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Post by wagsastokie on May 26, 2021 15:36:13 GMT
I wonder where Burnley would be if Dyche were to walk away. We ought to be better than being a feeder club for the Clarets. I’d sooner be a feeder club for Burnley than a depository for Spurs
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 15:50:08 GMT
I wonder where Burnley would be if Dyche were to walk away. We ought to be better than being a feeder club for the Clarets. I’d sooner be a feeder club for Burnley than a depository for Spurs A finished Walters and Crouch. Fed them scraps there. Pieters wasn't good enough for us according to many
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 26, 2021 15:52:42 GMT
I’d sooner be a feeder club for Burnley than a depository for Spurs A finished Walters and Crouch. Fed them scraps there. Pieters wasn't good enough for us according to many Theyve got good value out of Erik and Bards Theyve done us over royally with Vokes but theyll argue they owed us that one after Leon Cort
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 15:57:12 GMT
A finished Walters and Crouch. Fed them scraps there. Pieters wasn't good enough for us according to many Theyve got good value out of Erik and Bards Theyve done us over royally with Vokes but theyll argue they owed us that one after Leon Cort I agree but again 2 players so many on here disliked , the sarcastic cheering when Pieters went off v West ham, Wasn't one or two. Hardly makes us a feeder club, they're a Prem club at the moment and we're not
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2021 15:58:24 GMT
I’d sooner be a feeder club for Burnley than a depository for Spurs A finished Walters and Crouch. Fed them scraps there. Pieters wasn't good enough for us according to many including many Burnley supporters to be fair to Eric he's being playing midfield for them
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 26, 2021 16:07:49 GMT
Theyve got good value out of Erik and Bards Theyve done us over royally with Vokes but theyll argue they owed us that one after Leon Cort I agree but again 2 players so many on here disliked , the sarcastic cheering when Pieters went off v West ham, Wasn't one or two. Hardly makes us a feeder club, they're a Prem club at the moment and we're not Never understood the dislike of Erik myself. In my near 40 yrs of following us, cant think of too many better specialist leftbacks weve had
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 16:29:26 GMT
I agree but again 2 players so many on here disliked , the sarcastic cheering when Pieters went off v West ham, Wasn't one or two. Hardly makes us a feeder club, they're a Prem club at the moment and we're not Never understood the dislike of Erik myself. In my near 40 yrs of following us, cant think of too many better specialist leftbacks weve had A bit of sheep mentality I thought. We see it on here, join in the bashing of a certain player with no justification. Gets you likes from a certain few I guess. pieters was ok , a decent player and one we looking back should have kept but can't blame him for moving.
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2021 16:35:43 GMT
I agree but again 2 players so many on here disliked , the sarcastic cheering when Pieters went off v West ham, Wasn't one or two. Hardly makes us a feeder club, they're a Prem club at the moment and we're not Never understood the dislike of Erik myself. In my near 40 yrs of following us, cant think of too many better specialist leftbacks weve had No but that's partly due to the poverty of our left backs in that time Decent right backs aplenty but good Stoke left backs are as rare as hens teeth Eric was OK which makes him one of the best ones!
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Post by jeycov on May 26, 2021 16:49:57 GMT
I'll be honest if Collins leaves for Burnley I'll be pissed off. a) there's no way that Burnley will pay the sort of fee he SHOULD be commanding, that any other club would no doubt get for a player of his potential and ability. b) he can do a lot better than Burnley. Me too. This would substantially weaken the squad and significantly reduce our chances of a top six finish. I am thinking of buying a ST now that travel restrictions are easing. Sell Collins, Souttar, Powell or Campbell and I am done. The thing is the early bird season tickets window ends before any significant sale of players imo If Collins hadn't been injured then there would have been an excellent chance to play him at CB. I'm not sure that MON would have done that or has any immediate plans to play him there at Stoke (unless a very good reliable RB came along) He will go somewhere that will play him as a CB regularly I believe that Souttar and Campbell will be here next season Beyond that, it will very much depend on which division we are playing in £15 million with substantial add ons is the minimum we should be asking
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 17:29:25 GMT
£15 million with substantial add ons is the minimum we should be asking And the max? Personally I don't see him leaving unless he specifically demands to. It's a bad time to sell players because of the situation that is now. Even the top 6 are not going to spend big sums on a player that has never played in the Premier League and is in some stage of recovery from injury.
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Post by jeycov on May 26, 2021 17:34:09 GMT
£15 million with substantial add ons is the minimum we should be asking And the max? Personally I don't see him leaving unless he specifically demands to. It's a bad time to sell players because of the situation that is now. Even the top 6 are not going to spend big sums on a player that has never played in the Premier League and is in some stage of recovery from injury. There isn’t a max? Especially if more than one club show an interest Hi think he will move on during this summer, if he stays he needs to play at CB
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 18:23:44 GMT
And the max? Personally I don't see him leaving unless he specifically demands to. It's a bad time to sell players because of the situation that is now. Even the top 6 are not going to spend big sums on a player that has never played in the Premier League and is in some stage of recovery from injury. There isn’t a max? Especially if more than one club show an interest Hi think he will move on during this summer, if he stays he needs to play at CB That is the card he can play, i.e. 'pick me at centre half or I will leave' - not that I think he will play it as an ultimatum, just as an expression of the direction he wishes his career to go. I've not seen any interviews or social media where he has expressed a desire to leave. I think he will stay a couple more years at least, especially now that his friend Will Forrester is in the mix, and potentially more. There is a max, where Stoke will feel they cannot afford to say no, I just don't know where that sits. But should it be met, they would have to persuade Collins to leave. They might not succeed, although it depends on the potential address he will be looking at.
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Post by jeycov on May 26, 2021 18:45:57 GMT
There isn’t a max? Especially if more than one club show an interest Hi think he will move on during this summer, if he stays he needs to play at CB That is the card he can play, i.e. 'pick me at centre half or I will leave' - not that I think he will play it as an ultimatum, just as an expression of the direction he wishes his career to go. I've not seen any interviews or social media where he has expressed a desire to leave. I think he will stay a couple more years at least, especially now that his friend Will Forrester is in the mix, and potentially more. There is a max, where Stoke will feel they cannot afford to say no, I just don't know where that sits. But should it be met, they would have to persuade Collins to leave. They might not succeed, although it depends on the potential address he will be looking at. Excellent post
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Post by maine on May 26, 2021 18:54:14 GMT
Jesus Mc said re Erik 'A bit of sheep mentality I thought. We see it on here, join in the bashing of a certain player with no justification. Gets you likes from a certain few I guess' Most apparently Joe of course.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 19:11:53 GMT
Jesus Mc said re Erik 'A bit of sheep mentality I thought. We see it on here, join in the bashing of a certain player with no justification. Gets you likes from a certain few I guess' Most apparently Joe of course. The player who recently comes to mind, yep
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Post by heworksardtho on May 26, 2021 20:21:51 GMT
There isn’t a max? Especially if more than one club show an interest Hi think he will move on during this summer, if he stays he needs to play at CB That is the card he can play, i.e. 'pick me at centre half or I will leave' - not that I think he will play it as an ultimatum, just as an expression of the direction he wishes his career to go. I've not seen any interviews or social media where he has expressed a desire to leave. I think he will stay a couple more years at least, especially now that his friend Will Forrester is in the mix, and potentially more. There is a max, where Stoke will feel they cannot afford to say no, I just don't know where that sits. But should it be met, they would have to persuade Collins to leave. They might not succeed, although it depends on the potential address he will be looking at. Will will be promoted next season and piss this tin pot league , so there’s no reason to leave
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 20:31:36 GMT
That is the card he can play, i.e. 'pick me at centre half or I will leave' - not that I think he will play it as an ultimatum, just as an expression of the direction he wishes his career to go. I've not seen any interviews or social media where he has expressed a desire to leave. I think he will stay a couple more years at least, especially now that his friend Will Forrester is in the mix, and potentially more. There is a max, where Stoke will feel they cannot afford to say no, I just don't know where that sits. But should it be met, they would have to persuade Collins to leave. They might not succeed, although it depends on the potential address he will be looking at. Will will be promoted next season and piss this tin pot league , so there’s no reason to leave Doubt that very much.
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Post by GoBoks on May 26, 2021 21:09:43 GMT
Never understood the dislike of Erik myself. In my near 40 yrs of following us, cant think of too many better specialist leftbacks weve had No but that's partly due to the poverty of our left backs in that time Decent right backs aplenty but good Stoke left backs are as rare as hens teeth Eric was OK which makes him one of the best ones! 40 years is a loooong time.
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Post by hyaduck on May 27, 2021 0:33:35 GMT
Campbell’s dad said it weeks ago he’s going up Burnley Campells dad said Collins was going?? Yeah up Burnley, it was in the paper the other week
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Post by PotterLog on May 27, 2021 1:09:44 GMT
No but that's partly due to the poverty of our left backs in that time Decent right backs aplenty but good Stoke left backs are as rare as hens teeth Eric was OK which makes him one of the best ones! 40 years is a loooong time. Only really indicative of Stoke’s overall standard during that time though innit. A Stoke XI of the last forty years would be made up almost exclusively of players from ‘08 - ‘18
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Post by shakermaker on May 27, 2021 7:58:25 GMT
That is the card he can play, i.e. 'pick me at centre half or I will leave' - not that I think he will play it as an ultimatum, just as an expression of the direction he wishes his career to go. I've not seen any interviews or social media where he has expressed a desire to leave. I think he will stay a couple more years at least, especially now that his friend Will Forrester is in the mix, and potentially more. There is a max, where Stoke will feel they cannot afford to say no, I just don't know where that sits. But should it be met, they would have to persuade Collins to leave. They might not succeed, although it depends on the potential address he will be looking at. Will will be promoted next season and piss this tin pot league , so there’s no reason to leave You’re one day too early for the Friday Joke mate! 😆
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 8:09:10 GMT
Jesus Mc said re Erik 'A bit of sheep mentality I thought. We see it on here, join in the bashing of a certain player with no justification. Gets you likes from a certain few I guess' Most apparently Joe of course. Could it not be, that people just don't think Joe Allen's very good, and hasn't been very good for the majority of the time he's been here? I've yet to see a proper, coherent argument in favour of him. We only have a small cluster of 'sellable' players - he's at the top of mine.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 9:49:16 GMT
Jesus Mc said re Erik 'A bit of sheep mentality I thought. We see it on here, join in the bashing of a certain player with no justification. Gets you likes from a certain few I guess' Most apparently Joe of course. Could it not be, that people just don't think Joe Allen's very good, and hasn't been very good for the majority of the time he's been here? I've yet to see a proper, coherent argument in favour of him. We only have a small cluster of 'sellable' players - he's at the top of mine. I think when you see people using the same phrases to ctiticise Allen,McClean etc it explains a lot. ie just repeating what others have said.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 12:55:07 GMT
Collins is the one that I least care about keeping (of Bursik, Collins, Souttar and Campbell). He’s probably going to be the one out of all of them that makes it as a top flight player, but he’s also the one we would least miss at this time. He’s not that much better (yet) than Batth or Chester, he still makes a good number of mistakes. He’s also the most likely one to get a good fee (though he’d get a better fee next summer if he had a full season doing well at centre back). If we have to sell one asset, he’d by my pick unfortunately.
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Post by stokecitytalke on May 27, 2021 13:09:42 GMT
Collins is the one that I least care about keeping (of Bursik, Collins, Souttar and Campbell). He’s probably going to be the one out of all of them that makes it as a top flight player, but he’s also the one we would least miss at this time. He’s not that much better (yet) than Batth or Chester, he still makes a good number of mistakes. He’s also the most likely one to get a good fee (though he’d get a better fee next summer if he had a full season doing well at centre back). If we have to sell one asset, he’d by my pick unfortunately. Yes, we are pretty strong at centre back, both young and old, so he would be easiest to replace.
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Post by GoBoks on May 27, 2021 13:20:06 GMT
40 years is a loooong time. Only really indicative of Stoke’s overall standard during that time though innit. A Stoke XI of the last forty years would be made up almost exclusively of players from ‘08 - ‘18 Which is what one would expect as that was our only time of (relative) success in the top flight during the past 40 years.
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Post by hardcastle on May 27, 2021 17:12:28 GMT
You could make a case for adding the young Andy Griffin to break the 2008-18 monopoly (in your theoretical team of the last 40 years) and, co-incidentally, he WAS a left back.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 17:20:22 GMT
Collins is the one that I least care about keeping (of Bursik, Collins, Souttar and Campbell). He’s probably going to be the one out of all of them that makes it as a top flight player, but he’s also the one we would least miss at this time. He’s not that much better (yet) than Batth or Chester, he still makes a good number of mistakes. He’s also the most likely one to get a good fee (though he’d get a better fee next summer if he had a full season doing well at centre back). If we have to sell one asset, he’d by my pick unfortunately. Prefer someone to buy Bursik personally but was only a matter of time before Collins got serious attention. nice we have such a decent bunch to be fair
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Post by PotterLog on May 27, 2021 18:20:36 GMT
You could make a case for adding the young Andy Griffin to break the 2008-18 monopoly (in your theoretical team of the last 40 years) and, co-incidentally, he WAS a left back. Fair shout, although he was still pretty young and raw with us. The only other ones I think might have a chance are Steino (in a two up front) and a peak Eustace in place of Whelan.
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Post by Absolution on May 27, 2021 18:46:33 GMT
You could make a case for adding the young Andy Griffin to break the 2008-18 monopoly (in your theoretical team of the last 40 years) and, co-incidentally, he WAS a left back. Fair shout, although he was still pretty young and raw with us. The only other ones I think might have a chance are Steino (in a two up front) and a peak Eustace in place of Whelan. Dave Watson, Mickey Thomas, Chambo. Not saying they'd walk in, but you'd have to consider them.
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