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Post by Northy on Jan 10, 2020 9:08:57 GMT
I used to love the sound of them going off on our ships
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2020 9:19:14 GMT
There’s plenty of targets that won’t have that level of protection.
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 9:38:56 GMT
If Trump/US hadn't of assassinated that Iranian (why not take him prisoner) then the passenger plane wouldn't have gone down.
If indeed it was shot down and this isn't just a cover up designed to avoid anymore attention on Boeing.
In any case, I can't believe a word that comes out of Trumps administration, nor anyone who has their strings pulled by them (Trudeau / Boris).
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 10, 2020 9:41:21 GMT
There’s plenty of targets that won’t have that level of protection. True but I'm not sure they would be valuable targets with military personnel and hardware in abundance.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 10, 2020 10:40:24 GMT
They did say sorry. A personal apology from the President no less and $60 million in compensation to the bereaved families. Regan “expressed regret”. Bush refused to apologise..... Yeah, that's an apology. Why should Bush even comment? REAGAN APOLOGIZED TO IRAN FOR DOWNING OF JETLINER
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2020 10:50:50 GMT
There’s plenty of targets that won’t have that level of protection. True but I'm not sure they would be valuable targets with military personnel and hardware in abundance. There’s plenty of valuable non-military targets out there - as we have seen recently. Oil fields, shipping, anything in Israel... Don’t fall into the trap that sophisticated military technology can make you safe.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2020 10:51:29 GMT
If Trump/US hadn't of assassinated that Iranian (why not take him prisoner) then the passenger plane wouldn't have gone down. If indeed it was shot down and this isn't just a cover up designed to avoid anymore attention on Boeing. In any case, I can't believe a word that comes out of Trumps administration, nor anyone who has their strings pulled by them (Trudeau / Boris). Are you Jeremy Corbyn?
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Post by Northy on Jan 10, 2020 11:28:52 GMT
If Trump/US hadn't of assassinated that Iranian (w hy not take him prisoner) then the passenger plane wouldn't have gone down. If indeed it was shot down and this isn't just a cover up designed to avoid anymore attention on Boeing. In any case, I can't believe a word that comes out of Trumps administration, nor anyone who has their strings pulled by them (Trudeau / Boris). he was travelling in Iraq in a convoy with armed guards ? Do you know the dangers in the area away from secure bases for a ground hit squad ?
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 11:36:05 GMT
If Trump/US hadn't of assassinated that Iranian (why not take him prisoner) then the passenger plane wouldn't have gone down. If indeed it was shot down and this isn't just a cover up designed to avoid anymore attention on Boeing. In any case, I can't believe a word that comes out of Trumps administration, nor anyone who has their strings pulled by them (Trudeau / Boris). Are you Jeremy Corbyn? No, but I also don't think it's okay for the US to go around assassinating people. It wasn't necessary at that time. If you think it's okay for them to ask irresponsibly like that, which subsequently led to the death of those people on the flight then that's your problem.
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 11:39:25 GMT
If Trump/US hadn't of assassinated that Iranian (w hy not take him prisoner) then the passenger plane wouldn't have gone down. If indeed it was shot down and this isn't just a cover up designed to avoid anymore attention on Boeing. In any case, I can't believe a word that comes out of Trumps administration, nor anyone who has their strings pulled by them (Trudeau / Boris). he was travelling in Iraq in a convoy with armed guards ? Do you know the dangers in the area away from secure bases for a ground hit squad ? In any case, it wasn't necessary to do anything. There was no imminent threat.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 10, 2020 11:49:33 GMT
True but I'm not sure they would be valuable targets with military personnel and hardware in abundance. There’s plenty of valuable non-military targets out there - as we have seen recently. Oil fields, shipping, anything in Israel... Don’t fall into the trap that sophisticated military technology can make you safe. I dont, what I do believe is that it was a pre planned attack to allow Iran to save face and defuse the situation. A few buildings and a truck is no big deal for the US. They did not attack oil etc they hit an Iraqi compound with notice that has US links. No injuries so its collateral damage with a minimum impact miles from Baghdad.
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Post by Northy on Jan 10, 2020 11:58:42 GMT
he was travelling in Iraq in a convoy with armed guards ? Do you know the dangers in the area away from secure bases for a ground hit squad ? In any case, it wasn't necessary to do anything. There was no imminent threat. how do you know that, are you in the secret service, working at GCHQ or somewhere?
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 12:05:46 GMT
In any case, it wasn't necessary to do anything. There was no imminent threat. how do you know that, are you in the secret service, working at GCHQ or somewhere? How do you not know that? Are you in the Trump administration? You seem to accept it as okay, probably because the US media machine has told you so. Keep lapping it up mate.
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Post by Northy on Jan 10, 2020 12:10:13 GMT
how do you know that, are you in the secret service, working at GCHQ or somewhere? How do you not know that? Are you in the Trump administration? You seem to accept it as okay, probably because the US media machine has told you so. Keep lapping it up mate. answer the question
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 12:27:34 GMT
How do you not know that? Are you in the Trump administration? You seem to accept it as okay, probably because the US media machine has told you so. Keep lapping it up mate. answer the question I did. The guy was in the military. He wasn't some ISIS member and there is no official war between the US and Iran. It was a foolish trigger happy move, made in a country that doesn't belong to them. I can't grasp how people can think that the US assassinating him without the go ahead of the Iraqis is okay. He may be a cunt who was involved in anti-US/Israel activity, but killing him like that was only ever going to make things worse. It's obvious. The fact is that the US doesn't care what happens in that region as long as they keep the supply of oil coming in. It all comes down to money. All the rest is smoke and mirrors.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 10, 2020 12:29:05 GMT
How do you not know that? Are you in the Trump administration? You seem to accept it as okay, probably because the US media machine has told you so. Keep lapping it up mate. answer the question You're not answering his either in fairness
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 10, 2020 12:35:02 GMT
....ergo you have no right to comment on international law according to your own logic. Good for you In 2008 I was invited to join the team that launched the iconic Yas Marina Circuit in Abu Dhabi. I helped bring F1 to the UAE for the first time. What are you on about, you simpleton?
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 10, 2020 12:41:50 GMT
How do you not know that? Are you in the Trump administration? You seem to accept it as okay, probably because the US media machine has told you so. Keep lapping it up mate. answer the question Classic deflection 😁 dont hold your breath you wont get one lol.
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 12:42:13 GMT
You're not answering his either in fairness All anyone has to go on is what the media tell us. I'm apparently supposed to provide evidence that this general wasn't going to commit a terror act, although no one seems to have concrete proof that he WAS going to. It's a case of guilty until proven innocent it seems. I don't think anyone can deny that the US aren't over there for anything other than their own benefit (oil, destabilisation and military contracts).. as has been proven by their invasion of Iraq (WMDs my arse) and how they've now deserted the Kurds and moved their troops towards their new best friends, the Saudis.
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Post by Northy on Jan 10, 2020 12:46:06 GMT
I did. The guy was in the military. He wasn't some ISIS member and there is no official war between the US and Iran. It was a foolish trigger happy move, made in a country that doesn't belong to them. I can't grasp how people can think that the US assassinating him without the go ahead of the Iraqis is okay. He may be a cunt who was involved in anti-US/Israel activity, but killing him like that was only ever going to make things worse. It's obvious. The fact is that the US doesn't care what happens in that region as long as they keep the supply of oil coming in. It all comes down to money. All the rest is smoke and mirrors. No you didn't, not to me, you just came back with questions to me, if you are going to post stuff that seems fact then it needs a bit of a back up doesn't it? He wasn't Isis but he was a rogue terrorist under a state flag that has plotted and caused mayhem around the middle east, most outlets and centre Iranians are saying that The US only import about 8% of oil from the middle east, from Saudi, they could up it from elsewhere, say Nigeria, or reduce on it's dependency. I agree and have said it before that oil, especially from the middle east is half of the worlds problems. If oil was never discovered there, the world would be a lot more peaceful place.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2020 12:51:17 GMT
No, but I also don't think it's okay for the US to go around assassinating people. It wasn't necessary at that time. If you think it's okay for them to ask irresponsibly like that, which subsequently led to the death of those people on the flight then that's your problem. Did I say that - No, of course not. Did you come out with a load of pish - yes. It’s what you do.
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 12:51:48 GMT
Classic deflection 😁 dont hold your breath you wont get one lol. Still too cowardly to post directly to me I see. Classic Franklin the WUM. Hiding behind other peoples posts. Whatever makes you feel like a man mate.
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 12:55:45 GMT
No, but I also don't think it's okay for the US to go around assassinating people. It wasn't necessary at that time. If you think it's okay for them to ask irresponsibly like that, which subsequently led to the death of those people on the flight then that's your problem. Did I say that - No, of course not. Did you come out with a load of pish - yes. It’s what you do. So you don't think the assassination in effect led to the plane going down? You response to my original post was a load of pish mate. It was a casual deflection from what is obvious. Corbyn got left behind in the Brexit thread. Let it go FFS.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2020 12:58:28 GMT
Did I say that - No, of course not. Did you come out with a load of pish - yes. It’s what you do. So you don't think the assassination in effect led to the plane going down? You response to my original post was a load of pish mate. It was a casual deflection from what is obvious. Corbyn got left behind in the Brexit thread. Let it go FFS.
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 13:08:57 GMT
I did. The guy was in the military. He wasn't some ISIS member and there is no official war between the US and Iran. It was a foolish trigger happy move, made in a country that doesn't belong to them. I can't grasp how people can think that the US assassinating him without the go ahead of the Iraqis is okay. He may be a cunt who was involved in anti-US/Israel activity, but killing him like that was only ever going to make things worse. It's obvious. The fact is that the US doesn't care what happens in that region as long as they keep the supply of oil coming in. It all comes down to money. All the rest is smoke and mirrors. No you didn't, not to me, you just came back with questions to me, if you are going to post stuff that seems fact then it needs a bit of a back up doesn't it? He wasn't Isis but he was a rogue terrorist under a state flag that has plotted and caused mayhem around the middle east, most outlets and centre Iranians are saying that The US only import about 8% of oil from the middle east, from Saudi, they could up it from elsewhere, say Nigeria, or reduce on it's dependency. I agree and have said it before that oil, especially from the middle east is half of the worlds problems. If oil was never discovered there, the world would be a lot more peaceful place. I think the only fact anyone (including us) can be certain of is the desire for oil mate. It trumps (no pun intended) everything. I believe China are getting into Africa quite heavily now. Another fucked up area of the planet.
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Post by Northy on Jan 10, 2020 13:26:48 GMT
No you didn't, not to me, you just came back with questions to me, if you are going to post stuff that seems fact then it needs a bit of a back up doesn't it? He wasn't Isis but he was a rogue terrorist under a state flag that has plotted and caused mayhem around the middle east, most outlets and centre Iranians are saying that The US only import about 8% of oil from the middle east, from Saudi, they could up it from elsewhere, say Nigeria, or reduce on it's dependency. I agree and have said it before that oil, especially from the middle east is half of the worlds problems. If oil was never discovered there, the world would be a lot more peaceful place. I think the only fact anyone (including us) can be certain of is the desire for oil mate. It trumps (no pun intended) everything. I believe China are getting into Africa quite heavily now. Another fucked up area of the planet. China is sub saharan Africa's biggest trading partner and investing in a lot of countries, roads, rail, super ports etc. a new colonial power or Africa's assets it's target?
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 13:46:12 GMT
I think the only fact anyone (including us) can be certain of is the desire for oil mate. It trumps (no pun intended) everything. I believe China are getting into Africa quite heavily now. Another fucked up area of the planet. China is sub saharan Africa's biggest trading partner and investing in a lot of countries, roads, rail, super ports etc. a new colonial power or Africa's assets it's target? Really not sure how Africa will ever pay off the debt to China with anything other than it's natural resources. It'll always be in China's debt, or at least for the long term. Saying that, Africa has been a mess since forever so they probably don't have anything to lose. Having China help them, even at a huge cost, may be better than nothing.
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2020 14:25:34 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 10, 2020 17:44:42 GMT
You're not answering his either in fairness All anyone has to go on is what the media tell us. I'm apparently supposed to provide evidence that this general wasn't going to commit a terror act, although no one seems to have concrete proof that he WAS going to. It's a case of guilty until proven innocent it seems. I don't think anyone can deny that the US aren't over there for anything other than their own benefit (oil, destabilisation and military contracts).. as has been proven by their invasion of Iraq (WMDs my arse) and how they've now deserted the Kurds and moved their troops towards their new best friends, the Saudis. You're forgetting the golden rule of the EE board mate - everyone is innocent until proven Muslim (or socialist for that matter) You raise a perfectly valid point but of course Northy won't answer your question. He seems to think it a realistic foreign policy to expect countries to simply do as you say, not as you do. In fairness he's in esteemed company because that's what successive American presidents think too. Dunner mean it's going to actually work anytime soon of course...
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jan 11, 2020 6:35:41 GMT
Iran's military says it unintentionally shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, Iran's state TV reports. The statement said it had done so due to human error.
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