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Post by lstokie on Jan 5, 2020 12:38:19 GMT
I wonder if it's the Manager, or the respondent, who is clueless? Please read between the lines and “think” was the post being aimed at those that continually deride JA and have a pop at MON at every opportunity. Looks like I'm not the only one you've got to apologise for lack of understanding aswell. Whats that saying about checking your own shoes..?
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 5, 2020 12:56:14 GMT
Joe does my head in, he can look like a headless chicken and poor at keeping his position for sure, but when he has confidence in those around him in a system that everyone understands, then he starts to look like a high pressing superb midfielder. When nub job was trying the james McLean at left back experiment Joe was literally trying to do his own job along side dropping back to help out at left back. Since we have been playing the system with clucas and james back in his proper position he has had to help out on that side of the pitch much less. To see the very best of Joe we just need to replace Ince with someone willing to do their job much like James on the other side.
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Post by pushon on Jan 5, 2020 14:09:37 GMT
Joe does my head in, he can look like a headless chicken and poor at keeping his position for sure, but when he has confidence in those around him in a system that everyone understands, then he starts to look like a high pressing superb midfielder. When nub job was trying the james McLean at left back experiment Joe was literally trying to do his own job along side dropping back to help out at left back. Since we have been playing the system with clucas and james back in his proper position he has had to help out on that side of the pitch much less. To see the very best of Joe we just need to replace Ince with someone willing to do their job much like James on the other side. I think Joe is instructed to be a roving/roaming player, without a fixed position on the pitch. Getting involved in the play where possible and helping out in attack or defense or wherever needed. Much like the style of play which Steven Gerrard was admired for. He's as good at starting the press as he is at turning over the oppositions possession and for a small guy he wins more than his fairshare of headers.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2020 15:43:50 GMT
Joe does my head in, he can look like a headless chicken and poor at keeping his position for sure, but when he has confidence in those around him in a system that everyone understands, then he starts to look like a high pressing superb midfielder. When nub job was trying the james McLean at left back experiment Joe was literally trying to do his own job along side dropping back to help out at left back. Since we have been playing the system with clucas and james back in his proper position he has had to help out on that side of the pitch much less. To see the very best of Joe we just need to replace Ince with someone willing to do their job much like James on the other side. I think Joe is instructed to be a roving/roaming player, without a fixed position on the pitch. Getting involved in the play where possible and helping out in attack or defense or wherever needed. Much like the style of play which Steven Gerrard was admired for. He's as good at starting the press as he is at turning over the oppositions possession and for a small guy he wins more than his fairshare of headers. Is he instructed not to pick up runners or to be slow to press the ball in dangerous areas? I’d be amazed if he was specifically instructed to roam, by successive managers, given our defensive frailties in recent years. Even Gerrard looked far better when he had a proper holding player like Lucas behind him doing the dirty work or like the superior Xabi Alonso, serenely gliding around behind him picking up the pieces and dictating things. The encouraging thing has been that MON is the first manager we’ve had who seems to have worked out that getting the best out of him requires either a dedicated holding player or asking him to be more disciplined as he was at Huddersfield.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 15:07:11 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/06/west-ham-re-sign-darren-randolph-stoke-city-less-4m/Goalkeeper Darren Randolph is set to complete a return to West Ham United for a fee of less than £4million, with the club still considering a bid for Stoke City midfielder Joe Allen. Moyes also wants a midfielder and a forward this month, with talks set to take place over a potential move for Allen, who Stoke value at around £7m. Allen would have joined West Ham if Moyes had stayed on after keeping the club up during his first stint, but the club’s transfer plans changed when he was replaced by Manuel Pellegrini.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 15:21:44 GMT
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Post by onionman on Jan 6, 2020 15:37:56 GMT
I think Joe is instructed to be a roving/roaming player, without a fixed position on the pitch. Getting involved in the play where possible and helping out in attack or defense or wherever needed. Much like the style of play which Steven Gerrard was admired for. He's as good at starting the press as he is at turning over the oppositions possession and for a small guy he wins more than his fairshare of headers. Is he instructed not to pick up runners or to be slow to press the ball in dangerous areas? I’d be amazed if he was specifically instructed to roam, by successive managers, given our defensive frailties in recent years. Even Gerrard looked far better when he had a proper holding player like Lucas behind him doing the dirty work or like the superior Xabi Alonso, serenely gliding around behind him picking up the pieces and dictating things. The encouraging thing has been that MON is the first manager we’ve had who seems to have worked out that getting the best out of him requires either a dedicated holding player or asking him to be more disciplined as he was at Huddersfield. Gerrard’s famous Champions League final performance came after Hamann was brought on. There’s a reason why Gerrard and Lampard never worked well together.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 6, 2020 15:39:55 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/06/west-ham-re-sign-darren-randolph-stoke-city-less-4m/Goalkeeper Darren Randolph is set to complete a return to West Ham United for a fee of less than £4million, with the club still considering a bid for Stoke City midfielder Joe Allen. Moyes also wants a midfielder and a forward this month, with talks set to take place over a potential move for Allen, who Stoke value at around £7m. Allen would have joined West Ham if Moyes had stayed on after keeping the club up during his first stint, but the club’s transfer plans changed when he was replaced by Manuel Pellegrini. Valued at £2million less than we paid for fat Sam Vokes WTF.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 6, 2020 15:47:16 GMT
Needs to be 10million minimum.
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Post by greenman on Jan 6, 2020 15:57:34 GMT
£7m is a fair price for player plying his trade near the foot of the championship.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 6, 2020 15:58:32 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/01/06/west-ham-re-sign-darren-randolph-stoke-city-less-4m/Goalkeeper Darren Randolph is set to complete a return to West Ham United for a fee of less than £4million, with the club still considering a bid for Stoke City midfielder Joe Allen. Moyes also wants a midfielder and a forward this month, with talks set to take place over a potential move for Allen, who Stoke value at around £7m. Allen would have joined West Ham if Moyes had stayed on after keeping the club up during his first stint, but the club’s transfer plans changed when he was replaced by Manuel Pellegrini. Valued at £2million less than we paid for fat Sam Vokes WTF. Well, now you put it like that...
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 15:59:46 GMT
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 6, 2020 15:59:46 GMT
Needs to be 10million minimum. Not an easy decision but it would make a big FFP impact. On balance, sell and reduce both wage bill and return some profit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 16:00:01 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 16:08:55 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2020 16:09:54 GMT
Can't see why we'd sell for 8m?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 16:10:08 GMT
If we sell Allen for that we’re daft I reckon.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 6, 2020 16:21:57 GMT
£6.5 million too much for the fat lump.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 6, 2020 16:24:01 GMT
Needs to be 10million minimum. Not an easy decision but it would make a big FFP impact. On balance, sell and reduce both wage bill and return some profit. We paid £13m for him Fred
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 6, 2020 16:25:20 GMT
Not a player that I would like to see leave. We'll miss him if it happens.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 6, 2020 16:27:57 GMT
Do we think it will happen though, I guess if the player is pushing for it then perhaps it is more likely. He does start our high press to be fair at the moment. Would be quite a tough ask to find a suitable replacement in the bargain stores we are currently operating in?.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 6, 2020 16:32:38 GMT
Do we think it will happen though, I guess if the player is pushing for it then perhaps it is more likely. He does start our high press to be fair at the moment. Would be quite a tough ask to find a suitable replacement in the bargain stores we are currently operating in?. Starting place for Duffy ?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 6, 2020 16:56:54 GMT
Considering we let Badou and Etebo go letting Allen leave in this window would be suicidal.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 6, 2020 17:06:07 GMT
8m? The board will be thinking they're master negotiators. We could have mo salah on our books and he'd got for about 15m so about right for our lot.
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 17:09:52 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 6, 2020 17:09:52 GMT
SLP are claiming West Ham have opened with a bid of 5 million!
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 6, 2020 17:13:02 GMT
SLP are claiming West Ham have opened with a bid of 5 million! Despite not always performing we need more than 5 million to justify letting him leave. He's really picked up recently under MON.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 6, 2020 17:13:32 GMT
Can't see why we'd sell for 8m? Because he's shit and you could replace him for half that
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 17:16:46 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2020 17:16:46 GMT
Can't see why we'd sell for 8m? Because he's shit and you could replace him for half that Agreed on all counts but people still strangely rate him. We can get more than that.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 6, 2020 17:19:24 GMT
Can't see why we'd sell for 8m? Because he's shit and you could replace him for half that Absolute nonsense.
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 17:21:23 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jan 6, 2020 17:21:23 GMT
SLP are claiming West Ham have opened with a bid of 5 million! That's because they know we are run by a bunch of incompetent muppets when it comes to sales of players. I think you'd probably be looking at league 2 standard of sales over the years at best.
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Joe Allen
Jan 6, 2020 17:24:17 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jan 6, 2020 17:24:17 GMT
I like how brentford go about someone inquiring about a player of theirs. 25m please or fuck off.
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