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Post by franklin66 on Mar 11, 2020 8:30:31 GMT
Thank fuck we're an island and wont be contributing to that. Weren’t turkey given €6b to stem migration into the EU 2 years ago? That worked well I dont remember the numbers but it's easy money if that's the case.
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Post by Northy on Mar 11, 2020 8:33:50 GMT
Thank fuck we're an island and wont be contributing to that. Weren’t turkey given €6b to stem migration into the EU 2 years ago? That worked well I thought it was just a mere 3
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Post by foster on Mar 11, 2020 10:04:16 GMT
Weren’t turkey given €6b to stem migration into the EU 2 years ago? That worked well I thought it was just a mere 3 To be fair, would you like to be hosting, feeding, caring for millions of refugees in your country while more and more keep coming? The money will soon go when having to take care of such large quantities of people.
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 11, 2020 10:30:38 GMT
Little reported in the UK but google Greek News. The migrant situation on the Turkish border is becoming very serious and increasingly hostile.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 11, 2020 10:34:21 GMT
I thought it was just a mere 3 To be fair, would you like to be hosting, feeding, caring for millions of refugees in your country while more and more keep coming? The money will soon go when having to take care of such large quantities of people. Bit harsh of me but could they not send them straight back. If they are acting illegally then the right thing would be to deport them.
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Post by foster on Mar 11, 2020 10:44:41 GMT
To be fair, would you like to be hosting, feeding, caring for millions of refugees in your country while more and more keep coming? The money will soon go when having to take care of such large quantities of people. Bit harsh of me but could they not send them straight back. If they are acting illegally then the right thing would be to deport them. Send them back to where? To the warzone that they've just had to flee from? Whilst the Syrian Government, the Kurds, the Russians, ISIS, the rebel groups and the Turks continue to fight the number of refugees will increase. I'd also say that the issue will hit the UK because a lot of those that come to the EU will end up at Calais or trying to come over here by whatever means necessary. I quite like the idea of creating a buffer zone within Syria to house the refugees but I just don't see that happening with the way things are going. I honestly don't get why these different factions are unable to get in a room and come up with a solution. We'll probably see a Coronavirus case in the refugee camp soon as well. If that happens they won't be getting the medical care that we're fortunate to receive.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 11, 2020 10:53:20 GMT
Bit harsh of me but could they not send them straight back. If they are acting illegally then the right thing would be to deport them. Send them back to where? To the warzone that they've just had to flee from? Whilst the Syrian Government, the Kurds, the Russians, ISIS, the rebel groups and the Turks continue to fight the number of refugees will increase. I'd also say that the issue will hit the UK because a lot of those that come to the EU will end up at Calais or trying to come over here by whatever means necessary. I quite like the idea of creating a buffer zone within Syria to house the refugees but I just don't see that happening with the way things are going. I honestly don't get why these different factions are unable to get in a room and come up with a solution. We'll probably see a Coronavirus case in the refugee camp soon as well. If that happens they won't be getting the medical care that we're fortunate to receive. My mistake I thought they were in turkey trying to enter Greece not Syria entering turkey. Are they not safe in Turkey also?
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Post by foster on Mar 11, 2020 10:54:21 GMT
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Post by foster on Mar 11, 2020 11:01:49 GMT
Send them back to where? To the warzone that they've just had to flee from? Whilst the Syrian Government, the Kurds, the Russians, ISIS, the rebel groups and the Turks continue to fight the number of refugees will increase. I'd also say that the issue will hit the UK because a lot of those that come to the EU will end up at Calais or trying to come over here by whatever means necessary. I quite like the idea of creating a buffer zone within Syria to house the refugees but I just don't see that happening with the way things are going. I honestly don't get why these different factions are unable to get in a room and come up with a solution. We'll probably see a Coronavirus case in the refugee camp soon as well. If that happens they won't be getting the medical care that we're fortunate to receive. My mistake I thought they were in turkey trying to enter Greece not Syria entering turkey. Are they not safe in Turkey also? Where do you think the ones in Turkey come from? The reason Turkey don't want to host them anymore is because more and more refugees are arriving and they can't afford to pay for all of them. I think it's fair enough to expect some help from Europe since they're basically acting as the buffer zone. Turkey have simply said, okay, well if you don't help us then we'll just let the refugees pass through and they can be your problem too.
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 11, 2020 11:02:56 GMT
Now reported that a Greek woman has been diagnosed with Corona Virus on the island of Lesbos, and only ten miles from 27000 migrants living in squalor!!
God it’s getting bad.
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Post by Northy on Mar 11, 2020 11:14:50 GMT
Bit harsh of me but could they not send them straight back. If they are acting illegally then the right thing would be to deport them. Send them back to where? To the warzone that they've just had to flee from? Whilst the Syrian Government, the Kurds, the Russians, ISIS, the rebel groups and the Turks continue to fight the number of refugees will increase. I'd also say that the issue will hit the UK because a lot of those that come to the EU will end up at Calais or trying to come over here by whatever means necessary. I quite like the idea of creating a buffer zone within Syria to house the refugees but I just don't see that happening with the way things are going. I honestly don't get why these different factions are unable to get in a room and come up with a solution. We'll probably see a Coronavirus case in the refugee camp soon as well. If that happens they won't be getting the medical care that we're fortunate to receive. There is only 1 area of Syria that is in war, lots of the other places need rebuilding now, plenty of work and opportunities there They are not all from Syria, a lot of other places as well, Pakistan, India etc. Afghanistan also where many come from now has peace.
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Post by Northy on Mar 11, 2020 11:15:55 GMT
My mistake I thought they were in turkey trying to enter Greece not Syria entering turkey. Are they not safe in Turkey also? Where do you think the ones in Turkey come from? The reason Turkey don't want to host them anymore is because more and more refugees are arriving and they can't afford to pay for all of them. I think it's fair enough to expect some help from Europe since they're basically acting as the buffer zone. Turkey have simply said, okay, well if you don't help us then we'll just let the refugees pass through and they can be your problem too. Turkey shouldn't have bombed Syria recently then should it ?
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 11, 2020 12:08:58 GMT
My mistake I thought they were in turkey trying to enter Greece not Syria entering turkey. Are they not safe in Turkey also? Where do you think the ones in Turkey come from? The reason Turkey don't want to host them anymore is because more and more refugees are arriving and they can't afford to pay for all of them. I think it's fair enough to expect some help from Europe since they're basically acting as the buffer zone. Turkey have simply said, okay, well if you don't help us then we'll just let the refugees pass through and they can be your problem too. That's why I said send them back I'm not against helping but do it legally. Why should Greece be held to ransom and it's not unreasonable for them to close the boarders and protect their sovereignty. You have to rebuild rather than everyone leave surely a long term plan is required. Its sending the wrong message out imho.
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Post by foster on Mar 11, 2020 12:14:36 GMT
Where do you think the ones in Turkey come from? The reason Turkey don't want to host them anymore is because more and more refugees are arriving and they can't afford to pay for all of them. I think it's fair enough to expect some help from Europe since they're basically acting as the buffer zone. Turkey have simply said, okay, well if you don't help us then we'll just let the refugees pass through and they can be your problem too. Turkey shouldn't have bombed Syria recently then should it ? The refugees were there and continuing to come long before Turkey got properly involved. The reason Turkey are involved now (according to them) is because they want to create a protective buffer zone where they can place all the refugees... before their own border, which is understandable. It's easy to point the finger when it's not your country doing all the heavy lifting. I wonder how the general public here would feel if we had 3.5 million refugees all housed in camps along the South coast with nowhere to go.
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Post by foster on Mar 11, 2020 12:22:36 GMT
Where do you think the ones in Turkey come from? The reason Turkey don't want to host them anymore is because more and more refugees are arriving and they can't afford to pay for all of them. I think it's fair enough to expect some help from Europe since they're basically acting as the buffer zone. Turkey have simply said, okay, well if you don't help us then we'll just let the refugees pass through and they can be your problem too. That's why I said send them back I'm not against helping but do it legally. Why should Greece be held to ransom and it's not unreasonable for them to close the boarders and protect their sovereignty. You have to rebuild rather than everyone leave surely a long term plan is required. Its sending the wrong message out imho. I've never said that Greece should let them in. I think that Europe, Turkey and all parties involved should come up with a plan instead of blaming each other and leaving these innocent people to suffer. It HAS to be a return to a safe zone in Syria as European countries are already overstretched.
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Post by lordb on Mar 11, 2020 12:25:41 GMT
That's why I said send them back I'm not against helping but do it legally. Why should Greece be held to ransom and it's not unreasonable for them to close the boarders and protect their sovereignty. You have to rebuild rather than everyone leave surely a long term plan is required. Its sending the wrong message out imho. I've never said that Greece should let them in. I think that Europe, Turkey and all parties involved should come up with a plan instead of blaming each other and leaving these innocent people to suffer. It HAS to be a return to a safe zone in Syria as European countries are already overstretched. that really should be the aim however Trump policy of walking away from Syria alongside increasing Russian support for the Assad regime makes this impossible
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 11, 2020 18:31:07 GMT
Russia & Saudi oil price war. It’s a race to the bottom for them and the US. I fear the shit is about to hit the fan! It is for me too (a race to the bottom). I am invested heavily in oil at $60 per barrel. Only thing I can do now is keep digging (investing) and hope to make up the losses on the rebound. Production will naturally be reduced in certain countries. Kuwait have stopped all commercial flights into the country until further notice and given everyone two weeks holiday. Their drilling programs rely heavily on expats so they will have to be curtailed. They won't be the last country in the Middle East to do this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 23:05:00 GMT
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Post by felonious on Mar 13, 2020 6:55:51 GMT
The British soldier killed in an attack on a military base in Iraq has been named as L/Cpl Brodie Gillon. L/Cpl Gillon, 26, was described as a "larger than life soldier" who was "destined for great things". Earlier, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab condemned the attack - that also killed two Americans - as "cowardly". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51854198RIP
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