lot of football and a lot of minutes"
"He's back after a serious injury and we have to facilitate that and we have to get the best out of him. We made a massive investment in him 2 yrs ago and for Benik's sake and our sake, we have to get the best out of him"
Hope he can - but he was 'fit' well before the end of lockdown, and was getting competitive minutes for Bristol City as far back as June.
Important season for him with his contract expiring.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2020 16:48:36 GMT
I thought he worked hard, but didn't really threaten. MON not exactly gushing about him - "I think If I'm honest, in the games, Benik still looks like he needs a lot of football and a lot of minutes" "He's back after a serious injury and we have to facilitate that and we have to get the best out of him. We made a massive investment in him 2 yrs ago and for Benik's sake and our sake, we have to get the best out of him" Hope he can - but he was 'fit' well before the end of lockdown, and was getting competitive minutes for Bristol City as far back as June. Important season for him with his contract expiring. He wasn’t gushing but he determined to use him it seems. Wonder if the stuff about us actively looking to rid of Campbell is true? Afobe and Gregory starting today. Fletcher will be ahead of him too.
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