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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 6, 2020 17:28:25 GMT
He’ll go for 7 million and I’ll be very disappointed, with the price, but more so with the fact that we’d be so stupid to sell.
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 17:31:07 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Jan 6, 2020 17:31:07 GMT
Can't see why we'd sell for 8m? Because he's shit and you could replace him for half that With Scholes at the helm really???
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Post by s7oke on Jan 6, 2020 17:33:01 GMT
We paid about 6 million for fucking woods 😱
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 17:40:26 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 6, 2020 17:40:26 GMT
Surely there is no way we would let him, Etebo and Badou all leave in the same window?.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 17:42:13 GMT
Surely there is no way we would let him, Etebo and Badou all leave in the same window?. I think we would. Allen is the only player we could get that money for and allow any sort of room for a rebuild - and we've had no interest in keeping the other 2 since MON came in, have we? They've been non-factors for months.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:42:23 GMT
SLP are claiming West Ham have opened with a bid of 5 million! I'm led to believe we're in the process of talking that figure down to a loan. Big To is working hard on it. Didn't we turn down 25M from West Ham two years ago?
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 17:43:59 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 6, 2020 17:43:59 GMT
Maybe we could say 8 million, with a couple more million in add-ons once he's played 30 games
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 6, 2020 17:46:24 GMT
Surely there is no way we would let him, Etebo and Badou all leave in the same window?. I think we would. Allen is the only player we could get that money for and allow any sort of room for a rebuild - and we've had no interest in keeping the other 2 since MON came in, have we? They've been non-factors for months. And that sums up just how shit our recruitment has been for the past three years, how is Scholes still in a job. We signed 12 players under Jones they are all to a man not good enough.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 6, 2020 17:53:36 GMT
Maybe we could say 8 million, with a couple more million in add-ons once he's played 30 games Or maybe we'll say how dare you offer 8m when we would accept 6m?
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 6, 2020 18:04:51 GMT
I think it would be a gamble letting him go unless he has someone lined up. Not seen us linked to any central midfielders though?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 18:07:23 GMT
www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=176128&sid=24d6490a942e8e24d4a32d02bd4b7112&start=2220Mixed views on their board, as you'd expect. Some clinging to his Euro 2016 team of the tournament selection and his Liverpool move. I did find this Rodgers quote from years ago that someone posted...interesting. www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/brendan-rodgers-joe-allen-welsh-18565548“I would have paid many millions more for this kid. He’s unique in that he’s a British player who is incredible on the ball.
“Joe’s role is to keep the ball. And that, in Britain, is a special talent. It is why Paul Scholes is still playing to his age. It is such a rare talent for a midfielder to rarely give the ball away.
“Where we have been really pleased with Joe is with his tactical discipline. Maybe he’s never going to score as many as Steven Gerrard but he’s certainly got quality going forward.
“Offensively, he has far more than what a lot of people have seen, just because he’s having to play a more sitting role at the moment.
“I have played him in there because he knows how to control the game. He is courageous and will go and get the ball in any area.
“It is his tactical discipline to stay and keep the shape of the team and offer the passing line, which has been really good though."
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Jan 6, 2020 18:07:37 GMT
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Post by rawli on Jan 6, 2020 18:07:37 GMT
Thing is, going forwards, a 4231 in the way that we set up at Huddersfield, with either Badou or Etebo alongside Clucas, with Joe leaving for some proper money and his massive wages off the books, would look pretty damn smart, all round. But there seems to be absolutely no joined up thinking at the club ... why let both the African fellas go, when we could get a decent deal for Allen? Because we're in shit street ffp-wise?
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 6, 2020 18:10:11 GMT
www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=176128&sid=24d6490a942e8e24d4a32d02bd4b7112&start=2220Mixed views on their board, as you'd expect. Some clinging to his Euro 2016 team of the tournament selection and his Liverpool move. I did find this Rodgers quote from years ago that someone posted...interesting. www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/brendan-rodgers-joe-allen-welsh-18565548“I would have paid many millions more for this kid. He’s unique in that he’s a British player who is incredible on the ball.
“Joe’s role is to keep the ball. And that, in Britain, is a special talent. It is why Paul Scholes is still playing to his age. It is such a rare talent for a midfielder to rarely give the ball away.
“Where we have been really pleased with Joe is with his tactical discipline. Maybe he’s never going to score as many as Steven Gerrard but he’s certainly got quality going forward.
“Offensively, he has far more than what a lot of people have seen, just because he’s having to play a more sitting role at the moment.
“I have played him in there because he knows how to control the game. He is courageous and will go and get the ball in any area.
“It is his tactical discipline to stay and keep the shape of the team and offer the passing line, which has been really good though." Fuckin hell, that's like a game of "describe the opposite of Joe Allen"
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 18:12:48 GMT
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Post by rawli on Jan 6, 2020 18:12:48 GMT
I like how brentford go about someone inquiring about a player of theirs. 25m please or fuck off. Their players aren't in their 30s and they aren't bleeding 60k a week paying them. That's 3 million a year off the books in wages alone.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 18:14:48 GMT
www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=176128&sid=24d6490a942e8e24d4a32d02bd4b7112&start=2220Mixed views on their board, as you'd expect. Some clinging to his Euro 2016 team of the tournament selection and his Liverpool move. I did find this Rodgers quote from years ago that someone posted...interesting. www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/brendan-rodgers-joe-allen-welsh-18565548“I would have paid many millions more for this kid. He’s unique in that he’s a British player who is incredible on the ball.
“Joe’s role is to keep the ball. And that, in Britain, is a special talent. It is why Paul Scholes is still playing to his age. It is such a rare talent for a midfielder to rarely give the ball away.
“Where we have been really pleased with Joe is with his tactical discipline. Maybe he’s never going to score as many as Steven Gerrard but he’s certainly got quality going forward.
“Offensively, he has far more than what a lot of people have seen, just because he’s having to play a more sitting role at the moment.
“I have played him in there because he knows how to control the game. He is courageous and will go and get the ball in any area.
“It is his tactical discipline to stay and keep the shape of the team and offer the passing line, which has been really good though." Fuckin hell, that's like a game of "describe the opposite of Joe Allen" I think we must have signed his brother
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 6, 2020 18:40:31 GMT
Its a payday that Joe deserves and he would be crazy not to go .... not less than 15m though ... we'll just have to live with it and adapt. Good luck, fella. And muchos gracias .. Why does he deserve it?
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 18:42:52 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jan 6, 2020 18:42:52 GMT
I like how brentford go about someone inquiring about a player of theirs. 25m please or fuck off. Their players aren't in their 30s and they aren't bleeding 60k a week paying them. That's 3 million a year off the books in wages alone. You are correct that it's a bad analogy If we are going to be thinking long term it would make sense to prioritize up and coming players (from the Academy or from elsewhere) then when we get one that looks the business we can then ask for decent fees. At the moment we are chasing our tail financially with all these players in bigger money.
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 19:04:30 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jan 6, 2020 19:04:30 GMT
I like how brentford go about someone inquiring about a player of theirs. 25m please or fuck off. Their players aren't in their 30s and they aren't bleeding 60k a week paying them. That's 3 million a year off the books in wages alone. But my point is it doesn't matter what age or if they are messi jr, no club will offer us anywhere near what they would offer other clubs. Everyone has seen stoke as easy mugs when it comes to selling players for over 40 years
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 6, 2020 19:22:04 GMT
I can only imagine his wages if we feel the need to sell him for only £8M! I thought at least we were talking about £10M+ here, but obviously not!
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 19:47:52 GMT
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 6, 2020 19:47:52 GMT
Must really push for 10million at least. That's what pearson will cost from preston
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 6, 2020 19:54:22 GMT
Must really push for 10million at least. That's what pearson will cost from preston Yeah, I'm sure he's absolutely gagging to leave a promotion chase for a relegation scrap.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 6, 2020 20:20:19 GMT
Surely there is no way we would let him, Etebo and Badou all leave in the same window?. I think we would. Allen is the only player we could get that money for and allow any sort of room for a rebuild - and we've had no interest in keeping the other 2 since MON came in, have we? They've been non-factors for months. Tear our midfield apart to rebuild? All for a measly £8m. Let's get real, we need to hold on to our best players if we can. He's only 29.
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 20:33:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 20:33:16 GMT
I think we would. Allen is the only player we could get that money for and allow any sort of room for a rebuild - and we've had no interest in keeping the other 2 since MON came in, have we? They've been non-factors for months. Tear our midfield apart to rebuild? All for a measly £8m. Let's get real, we need to hold on to our best players if we can. He's only 29. I'd prefer to do that than try to 'build one around him'.
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Jan 6, 2020 20:52:56 GMT
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Post by rawli on Jan 6, 2020 20:52:56 GMT
Their players aren't in their 30s and they aren't bleeding 60k a week paying them. That's 3 million a year off the books in wages alone. But my point is it doesn't matter what age or if they are messi jr, no club will offer us anywhere near what they would offer other clubs. Everyone has seen stoke as easy mugs when it comes to selling players for over 40 years Before he got rich everyone knew the chairman would skin a fart. After the gambling revolution we've not really bought anyone with a massive sell on value. Arnie was an exception.
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Post by borges on Jan 6, 2020 21:43:04 GMT
www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=176128&sid=24d6490a942e8e24d4a32d02bd4b7112&start=2220Mixed views on their board, as you'd expect. Some clinging to his Euro 2016 team of the tournament selection and his Liverpool move. I did find this Rodgers quote from years ago that someone posted...interesting. www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/brendan-rodgers-joe-allen-welsh-18565548“I would have paid many millions more for this kid. He’s unique in that he’s a British player who is incredible on the ball.
“Joe’s role is to keep the ball. And that, in Britain, is a special talent. It is why Paul Scholes is still playing to his age. It is such a rare talent for a midfielder to rarely give the ball away.
“Where we have been really pleased with Joe is with his tactical discipline. Maybe he’s never going to score as many as Steven Gerrard but he’s certainly got quality going forward.
“Offensively, he has far more than what a lot of people have seen, just because he’s having to play a more sitting role at the moment.
“I have played him in there because he knows how to control the game. He is courageous and will go and get the ball in any area.
“It is his tactical discipline to stay and keep the shape of the team and offer the passing line, which has been really good though." Lots of parallels with us in that their fans don't seem to rate the club's ability to buy the players they need! Interesting that someone on there mentioned Nzonzi, who rarely seems to get a mention from fans of other clubs. If I were a Premiership team looking for a central midfielder, I'd be breaking down Roma's door to get him in ahead of most other options (assuming he's burned his bridges at Galatasaray and can play for another team this season)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 22:15:30 GMT
We need to do everything we can to keep Joe, at least until the end of the season. Losing him could be disastrous - come on Stoke, don’t let this happen
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 6, 2020 22:35:27 GMT
The money isnt the only issue. I wouldve thought Allen himself will have a strong desire to return to the PL so we will need to manage his emotions around this speculation very carefully if a repeat of Butland's situation is to be avoided.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 6, 2020 23:48:12 GMT
Not an easy decision but it would make a big FFP impact. On balance, sell and reduce both wage bill and return some profit. We paid £13m for him Fred Yes, but what would be his amortised value now? 3 years @ 20% = roughly £7.8m, leaving £5.2m? For £10m we "profit" £4.8m, £2.8m if £8m sale? Isn't that how it works?
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Post by pottarius on Jan 7, 2020 7:10:41 GMT
Fuckin hell, that's like a game of "describe the opposite of Joe Allen" I think we must have signed his brother Faux Allen
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 7, 2020 7:27:15 GMT
Must really push for 10million at least. That's what pearson will cost from preston Yes but Preston have a good bargaining tool - he is actually worth that amount whereas Allen isn’t and we have a kid with a calculator managing the transfers at our club.
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