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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 9, 2020 3:10:00 GMT
Allen’s more use to us staying than being sold for 8m-10m. If he goes I fear for our safety unless we bring in a couple of very good players. £10m spent right, could go a long way towards getting us a decent Championship rebuild. We can't sniff at £10m for a player plodding around in the Championship relegation zone. If we get 10m you think we’ll reinvest it all then? I’d be very surprised if we do. Knowing Scholes we definately sign a downgrade.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 9, 2020 7:35:35 GMT
Allen’s more use to us staying than being sold for 8m-10m. If he goes I fear for our safety unless we bring in a couple of very good players. £10m spent right, could go a long way towards getting us a decent Championship rebuild. We can't sniff at £10m for a player plodding around in the Championship relegation zone. Sell our better players now though and there's no guarantee we'll be in the Championship to rebuild. January really isn't a time to rebuild, it's the window for the odd savvy addition or the last chance panic saloon of the damned.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 9, 2020 7:52:30 GMT
I think it would be a risk trying almost a complete midfield rebuild in January whilst in our precarious league position?
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Post by 3putts on Jan 9, 2020 7:57:32 GMT
I think it would be a risk trying almost a complete midfield rebuild in January whilst in our precarious league position? So many ignorant comments on here regarding Joe Allen no doubt if we do lose him they will also be the first to moan about losing our best players
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 9, 2020 8:30:36 GMT
£10m spent right, could go a long way towards getting us a decent Championship rebuild. We can't sniff at £10m for a player plodding around in the Championship relegation zone. Sell our better players now though and there's no guarantee we'll be in the Championship to rebuild. January really isn't a time to rebuild, it's the window for the odd savvy addition or the last chance panic saloon of the damned. letting etebo & badou go on loan deals will get some stick if we were relegated, its almost as if we are allready building for league 1
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Post by adamsson on Jan 9, 2020 9:04:27 GMT
I think it would be a risk trying almost a complete midfield rebuild in January whilst in our precarious league position? So many ignorant comments on here regarding Joe Allen no doubt if we do lose him they will also be the first to moan about losing our best players True but our best midfielders have been forced out on loan for no money at all.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 9, 2020 9:06:00 GMT
I was prepared to lose Etebo & Badou, what I was not prepared for was for this clown to still be here as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 13:36:44 GMT
£10m spent right, could go a long way towards getting us a decent Championship rebuild. We can't sniff at £10m for a player plodding around in the Championship relegation zone. Sell our better players now though and there's no guarantee we'll be in the Championship to rebuild. January really isn't a time to rebuild, it's the window for the odd savvy addition or the last chance panic saloon of the damned. I'm not thinking we'll do a rebuild in January - but we could start one just by bringing a couple in. As for losing our best players, we've lost our best two already. Meanwhile, Allen has been an ever-present whilst we have been by-and-large, absolutely shit, during which period our midfields have been over-ran, out-played, out-fought, and out-thought. Will losing Joe Allen cost us our Championship place? I don't think so. If we go down, it'll be because we're not good enough, collectively, as a team. Which is where £10m might come in handy.
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Post by cymap on Jan 9, 2020 13:43:08 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 9, 2020 13:47:56 GMT
Would losing Allen alone? No. Would losing Badou, Allen and Etebo? Quite possibly. Are you confident in the remaining midfield options for the rest of the season, or for us to negotiate the January window for a replacement with the heady brew of FFP and Scholes tying our hands behind our backs?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 9, 2020 14:07:55 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 9, 2020 14:21:34 GMT
Would losing Allen alone? No. Would losing Badou, Allen and Etebo? Quite possibly. Are you confident in the remaining midfield options for the rest of the season, or for us to negotiate the January window for a replacement with the heady brew of FFP and Scholes tying our hands behind our backs? FFP is an inconvenience in comparison to the catrastroiic role of Scholes in everything he’s touched for 4 years as a minimum my bet is the end of the window will see us with a seriously deselected squad a disillusioned manager Relegation odds increasing and chief executive pondering. His next pay rise and spouting faith in the process Ie nothing different until the head of the Snake is removed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 16:15:37 GMT
Would losing Allen alone? No. Would losing Badou, Allen and Etebo? Quite possibly. Are you confident in the remaining midfield options for the rest of the season, or for us to negotiate the January window for a replacement with the heady brew of FFP and Scholes tying our hands behind our backs? FFP is an inconvenience in comparison to the catrastroiic role of Scholes in everything he’s touched for 4 years as a minimum my bet is the end of the window will see us with a seriously deselected squad a disillusioned manager Relegation odds increasing and chief executive pondering. His next pay rise and spouting faith in the process Ie nothing different until the head of the Snake is removed It's looking increasingly likely that the head of the snake is actually the owners.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 9, 2020 17:16:59 GMT
FFP is an inconvenience in comparison to the catrastroiic role of Scholes in everything he’s touched for 4 years as a minimum my bet is the end of the window will see us with a seriously deselected squad a disillusioned manager Relegation odds increasing and chief executive pondering. His next pay rise and spouting faith in the process Ie nothing different until the head of the Snake is removed It's looking increasingly likely that the head of the snake is actually the owners. Good luck getting him to admit that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 9, 2020 20:37:21 GMT
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Post by senbonzakura on Jan 9, 2020 21:28:49 GMT
I think if Allen goes he will be harder to replace than some people think.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 10, 2020 1:50:56 GMT
I think if Allen goes he will be harder to replace than some people think. Oh absolutely. If anyone thinks our recruitment team will find anyone better in the next 2 weeks they are seriously deluded.
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Post by britvic72 on Jan 10, 2020 2:35:37 GMT
I think if Allen goes he will be harder to replace than some people think. Even harder than Whelan & Nzonzi
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 10, 2020 7:56:11 GMT
Contrary to some reports, it's understood that interest this time around doesn't hinge on the Hammers' attempts to sign Benfica's Gedson Fernandes on loan.
A couple of Premier League sides are understood to have made enquiries over a potential loan move with the option to buy at the end of the season, but given their financial situation, Stoke are likely to insist on a permanent, up front, cash deal.
Interest has also come from the continent, as well as China, but Allen himself is believed to be reluctant to explore those avenues due to personal reasons, despite the obvious financial boost that would come from the latter.
The noises coming out of last few weeks have suggested that there is a deal to be done should a club offer the right price.
It's still not quite clear what that value is, but the £8m touted as the fee being readied by West Ham may not be too far away.
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Post by karl on Jan 10, 2020 8:52:53 GMT
Is this going to end up being a watch and wait deadline day sale then?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 10, 2020 9:24:09 GMT
They were always going to buy themselves out of trouble. With the OS money they can afford to make big mistakes and keep buying without worrying about balancing the books.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 10, 2020 9:54:50 GMT
West Ham fans less than enthused about the prospect of Allen...over a Berge or Fernandes. Make of it what you will.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2020 10:12:21 GMT
I think if Allen goes he will be harder to replace than some people think. We just loaned a better and ideal replacement out
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 10, 2020 10:36:15 GMT
If he goes late in the transfer window then our options decrease dramatically. Business needs to be done quickly with West Ham or not at all. The prospect of scrambling around for an Allen replacement on loan makes me feel queasey. As does the prospect of a Cousins, Woods and Clucas midfield.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 10, 2020 10:45:28 GMT
I think if Allen goes he will be harder to replace than some people think. We just loaned a better and ideal replacement out Debatable (& no, I'm not going to) but even if you take that at face value, we have done now so while the point is well made as a broader commentary on the almighty horlicks our club has become (& one which I wholeheartedly agree with), there's no point in crying over spilt milk.
As I see it, out of the four 'best central MF-ers at the club, we have two left.
So I, for one, wouldn't advocate selling one of them (again, you can debate if he is the best or second best) unless an armoured truck brimming with cash arrived courtesy of the dildo bros.
And even then, an adequate / better (haha) replacement on a deal that makes selling Joe actually worth it - and doing so in time is just not going to happen is it?
Unless, of course, we had an absolutely brilliant scouting / transfer team that we could absolutely rely on to pull rabbits out of the hat at a moment's notice ...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2020 10:49:07 GMT
We just loaned a better and ideal replacement out Debatable (& no, I'm not going to) but even if you take that at face value, we have done now so while the point is well made as a broader commentary on the almighty horlicks our club has become (& one which I wholeheartedly agree with), there's no point in crying over spilt milk.
As I see it, out of the four 'best central MF-ers at the club, we have two left.
So I, for one, wouldn't advocate selling one of them (again, you can debate if he is the best or second best) unless an armoured truck brimming with cash arrived courtesy of the dildo bros.
And even then, an adequate / better (haha) replacement on a deal that makes selling Joe actually worth it - and doing so in time is just not going to happen is it?
Unless, of course, we had an absolutely brilliant scouting / transfer team that we could absolutely rely on to pull rabbits out of the hat at a moment's notice ...
I have Joseph at least fifth so I'm not arsed. Getting ridding of the ideal replacement and the bloke who should have been in the side anyway does arse me. You can improve the team and finances with one move and we don't. Great club
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 10, 2020 11:01:45 GMT
Debatable (& no, I'm not going to) but even if you take that at face value, we have done now so while the point is well made as a broader commentary on the almighty horlicks our club has become (& one which I wholeheartedly agree with), there's no point in crying over spilt milk.
As I see it, out of the four 'best central MF-ers at the club, we have two left.
So I, for one, wouldn't advocate selling one of them (again, you can debate if he is the best or second best) unless an armoured truck brimming with cash arrived courtesy of the dildo bros.
And even then, an adequate / better (haha) replacement on a deal that makes selling Joe actually worth it - and doing so in time is just not going to happen is it?
Unless, of course, we had an absolutely brilliant scouting / transfer team that we could absolutely rely on to pull rabbits out of the hat at a moment's notice ...
I have Joseph at least fifth so I'm not arsed. Getting ridding of the ideal replacement and the bloke who should have been in the side anyway does arse me. You can improve the team and finances with one move and we don't. Great club I wasn't going to but ...
So, 5th including Baddou and Etebo, or excluding them?
Discounting them (which you have to) I'm struggling to count x4 ahead of him personally.
& I hate to tell you B., but BN'D & PE ain't coming back this season.
So, again, while I agree, 100%, with your sarcasm about the way we're being run, it won't help the here and now to sell JA one bit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 10, 2020 11:24:10 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 10, 2020 11:37:31 GMT
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