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Post by serpico on Jan 6, 2020 8:06:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 8:58:11 GMT
Illegally occupy a country, build an expensive air base on foreign soil and then bleat when that country tells you to do one. Unbelievable......
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 9:26:11 GMT
War is good for business. Always has been, always will be. Unless you’re on the receiving end. very true!i think there was only one president that has not had a war,in the last century. it might of been carter. Carter didn't have a so called direct war but backed some despot regimes, he aided the dictator in Zaire to put down rebels, backed Indonesia in it's invasion of East Timor and it's atrocities on civilians, backed South Africa in the UN after it bombed refugee camps in Angola during that conflict, backed the Moujahedeen with aid in Afghanistan, aided the dictorial junta in El Salvador, all of these because they were allies to USA for one reason or another. The Afghanistan backing backfired as it was one of the groups they supported that eventually trained up the jihadis that took down the twin towers. USA has it's fingers and money all over the world in many areas people don't realise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 9:37:55 GMT
very true!i think there was only one president that has not had a war,in the last century. it might of been carter. Carter didn't have a so called direct war but backed some despot regimes, he aided the dictator in Zaire to put down rebels, backed Indonesia in it's invasion of East Timor and it's atrocities on civilians, backed South Africa in the UN after it bombed refugee camps in Angola during that conflict, backed the Moujahedeen with aid in Afghanistan, aided the dictorial junta in El Salvador, all of these because they were allies to USA for one reason or another. The Afghanistan backing backfired as it was one of the groups they supported that eventually trained up the jihadis that took down the twin towers. USA has it's fingers and money all over the world in many areas people don't realise. They brought down the democratically elected Iranian prime minister Mohammad Mosaddegh with our help, his crime was to request an audit of the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. They've just attempted the same in Venezuala and Bolivia as well, always boils down to oil and natural reserves. Pretty laughable if it wasn't so sickening......
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 11:35:10 GMT
Carter didn't have a so called direct war but backed some despot regimes, he aided the dictator in Zaire to put down rebels, backed Indonesia in it's invasion of East Timor and it's atrocities on civilians, backed South Africa in the UN after it bombed refugee camps in Angola during that conflict, backed the Moujahedeen with aid in Afghanistan, aided the dictorial junta in El Salvador, all of these because they were allies to USA for one reason or another. The Afghanistan backing backfired as it was one of the groups they supported that eventually trained up the jihadis that took down the twin towers. USA has it's fingers and money all over the world in many areas people don't realise. They brought down the democratically elected Iranian prime minister Mohammad Mosaddegh with our help, his crime was to request an audit of the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. They've just attempted the same in Venezuala and Bolivia as well, always boils down to oil and natural reserves. Pretty laughable if it wasn't so sickening...... You'd like to think so
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 6, 2020 12:32:13 GMT
Isn't it a problem for most of us, that when you are asked to take sides we 1 Don't really know what is actually going 2 Don't know what has already gone on and has been said. 3 Can't predict the future , whichever route is taken. 4 Most importantly for me, we might not particularly like either side. People have often said that the economy/ jobs is everything...BUT.....a case can be made for it not to be ethical to trade with Saudi Arabia....nor China....but we do. USA being portrayed as warmongers/ imperialists does not make Iran the good guys.
It's not easy out there.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 6, 2020 12:43:02 GMT
Bored of that now.
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Post by lordb on Jan 6, 2020 12:44:25 GMT
Isn't it a problem for most of us, that when you are asked to take sides we 1 Don't really know what is actually going 2 Don't know what has already gone on and has been said. 3 Can't predict the future , whichever route is taken. 4 Most importantly for me, we might not particularly like either side. People have often said that the economy/ jobs is everything...BUT.....a case can be made for it not to be ethical to trade with Saudi Arabia....nor China....but we do. USA being portrayed as warmongers/ imperialists does not make Iran the good guys. It's not easy out there. looks pretty difficult to spot any good guys
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 6, 2020 12:51:07 GMT
It is a worry but unfortunately we have made a rod for our own back. We "civilised" these countries and impress our moral qualities on them when it's not how they work or live. Like it or not different people/countries have their own customs and laws and it's got fuck all to do with me who does what with whom. In the UK yes I have a say but I'm not interested in lecturing others how to live. I might disagree but it's their life and I abide by the laws of the land wherever I may be. I dont chew gum in Singapore I dont Jay walk in the US I dont grope my missus in public in Dubai (not in a bad way) that's the way it is.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 6, 2020 13:37:39 GMT
very true!i think there was only one president that has not had a war,in the last century. it might of been carter. Carter didn't have a so called direct war but backed some despot regimes, he aided the dictator in Zaire to put down rebels, backed Indonesia in it's invasion of East Timor and it's atrocities on civilians, backed South Africa in the UN after it bombed refugee camps in Angola during that conflict, backed the Moujahedeen with aid in Afghanistan, aided the dictorial junta in El Salvador, all of these because they were allies to USA for one reason or another. The Afghanistan backing backfired as it was one of the groups they supported that eventually trained up the jihadis that took down the twin towers. USA has it's fingers and money all over the world in many areas people don't realise. Stealth Imperialism
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 6, 2020 15:34:39 GMT
Trump is not in control of events now, he’s basically put US foreign policy decisions into the hands of the mullahs in Iran, it’s now all about how they respond, if they respond violently then the US, and probably the uk, will be involved in yet another unnecessary war. Xmas has come very early for Islamic State. Bet they can't believe their luck! Puts UK in a very sticky situation.
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Post by Northy on Jan 6, 2020 15:48:10 GMT
Illegally occupy a country, build an expensive air base on foreign soil and then bleat when that country tells you to do one. Unbelievable...... I suppose invading and annexing Kuwait was always a bad idea
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 6, 2020 16:33:54 GMT
very true!i think there was only one president that has not had a war,in the last century. it might of been carter. Carter didn't have a so called direct war but backed some despot regimes, he aided the dictator in Zaire to put down rebels, backed Indonesia in it's invasion of East Timor and it's atrocities on civilians, backed South Africa in the UN after it bombed refugee camps in Angola during that conflict, backed the Moujahedeen with aid in Afghanistan, aided the dictorial junta in El Salvador, all of these because they were allies to USA for one reason or another. The Afghanistan backing backfired as it was one of the groups they supported that eventually trained up the jihadis that took down the twin towers. USA has it's fingers and money all over the world in many areas people don't realise. You forgot to mention all the innocent British civilians murdered by American money curtise of the ira
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Post by serpico on Jan 6, 2020 17:37:08 GMT
you're not going to win a war over there without wiping millions of people out, either kill them all and out yourself as an absolute disgusting human being or get out, just stop the pretence that this is about being a big cuddly humanitarian, either wage war and kill millions of people or get out, i highly recommend the latter.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 6, 2020 20:15:45 GMT
Perhaps something most of us can agree on......it seems to me that the powerful, the decision makers, in most/ all countries make decisions to go to war/ to fight and it is ordinary people who pay the price. Many of these ordinary people would not dream of hurting a fly. Politically, by the very nature of politics itself, we always seem to have the wrong type of people/ personalities who get to the top. Power crazy.... whichever country
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 6, 2020 20:42:12 GMT
news.sky.com/story/us-led-coalition-to-leave-iraq-after-soleimani-killing-leaked-letter-11902656The US-led coalition has reportedly said it will withdraw from Iraq and that it respects the country's decision to order them out of the country. The Iraqi parliament said it wanted American troops to leave after a US drone strike in Baghdad assassinated Iran's top military commander. A letter, seen by the Reuters news agency, says the US will "reposition forces" over the coming days and weeks. The Pentagon has not yet commented.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 6, 2020 21:16:14 GMT
I'm not up to date with Iraqi affairs, but from what I've seen, Iraq is now closer to Iran now than it's been for a very long time. Seeing that Iraq is now a basket case of a country, there is the potential to give Iranian forces free passage to Israel. If that scenario is accurate, then there is no way we would not join the US in defending Israel, taking back Iraq and then going on to bring peace and democracy to Iran. Oh, and BP could get their oil fields back.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 6, 2020 21:36:59 GMT
Trump is not in control of events now, he’s basically put US foreign policy decisions into the hands of the mullahs in Iran, it’s now all about how they respond, if they respond violently then the US, and probably the uk, will be involved in yet another unnecessary war. Xmas has come very early for Islamic State. Bet they can't believe their luck! Puts UK in a very sticky situation. Just as long as DT gets is 2nd office🇺🇸
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 6, 2020 21:37:05 GMT
I'm not up to date with Iraqi affairs, but from what I've seen, Iraq is now closer to Iran now than it's been for a very long time. Seeing that Iraq is now a basket case of a country, there is the potential to give Iranian forces free passage to Israel. If that scenario is accurate, then there is no way we would not join the US in defending Israel, taking back Iraq and then going on to bring peace and democracy to Iran. Oh, and BP could get their oil fields back. Population wise it’s been that way for a long time. 98% of the country is Muslim which is split 70 / 30 Shi’a over Sunni. There was never much doubt that when Saddam went, Iraq would inevitably fall under the influence of its Shi’a neighbour Iran. What constituted Iran at this time was (and is) more open. Iraq could still break apart.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 7, 2020 8:15:51 GMT
For the rights and wrongs of this assignation of a terrorist Piers Morgan owned left wing journalist this morning.
He said if Obama had done this and came out with a very dignified and presidential explanation of why the USA killed this terrorist the narrative would be very different.
Trump spends far too much time on Twitter
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 7, 2020 8:23:51 GMT
For the rights and wrongs of this assignation of a terrorist Piers Morgan owned left wing journalist this morning. He said if Obama had done this and came out with a very dignified and presidential explanation of why the USA killed this terrorist the narrative would be very different. Trump spends far too much time on Twitter Another one presenting another ones opinions as fact...
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Post by Mayunmarlady on Jan 7, 2020 10:31:25 GMT
news.sky.com/story/us-led-coalition-to-leave-iraq-after-soleimani-killing-leaked-letter-11902656The US-led coalition has reportedly said it will withdraw from Iraq and that it respects the country's decision to order them out of the country. The Iraqi parliament said it wanted American troops to leave after a US drone strike in Baghdad assassinated Iran's top military commander. A letter, seen by the Reuters news agency, says the US will "reposition forces" over the coming days and weeks. The Pentagon has not yet commented. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Mark Milley, called a letter that discussed the movement of troops in Iraq, a “mistake” and that it was poorly worded, incorrectly suggesting that the US was withdrawing troops. Earlier today, a US official confirmed the authenticity of a letter viewed by CNN from the US Department of Defense to the Iraqi Defense Ministry, which discusses the movement of troops in the region. Seeking to clarify confusion over a letter leaked today, Milley told reporters: “That letter is a draft, it was a mistake, it was unsigned, it should not have been released…poorly worded, implies withdrawal, that is not what’s happening.” Milley said, “It’s an honest mistake…it should not have been sent”
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Post by serpico on Jan 7, 2020 12:31:42 GMT
Unless you're willing to kill hundreds of thousands of people (maybe millions) then shut the hell up about Iran, we cant change things there and it'll be another fools errand if we go in, look at both Iraq and Afghanistan, the latter a nation led by a organisation who's weapons jam up with sand yet here we are, 20 years into a war against them and they still have influence.
Yes the iranian regime is horrible, can we do jack about that ?... no, we can't. not even if we wanted to.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 7, 2020 16:34:23 GMT
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Post by serpico on Jan 7, 2020 16:45:30 GMT
... Hence why we should stay out.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 7, 2020 16:52:02 GMT
The US don't tell us they're going to do it despite being partners in the region, we then try and ride both horses to keep a maniacal Trump sweet without upsetting the grown up kids in the world and completely isolating ourselves.
What a brave new world we're entering, losing influence with one power and forced into lapdoggery with another.
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Post by zerps on Jan 7, 2020 17:16:52 GMT
Unless you're willing to kill hundreds of thousands of people (maybe millions) then shut the hell up about Iran, we cant change things there and it'll be another fools errand if we go in, look at both Iraq and Afghanistan, the latter a nation led by a organisation who's weapons jam up with sand yet here we are, 20 years into a war against them and they still have influence. Yes the iranian regime is horrible, can we do jack about that ?... no, we can't. not even if we wanted to. Because being at war makes money for the us economy. That’s all there is to it.
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Post by serpico on Jan 7, 2020 17:52:46 GMT
Unless you're willing to kill hundreds of thousands of people (maybe millions) then shut the hell up about Iran, we cant change things there and it'll be another fools errand if we go in, look at both Iraq and Afghanistan, the latter a nation led by a organisation who's weapons jam up with sand yet here we are, 20 years into a war against them and they still have influence. Yes the iranian regime is horrible, can we do jack about that ?... no, we can't. not even if we wanted to. Because being at war makes money for the us economy. That’s all there is to it. I don't think it matters anymore who is in power, its the office that is the problem, Eisenhower warned of it years ago.
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Post by zerps on Jan 7, 2020 18:08:40 GMT
Because being at war makes money for the us economy. That’s all there is to it. I don't think it matters anymore who is in power, its the office that is the problem, Eisenhower warned of it years ago. They’re fucked anyway, as global debt soars and the federal reserve are pumping billions into the economy to keep it afloat.
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Post by zerps on Jan 7, 2020 18:09:31 GMT
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