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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 7, 2020 9:41:10 GMT
Tear our midfield apart to rebuild? All for a measly £8m. Let's get real, we need to hold on to our best players if we can. He's only 29. I'd prefer to do that than try to 'build one around him'. Why?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 7, 2020 9:49:10 GMT
If Allen does go, I’d love us to invest the money in a genuinely creative midfielder, a graphic I saw the other day showed we don’t have a single midfielder who is registering two passes into the final third or one pass into the box per 90 minutes.
We’re a dearth of guile from the midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 10:08:35 GMT
I'd prefer to do that than try to 'build one around him'. Why? Firstly, I have a strong feeling he thinks he's still a PL player - so doesn't really want to be here. That's fair enough, if so. I don't agree if that's the case, but hey-ho. If we can get £8m-£10m for him, then spent properly* we can go some way to rebuilding some keys areas of the squad. That's decent money for him, I think. I've never been convinced he's actually 'that' good. I still maintain that he should have stood out like a beacon in the Championship, if he's as good as some say he is. I don't think he's stood out much at all. I'm not sure what his best position is, nor, what his best attributes are (passing, goalscoring, physicality, discipline, reading of the game, what?) All in all, he's one of our most saleable assets, at a time when FFP is coming to bear, and we're trying to rebuild a squad. * yes, we'd need to spend it wisely/correctly.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 7, 2020 20:34:59 GMT
www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/07/west-ham-loan-move-benfica-midfielder-gedson-fernandes-stallsWest Ham’s attempts to sign Gedson Fernandes have stalled following the latest round of talks with Benfica over a loan deal for the Portuguese midfielder.
Sources close to the deal are sceptical about West Ham’s chances of completing the signing.
West Ham are keen to strengthen their midfield as they look to preserve their Premier League status and their business in January would not be over if they do sign Fernandes, who is regarded as a long-term prospect rather than a player who can go straight into Moyes’s side.
Moyes, who replaced Manuel Pellegrini as manager last week, has long been an admirer of Stoke City’s Joe Allen and there is interest in Genk’s Sander Berge.
West Ham are also believed to have renewed their interest in Marseille’s Morgan Sanson.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 8, 2020 13:21:13 GMT
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Post by stokemark on Jan 8, 2020 13:27:33 GMT
The Welsh Pirlo 'unfashionable' What is football coming to
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 8, 2020 13:48:21 GMT
The Welsh Pirlo 'unfashionable' What is football coming to Allen will never go out of fashion He has never been 'in' fashion
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Post by noustie on Jan 8, 2020 13:54:38 GMT
It's a tough one as, although I'm not a massive fan, he is one of our better players. However, if we got decent money and was able to replace him with a midfielder who could put it about a bit along with a left back it would work out ok. I have neither the confidence that we will get a decent price for him or that our crack recruitment team will find the players we'll need so wouldn't be surprised if we sold him for peanuts then brought a 35 year old right back in.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 8, 2020 17:14:18 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 8, 2020 17:41:12 GMT
If Allen does go, I’d love us to invest the money in a genuinely creative midfielder, a graphic I saw the other day showed we don’t have a single midfielder who is registering two passes into the final third or one pass into the box per 90 minutes. We’re a dearth of guile from the midfield. the stats would suggest we should bite West Ham's hand offs. Allen has no assists this season, the same as Badou and Etebo. Allen has 3 goals but its hardly prolific, Clucas has 6 goals and 2 assists. We are fourth from bottom and we have hardly played many teams off the pitch in midfield over the last couple of years and no PL clubs seem interested in Badou or Etebo. maybe a complete clear out is the right approach?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 8, 2020 17:44:11 GMT
If Allen does go, I’d love us to invest the money in a genuinely creative midfielder, a graphic I saw the other day showed we don’t have a single midfielder who is registering two passes into the final third or one pass into the box per 90 minutes. We’re a dearth of guile from the midfield. the stats would suggest we should bite West Ham's hand offs. Allen has no assists this season, the same as Badou and Etebo. Allen has 3 goals but its hardly prolific, Clucas has 6 goals and 2 assists. We are fourth from bottom and we have hardly played many teams off the pitch in midfield over the last couple of years and no PL clubs seem interested in Badou or Etebo. maybe a complete clear out is the right approach? In the summer maybe? But mid-season in a relegation battle? Do we have faith in the midfielders currently at the club to do a job until the end of the season if we get rid of three of our best four?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 8, 2020 17:45:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 17:57:57 GMT
One more: can Stoke afford not to change the habits of recent old with players like Joe Allen running nonstop around getting nowhere, getting nothing done, when Allen is unable to change himself?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 8, 2020 18:35:30 GMT
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Joe Allen
Jan 8, 2020 18:47:08 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Jan 8, 2020 18:47:08 GMT
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Joe Allen
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 8, 2020 19:01:25 GMT
Loan with option to buy
Exchange for one of Fredericks, Masuaku, Snodgrass would be alright
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 8, 2020 19:07:21 GMT
www.skysports.com/transfer-centreBREAKING NEWS Chelsea have made an offer for Benfica midfielder Gedson Fernandes. The offer is thought to be for an 18 month loan with an obligation to buy for £55m, provided he plays in at least 50 per cent of the games during the loan spell. West Ham United’s latest offer is for an 18 month loan with an obligation to buy for £33m – the percentage of games to trigger the obligation is less than Chelsea’s. The decision will rest with Benfica and the player.
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Post by brumstokie on Jan 8, 2020 20:14:29 GMT
They’re offering £8m - we want £12m - £10m it is then🤗
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Joe Allen
Jan 8, 2020 21:23:11 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 8, 2020 21:23:11 GMT
We are about to had over again it’s £15m or look elsewhere David thank you anything else is a nonsense price wise , I would t sele him regardless of the price but that seems to be being done despite the manger wanting to keep him
We sold the arnie for 20m and a add ins and it cost us £110m revenue for the last 2 years lessons learned or not .
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Jan 8, 2020 22:15:49 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jan 8, 2020 22:15:49 GMT
We are about to had over again it’s £15m or look elsewhere David thank you anything else is a nonsense price wise , I would t sele him regardless of the price but that seems to be being done despite the manger wanting to keep him We sold the arnie for 20m and a add ins and it cost us £110m revenue for the last 2 years lessons learned or not . £15m? more than we paid for him. He's now 30 and playing...not amazingly at the arse end of the Championship. What you being drinking? £10m yes £5n fuck off £8m? Mmm, probably not. Your comparison with Arnie makes no sense.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 8, 2020 22:19:47 GMT
We are about to had over again it’s £15m or look elsewhere David thank you anything else is a nonsense price wise , I would t sele him regardless of the price but that seems to be being done despite the manger wanting to keep him We sold the arnie for 20m and a add ins and it cost us £110m revenue for the last 2 years lessons learned or not . £15m? more than we paid for him. He's now 30 and playing...not amazingly at the arse end of the Championship. What you being drinking? £10m yes £5n fuck off £8m? Mmm, probably not. Your comparison with Arnie makes no sense. Not to mention the £2.5 million a year saving on his wages for the remainder of his contract.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 8, 2020 22:21:20 GMT
Sell! Sell! Sell!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 8, 2020 22:22:22 GMT
Allen’s more use to us staying than being sold for 8m-10m. If he goes I fear for our safety unless we bring in a couple of very good players.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 8, 2020 22:28:06 GMT
They’re offering £8m - we want £12m - £10m it is then🤗 You are forgetting we have Scholes leading the negotiations, 18month loan we pay half his wage an option to buy when Wet Sham win us the World Cup again for £4m plus another 150k a year rise for the weasel
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:31:45 GMT
Allen’s more use to us staying than being sold for 8m-10m. If he goes I fear for our safety unless we bring in a couple of very good players. £10m spent right, could go a long way towards getting us a decent Championship rebuild. We can't sniff at £10m for a player plodding around in the Championship relegation zone.
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Post by doitforfrank on Jan 8, 2020 22:47:12 GMT
If he hadnt been given the pay rise and new contract for being shit and getting relegated, he'd be worth about tuppence now as his contract would be running down. As it is its hard to imagine why anyone in their right mind would offer us even what we paid for him.
I'd say £8m - £10m would be ripping West Ham off, given his form since he's been here. In my opinion he's the most overrated player from the Premier League era.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 8, 2020 23:28:51 GMT
We are about to had over again it’s £15m or look elsewhere David thank you anything else is a nonsense price wise , I would t sele him regardless of the price but that seems to be being done despite the manger wanting to keep him We sold the arnie for 20m and a add ins and it cost us £110m revenue for the last 2 years lessons learned or not . £15m? more than we paid for him. He's now 30 and playing...not amazingly at the arse end of the Championship. What you being drinking? £10m yes £5n fuck off £8m? Mmm, probably not. Your comparison with Arnie makes no sense. Markets moves since we bought him it’s January and they’ve £100m riding on it not to mention we’ve no replacement
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 9, 2020 0:08:15 GMT
I like Joe Allen, love his attitude, a fine example of a captain, and gives 100% But you have to ask what does he actually contribute to the side? The only answer is the occasional goal; 3 this season, but Clucas has scored 6. However MFs are not there to score goals, useful bonus that it is. MF are there to create, by passing and splitting open defences. They are also there to defend and intercept opposition passes, and press and harry opponents. Joe has created nothing this season ( www.sport.de/fussball/england-championship/assists/ ). Almost everyone in the regular side has had more assists, even though almost all have played less. Joe is no help at defending either. Much as I like him, I would let him go, and wish him well in the twilight of his career. £8m seems optimistic to me and I expect negotiations will go on till the deadline. Hopefully Joe will be playing well for a move over the coming weeks and if sold we use the money for either a proper defensive MF who can defend effectively like Whelan, or a more creative MF who actually produces lots of assists. I realise it means we will have lost 3 box to box MFs, but can we honestly say they have been a huge success in terms of results/points/goals these last 2 seasons, good as they look at times.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 9, 2020 1:28:13 GMT
Unbelievable he's now seen as the difference between relegation and safety and we have the gall to accuse the board and owners of not learning lessons. Sure, the loans of our two best midfielders recently makes it harder to let go without it leaving us nervously above bottom three but it's about time someone at the club showed some balls and negotiate a deal to see the scummy twat gone for good.
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Post by upthefud on Jan 9, 2020 1:38:37 GMT
If Allen does go, I’d love us to invest the money in a genuinely creative midfielder, a graphic I saw the other day showed we don’t have a single midfielder who is registering two passes into the final third or one pass into the box per 90 minutes. We’re a dearth of guile from the midfield. the stats would suggest we should bite West Ham's hand offs. Allen has no assists this season, the same as Badou and Etebo. Allen has 3 goals but its hardly prolific, Clucas has 6 goals and 2 assists. We are fourth from bottom and we have hardly played many teams off the pitch in midfield over the last couple of years and no PL clubs seem interested in Badou or Etebo. maybe a complete clear out is the right approach? I refuse to believe Allen didn't get the assist for McCleans opener vs Sheff Wed
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