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Post by followyoudown on Feb 25, 2020 17:52:36 GMT
The member who asked it has form, pretending the criticism in this instance is of israel is as believable as all those far right types whose sudden interest in animal welfare means they are against halal meat. I dont think the goalposts have been moved no one has denied that they are people who are paid to lobby for israel, just like there are for many other countries its the idea that they have any interest or sought to influence the election of the labour party that veers it off into racist loony toon town. Whether he has form or not is irrelevant to the specific clip that I commented on. That's all I was commenting on at the time. So if you agree that the there is an Israel Lobby, I have no idea why you would deem that antisemitic? And if they have no interest why do the likes of Sir Trevor Chinn (BICOM board member), Poju Zabludowicz (BICOM board member) bankroll politicians such as Ruth Smeeth, Tom Watson and John Mann (all on the public record), I'm pretty sure it's not because they're desperate for a socialist government. I'm sure your average voter in Stoke-on-Trent, West Bromwich and Bassetlaw was really interested in their elected representatives flying off to Israel and the USA to hold the Israeli flag under the banner of the "Labour Friends of Israel" when they were struggling to make ends meet back home. You can accuse me or other people of being in "racist loony toon town", but lobbying exists, it's a murky business and to highlight it isn't antisemitic in any way, shape or form. As I’ve said on here before, change the country in question from Israel to Russia and imagine a scenario where politicians formed a group called the “Labour/Conservative friends of Russia” then flew off to Moscow to champion trade deals whilst holding the Russian flag up. Then seeing them get caught on camera brokering dodgy deals with members of the Russian Embassy. Whilst getting regular monthly 5 figure donations to a particular politician. What would the reaction be? That you compare Russia to Israel is interesting regardless of international action elsewhere one of these countries is considered an ally the other not so much. Many countries do lobbying, many people make donations following your logic Corbyn is in the pay of hamas as he has taken trips from them, people make donations to mps who broadly support their views, they don't buy them or bankroll them all the comments you make you only ever hear about LFI never Labour Friends of Palestine and all the various other groups.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 27, 2020 17:22:45 GMT
Please win Richard, please!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 27, 2020 17:59:02 GMT
From my incidental listening to the Labour leadership campaigns the message I seem to be getting is:
1 Transphobia is bad and we are on the side of those who want to choose their own identity ( which is a different thing, but seems to have got conflated) so anyone can use any toilet they like.
2 We acknowledge that we have a problem with anti semitism but anti Zionism is very important.
3 We lost the last election but actually our policies were correct, the people just voted the wrong way.
4 We were correct on Brexit but don't know what to do about that.
5 We are a divided party...Momentum/ old school
6 We can't really think of any policies that resonate with the electorate.
9 Diane has left the front bench
It seems to me if they discussed some ambitious targets/ commitments that people in the UK could connect with they would be more credible. Like: Eradicate rough sleeping in the lifetime of the government. Seriously Tackle street crime/ stabbings/shootings. Abolish the House of Lords. Accept and take advantage of Brexit. An inner city/ cultural strategy to encourage cultural harmony/ dialogue Something bold on social care Some REAL training job creation for the young Some real support for industry, post Brexit. Something more realistic for pensions
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 27, 2020 20:46:16 GMT
Watching the 3 of them perform at the minute on Sky News I’d say it’ll be a long time before Labour are elected again. Lisa Nandy the only one who speaks with any modicum of sense
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 27, 2020 22:16:17 GMT
Watching the 3 of them perform at the minute on Sky News I’d say it’ll be a long time before Labour are elected again. Lisa Nandy the only one who speaks with any modicum of sense Which is why she has no fucking chance, the Labrador Party and sense have no common ground hence they have no connect with they common man, the woke party or should that be the wank party.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 28, 2020 7:26:07 GMT
Want.
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Post by felonious on Feb 28, 2020 7:32:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 15:42:16 GMT
Interesting debate last night on Sky.
Think it's turned me in favour of Nandy, although I do still have the odd concern about her.
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Post by Davef on Feb 28, 2020 15:51:33 GMT
Rebecca handing in her resignation video.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 28, 2020 16:06:49 GMT
Rebecca handing in her resignation video. “When I’m leader of the party” I have not heard many things more arrogant from any politician ever
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Post by felonious on Feb 28, 2020 17:14:52 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 28, 2020 20:01:36 GMT
Corbyns legacy will be the ehrc report and the cesspit he leaves behind.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 28, 2020 20:05:24 GMT
Interesting debate last night on Sky. Think it's turned me in favour of Nandy, although I do still have the odd concern about her. Not left wing enough ?
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Post by starkiller on Feb 28, 2020 21:43:44 GMT
Interesting debate last night on Sky. Think it's turned me in favour of Nandy, although I do still have the odd concern about her. Do you think the British public would vote for her as Prime Minister? That is the only question that ever needs asking. My answer would be 'no'.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 28, 2020 23:05:26 GMT
Interesting debate last night on Sky. Think it's turned me in favour of Nandy, although I do still have the odd concern about her. Shes the best politician of the three, sadly with the worst positions.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 29, 2020 9:57:08 GMT
Interesting debate last night on Sky. Think it's turned me in favour of Nandy, although I do still have the odd concern about her. Shes the best politician of the three, sadly with the worst positions. I would probably agree the only thing Starmer stands for is election, Wrong Daily just wants to do whatever Jeremy would have done, Nandy despite her duplicitious stance on brexit (I could vote for a brexit deal but just never the one she had a chance to vote on) seems the most normal but even then has questions on her history. Its Jess me me me I feel sorry for noone gets to hear about how great she is since she stopped writing articles or giving soundbites about herself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 14:54:31 GMT
Interesting debate last night on Sky. Think it's turned me in favour of Nandy, although I do still have the odd concern about her. Do you think the British public would vote for her as Prime Minister? That is the only question that ever needs asking. My answer would be 'no'. If they'd vote in Boris Johnson I'm really not sure how you could say there is anyone who would never be voted in as PM. She seems the most relatable, not linked too closely to Corbyn and not as wet-wipe as Starmer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 14:55:42 GMT
Interesting debate last night on Sky. Think it's turned me in favour of Nandy, although I do still have the odd concern about her. Not left wing enough ? More the cultural side of it really, not sure her positions are clear enough. But RLB would ruin the party's chances of being elected and Kier has a very 'Ed Miliband' personality to put it nicely.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 29, 2020 15:48:12 GMT
Do you think the British public would vote for her as Prime Minister? That is the only question that ever needs asking. My answer would be 'no'. If they'd vote in Boris Johnson I'm really not sure how you could say there is anyone who would never be voted in as PM. She seems the most relatable, not linked too closely to Corbyn and not as wet-wipe as Starmer. Not linked to closely? She is Corbyn with tits only 40 years younger
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 1, 2020 9:55:21 GMT
So either Keir's a bully or Corbyn supporters are lying. Which is it?
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Post by felonious on Mar 1, 2020 10:25:45 GMT
So either Keir's a bully or Corbyn supporters are lying. Which is it? Well that's rich as he's the man pursuing Priti Patel over bullying claims. Perhaps it this that has prompted people in Labour to come forward.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 1, 2020 10:31:03 GMT
So either Keir's a bully or Corbyn supporters are lying. Which is it? Well that's rich as he's the man pursuing Priti Patel over bullying claims. Perhaps it this that has prompted people in Labour to come forward. I think its the polls showing Wrong Daily being so far behind prompting them to come forward and the cranks realising they will soon lose control of the party.
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Post by felonious on Mar 1, 2020 10:43:34 GMT
Well that's rich as he's the man pursuing Priti Patel over bullying claims. Perhaps it this that has prompted people in Labour to come forward. I think its the polls showing Wrong Daily being so far behind prompting them to come forward and the cranks realising they will soon lose control of the party. She was on 5Live earlier the BBC giving her the easiest grilling I've ever heard a politician have on there for years. Spouting the same claptrap that lost them the last election and it sounded like absolutely no change on Brexit.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 1, 2020 11:55:07 GMT
If they'd vote in Boris Johnson I'm really not sure how you could say there is anyone who would never be voted in as PM. She seems the most relatable, not linked too closely to Corbyn and not as wet-wipe as Starmer. Not linked to closely? She is Corbyn with tits only 40 years younger FFS she's practically his annointed successor. Whoever gets the job the Labour party is fucked. They're that used to thwcweaming and thwcweaming that whoever loses will stomp off with their ball and split the party. They all consider their way to be the only right way, it's their inability to compromise that'll kill them.
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Post by zerps on Mar 1, 2020 13:34:40 GMT
You can see why they’re definitely going to win next time, already..
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 1, 2020 13:46:46 GMT
I think this will be a big vote winner. When I went a wander around the streets of Blurton this morning pretty much everyone was chatting about Palestine, and the only ones who weren't were too caught up in the plight of people in Colombian villages. If Labour really hammer stuff like this to the front & centre in the coming years they'll be a shoe-in at the next election.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 1, 2020 14:14:39 GMT
I think this will be a big vote winner. When I went a wander around the streets of Blurton this morning pretty much everyone was chatting about Palestine, and the only ones who weren't were too caught up in the plight of people in Colombian villages. If Labour really hammer stuff like this to the front & centre in the coming years they'll be a shoe-in at the next election. Was that the interview on Marr where Burgon says "we can't go back to the future"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 21:41:55 GMT
I think this will be a big vote winner. When I went a wander around the streets of Blurton this morning pretty much everyone was chatting about Palestine, and the only ones who weren't were too caught up in the plight of people in Colombian villages. If Labour really hammer stuff like this to the front & centre in the coming years they'll be a shoe-in at the next election. He must surely be a Tory plant, the man is something else. Praying for anyone but him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 9:58:01 GMT
Mocking Burgon may be great fun, but when you've got a cabinet made up of Matt Hancock, Priti Patel, Liz Truss, Dominic Raab, Gavin Williamson and Suella Braverman I think we've got more pressing concerns. If brains were made of dynamite that lot couldn't blow the lid of a jar of pickled onions......
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2020 10:02:37 GMT
Mocking Burgon may be great fun, but when you've got a cabinet made up of Matt Hancock, Priti Patel, Liz Truss, Dominic Raab, Gavin Williamson and Suella Braverman I think we've got more pressing concerns. If brains were made of dynamite that lot couldn't blow the lid of a jar of pickled onions...... But unlike the opposition front bench they can at least find the jar
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