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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 4, 2020 11:39:43 GMT
Woods can't be anywhere near it, we've looked so much better without him. Doesn’t leave a lot of wiggle room does it, given Powell’s frailty. True, we'd need another body in in midfield, I just don't think Woods is the right player, I'd cash in tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 12:25:39 GMT
The top 2 have left. Clucas already plays. Powell plays a different position. Duffy?? Good lord. Which leaves Woods. And if you think Woods is better than Allen, then we just disagree. I explained the Powell point in my post. The point with Etebo and Ndiaye is I would have played them both before they left over Joe Allen. Duffy is a very good player, evidently won’t be for us. I know Clucas plays but if I were to drop one of the two it would always be Allen. And Woods does show that he is a very good player, albeit only for very short periods after he comes back into the team. So you’d go back in time and use Etebo and Badou. Superb idea.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 4, 2020 12:27:49 GMT
Thing is, going forwards, a 4231 in the way that we set up at Huddersfield, with either Badou or Etebo alongside Clucas, with Joe leaving for some proper money and his massive wages off the books, would look pretty damn smart, all round.
But there seems to be absolutely no joined up thinking at the club ... why let both the African fellas go, when we could get a decent deal for Allen?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 12:29:09 GMT
The top 2 have left. Clucas already plays. Powell plays a different position. Duffy?? Good lord. Which leaves Woods. And if you think Woods is better than Allen, then we just disagree. I explained the Powell point in my post. The point with Etebo and Ndiaye is I would have played them both before they left over Joe Allen. Duffy is a very good player, evidently won’t be for us. I know Clucas plays but if I were to drop one of the two it would always be Allen. And Woods does show that he is a very good player, albeit only for very short periods after he comes back into the team. Allen, since the arrival of O’Neill, has perhaps been our best player. His decision making in his pressing game has been very good and he looks like a top player at this level. Duffy is 30 something, an attacking midfielder not a cm, and won’t even be here in July. Something also has to be said for the fact that, despite struggling at the bottom of the Championship, Allen can command a good fee, where as Badou couldn’t secure permanent moves in successive loans and Etebo couldn’t get a permanent move away either.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 4, 2020 13:09:09 GMT
15 million for a 30 year old is the type of business that I’d expect us to do. They’d get much more value in the long run looking at a Ben Pearson, Christian Norgaard, John Swift or Krystian Bielik. Still if they’re willing to stump up that sort of cash, I’m not too sure how we could refuse it. Not to mention Sander Berge. Sander Berge seriously??? He twenty million for one thing But West Ham are after him and Liverpool and Napoli are also watching him. Not a chance we can sign him unless we can turn the clock back two years. Although he is quality. I’m not suggesting we sign him 😂 I’m saying I think West Ham would be better off going for those players mentioned rather than spunking 15 million on a 30 year old.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 4, 2020 13:14:08 GMT
Strange how such a shit player is wanted by a team a league above us, West Ham and Moyes need to learn off this board 😂🙄 West Ham are famous for their value for money recruitment after all!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 13:15:11 GMT
Thing is, going forwards, a 4231 in the way that we set up at Huddersfield, with either Badou or Etebo alongside Clucas, with Joe leaving for some proper money and his massive wages off the books, would look pretty damn smart, all round. But there seems to be absolutely no joined up thinking at the club ... why let both the African fellas go, when we could get a decent deal for Allen? The way I think the club will go with this is sell any player they can get big money for, loan players who won't attract offers for more than their original purchase price and replace with loans or short deals until the summer. If a permanent deal from the lower leagues becomes viable then they will do that. I have no doubt that Allen, NDiaye, Etebo and Woods will be elsewhere in February, with a young player from the lower leagues in permanently, a young player on loan from a big club and possibly an experienced head in on a short term deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 13:18:10 GMT
Thing is, going forwards, a 4231 in the way that we set up at Huddersfield, with either Badou or Etebo alongside Clucas, with Joe leaving for some proper money and his massive wages off the books, would look pretty damn smart, all round. But there seems to be absolutely no joined up thinking at the club ... why let both the African fellas go, when we could get a decent deal for Allen? The way I think the club will go with this is sell any player they can get big money for, loan players who won't attract offers for more than their original purchase price and replace with loans or short deals until the summer. If a permanent deal from the lower leagues becomes viable then they will do that. I have no doubt that Allen, NDiaye, Etebo and Woods will be elsewhere in February, with a young player from the lower leagues in permanently, a young player on loan from a big club and possibly an experienced head in on a short term deal. You have no doubt? That seems unlikely. I could see us perhaps losing Allen, if we had to, but to lose 4 of the 6 cm’s we have in one window seems very unlikely.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 4, 2020 13:20:26 GMT
I can’t say I’ve ever been totally convinced by Joe Allen as a player. That said I think we’ll miss him if he goes.
But one thing that does strike me is he’s a very modest, down to earth and focused bloke. He’s never gone into hiding. He’s dealt with criticism by keeping his head down and trying his best at all times. I can’t recollect him whining in the media once and, in fact, I can hardly remember him doing any substantial interview.
I hope he doesn’t go because I think MON may well be able to unlock his potential but if he does I’d wish him well and thank him for his efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 13:28:28 GMT
The way I think the club will go with this is sell any player they can get big money for, loan players who won't attract offers for more than their original purchase price and replace with loans or short deals until the summer. If a permanent deal from the lower leagues becomes viable then they will do that. I have no doubt that Allen, NDiaye, Etebo and Woods will be elsewhere in February, with a young player from the lower leagues in permanently, a young player on loan from a big club and possibly an experienced head in on a short term deal. You have no doubt? That seems unlikely. I could see us perhaps losing Allen, if we had to, but to lose 4 of the 6 cm’s we have in one window seems very unlikely. The two African lads have all been confirmed, so that's two of my four. Allen is a shoo-in to go as Moyes has a boner for him. That just leaves Woods and given the manager has moaned like a drain about the lack of physicality in the midfield, I don't think it's that far fetched to see him go.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 4, 2020 13:29:45 GMT
I can’t say I’ve ever been totally convinced by Joe Allen as a player. That said I think we’ll miss him if he goes. But one thing that does strike me is he’s a very modest, down to earth and focused bloke. He’s never gone into hiding. He’s dealt with criticism by keeping his head down and trying his best at all times. I can’t recollect him whining in the media once and, in fact, I can hardly remember him doing any substantial interview. I hope he doesn’t go because I think MON may well be able to unlock his potential but if he does I’d wish him well and thank him for his efforts. Eh? The club wheel him out to do a “sorry we’re shit” interview every few months. The last one came just a couple of weeks or so before the ear cupping where he said he couldn’t understand how hard it must be for supporters to have endured the last 3 years. He then proceeded to demonstrate that lack of understanding.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 4, 2020 13:46:41 GMT
I can’t say I’ve ever been totally convinced by Joe Allen as a player. That said I think we’ll miss him if he goes. But one thing that does strike me is he’s a very modest, down to earth and focused bloke. He’s never gone into hiding. He’s dealt with criticism by keeping his head down and trying his best at all times. I can’t recollect him whining in the media once and, in fact, I can hardly remember him doing any substantial interview. I hope he doesn’t go because I think MON may well be able to unlock his potential but if he does I’d wish him well and thank him for his efforts. Eh? The club wheel him out to do a “sorry we’re shit” interview every few months. The last one came just a couple of weeks or so before the ear cupping where he said he couldn’t understand how hard it must be for supporters to have endured the last 3 years. He then proceeded to demonstrate that lack of understanding. Missed that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 13:59:51 GMT
If we do lose Allen (hope not), we should go balls-out for Drinkwater on loan. Burnley have just sent him back to Chelsea
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 4, 2020 17:10:59 GMT
I’ll drive him there if we get 15mil for him. Let him go cup his ears there You could drop butter fingers Butland off at Villa on the way Yeh good idea. I’ll drop him off even if we get a quid 😀
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Post by lordb on Jan 4, 2020 17:12:40 GMT
If we do lose Allen (hope not), we should go balls-out for Drinkwater on loan. Burnley have just sent him back to Chelsea That's because he was shocking Plus off the field issues Avoid
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 4, 2020 21:12:23 GMT
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 5, 2020 0:17:31 GMT
Another clueless manager who can’t recognise a headless chicken
MON
After stating his intention to streamline the squad this month, O’Neill was asked whether Allen was one he was open to selling, but he replied: “No.
“I wouldn’t be surprised that he is linked with Premier League clubs because he’s a top player but I don’t want him to leave the club.
“He was left out today to give him a rest because he has played every minute since I’ve come in. But his sale wouldn’t be one I’d be wanting to see happen."
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 5, 2020 0:27:16 GMT
Another clueless manager who can’t recognise a headless chicken MON After stating his intention to streamline the squad this month, O’Neill was asked whether Allen was one he was open to selling, but he replied: “No. “I wouldn’t be surprised that he is linked with Premier League clubs because he’s a top player but I don’t want him to leave the club. “He was left out today to give him a rest because he has played every minute since I’ve come in. But his sale wouldn’t be one I’d be wanting to see happen." So you think it'd be smart to say "Yes, we're desperate to sell and will be looking at all offers, and if we do end up keeping him, I'll be devastated"??? How you can use an almost perfect answer to claim he is clueless is beyond belief. He has turned the clubs performances around. We are scoring goals and getting wins on the board. Today he clearly used a team that could be classified as the "B" team in a fixture that's not the end of the world if we lose in order to get a good look at them. Some will be featuring more as we go along and some are going to be rightly dropped. All round good management in a bad situation if you ask me. But hey, what do I know, after all, some fan has declared MON's useless
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Post by hotpot on Jan 5, 2020 1:01:36 GMT
Its a payday that Joe deserves and he would be crazy not to go .... not less than 15m though ... we'll just have to live with it and adapt. Good luck, fella. And muchos gracias ..
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Post by pushon on Jan 5, 2020 1:09:43 GMT
Another clueless manager who can’t recognise a headless chicken MON After stating his intention to streamline the squad this month, O’Neill was asked whether Allen was one he was open to selling, but he replied: “No. “I wouldn’t be surprised that he is linked with Premier League clubs because he’s a top player but I don’t want him to leave the club. “He was left out today to give him a rest because he has played every minute since I’ve come in. But his sale wouldn’t be one I’d be wanting to see happen." I wonder if it's the Manager, or the respondent, who is clueless?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 5, 2020 1:19:31 GMT
Its a payday that Joe deserves and he would be crazy not to go .... not less than 15m though ... we'll just have to live with it and adapt. Good luck, fella. And muchos gracias .. The love this ear cupping useless git has. It’s so odd. He’s done absolutely nothing for this club bar make it a whole loss worse.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 5, 2020 10:34:52 GMT
Another clueless manager who can’t recognise a headless chicken MON After stating his intention to streamline the squad this month, O’Neill was asked whether Allen was one he was open to selling, but he replied: “No. “I wouldn’t be surprised that he is linked with Premier League clubs because he’s a top player but I don’t want him to leave the club. “He was left out today to give him a rest because he has played every minute since I’ve come in. But his sale wouldn’t be one I’d be wanting to see happen." So you think it'd be smart to say "Yes, we're desperate to sell and will be looking at all offers, and if we do end up keeping him, I'll be devastated"??? How you can use an almost perfect answer to claim he is clueless is beyond belief. He has turned the clubs performances around. We are scoring goals and getting wins on the board. Today he clearly used a team that could be classified as the "B" team in a fixture that's not the end of the world if we lose in order to get a good look at them. Some will be featuring more as we go along and some are going to be rightly dropped. All round good management in a bad situation if you ask me. But hey, what do I know, after all, some fan has declared MON's useless I think you picked the sentiment of the post up wrongly. It was a dig at those that; Continually use the term “headless chicken” to criticise one of, if not the best outfield player at the club, one who’s consistency and leadership has been seen every manager since his signature put him on the team sheet week in, week out. Have been overly critical of MON and can’t wait for any opportunity to criticise.
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Post by lstokie on Jan 5, 2020 10:36:54 GMT
So you think it'd be smart to say "Yes, we're desperate to sell and will be looking at all offers, and if we do end up keeping him, I'll be devastated"??? How you can use an almost perfect answer to claim he is clueless is beyond belief. He has turned the clubs performances around. We are scoring goals and getting wins on the board. Today he clearly used a team that could be classified as the "B" team in a fixture that's not the end of the world if we lose in order to get a good look at them. Some will be featuring more as we go along and some are going to be rightly dropped. All round good management in a bad situation if you ask me. But hey, what do I know, after all, some fan has declared MON's useless I think you picked the sentiment of the post up wrongly. It was a dig at those that; Continually use the term “headless chicken” to criticise one of, if not the best outfield player at the club, one who’s consistency and leadership has been seen every manager since his signature put him on the team sheet week in, week out. Have been overly critical of MON and can’t wait for any opportunity to criticise. The sarcasm doesn't come across in the slightest
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2020 10:40:39 GMT
So you think it'd be smart to say "Yes, we're desperate to sell and will be looking at all offers, and if we do end up keeping him, I'll be devastated"??? How you can use an almost perfect answer to claim he is clueless is beyond belief. He has turned the clubs performances around. We are scoring goals and getting wins on the board. Today he clearly used a team that could be classified as the "B" team in a fixture that's not the end of the world if we lose in order to get a good look at them. Some will be featuring more as we go along and some are going to be rightly dropped. All round good management in a bad situation if you ask me. But hey, what do I know, after all, some fan has declared MON's useless I think you picked the sentiment of the post up wrongly. It was a dig at those that; Continually use the term “headless chicken” to criticise one of, if not the best outfield player at the club, one who’s consistency and leadership has been seen every manager since his signature put him on the team sheet week in, week out. Have been overly critical of MON and can’t wait for any opportunity to criticise. Is it really not possible to look at this with any degree of nuance? Can you maybe think that Allen has his uses and with the right players around him can do a good job, but also suggest his lack of positional discipline has been a big problem for the team in recent years? Of course MON doesn’t want to sell him, we’ve got rid of our two best midfielders already this window and we’d be looking at a midfield of Woods, Clucas and Cousins for the rest of the season or expecting a new signing to come in and hold the midfield together, which given the manager hasn’t had to enter the transfer market since his League of Ireland days, Chapple’s last few market excursions can kindly be referred to as ‘ a mixed bag’, FFP ties one arm behind our back and having Scholes as CEO ties the other, is really a pretty big ask isn’t it?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 5, 2020 10:40:45 GMT
Another clueless manager who can’t recognise a headless chicken MON After stating his intention to streamline the squad this month, O’Neill was asked whether Allen was one he was open to selling, but he replied: “No. “I wouldn’t be surprised that he is linked with Premier League clubs because he’s a top player but I don’t want him to leave the club. “He was left out today to give him a rest because he has played every minute since I’ve come in. But his sale wouldn’t be one I’d be wanting to see happen." I wonder if it's the Manager, or the respondent, who is clueless? Please read between the lines and “think” was the post being aimed at those that continually deride JA and have a pop at MON at every opportunity.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 5, 2020 10:45:17 GMT
I think you picked the sentiment of the post up wrongly. It was a dig at those that; Continually use the term “headless chicken” to criticise one of, if not the best outfield player at the club, one who’s consistency and leadership has been seen every manager since his signature put him on the team sheet week in, week out. Have been overly critical of MON and can’t wait for any opportunity to criticise. The sarcasm doesn't come across in the slightest I apologise for your lack of understanding. I’ll finish similar posts with the word “sarcasm” to alleviate further misunderstanding If your were to check any previous post about JA you will see that I’ve been consistently supportive of him as a player and performances for the club since his arrival
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 5, 2020 11:06:51 GMT
Well we missed him and Clucas yesterday that’s for sure
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Post by pushon on Jan 5, 2020 11:11:38 GMT
I wonder if it's the Manager, or the respondent, who is clueless? Please read between the lines and “think” was the post being aimed at those that continually deride JA and have a pop at MON at every opportunity. Ok, apologies then.Early hours of the morning not the best time for analytical reading.
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Post by harlequin on Jan 5, 2020 11:51:57 GMT
I think we should keep him around the club, I suspect he'd make a good coach/manager in the Hughton mould eventually.
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Post by lstokie on Jan 5, 2020 12:36:40 GMT
The sarcasm doesn't come across in the slightest I apologise for your lack of understanding. I’ll finish similar posts with the word “sarcasm” to alleviate further misunderstanding If your were to check any previous post about JA you will see that I’ve been consistently supportive of him as a player and performances for the club since his arrival Ok mate
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