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Post by salopstick on Jan 8, 2020 22:09:15 GMT
I'm not a Labour supporter, but I believe in a democracy, and in a democracy you need a strong opposition leader to hold the government to account. In my opinion, it's between Starmer and Long-Bailey. If Starmer wins, the Labour party can rebuild from the toxic Corbynism and push on. If Long-Bailey wins, then that would confirm that the loony left/Momentum are firmly in control of the party, and they will continue to slide into irrelevance. As an aside note - is it just me, or is there something about Starmer (his looks, the way he carries himself, I can't quite put my finger on it) that seems like a prime minister in waiting, if not next time then at some point in the future? You believe in democracy. If she got in that would be democracy..... He doesn’t disagree It would still mean momentum run the show
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 9, 2020 11:00:09 GMT
I wonder if this is true? Big difference if it is. All the more moderate candidates who have declared recently and encouraged members to join and vote for them will be a little upset. Labour leadershipThe contest for the new Labour leader will formally begin on Tuesday with the winner announced on 4 April, the party's ruling body has decided. Those who join the party or become affiliated supporters before 20 January will be eligible to vote. Registered supporters - who are not full party members - will have 48 hours from 14-16 January to secure a vote by paying £25. Labour: "Introducing (free) voter ID is discriminatory against the poor and minorities" Same Labour: It'll cost you £25 to vote for your next Leader.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 9, 2020 19:56:15 GMT
Looks like Thornberry won’t make the ballot
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:57:25 GMT
Looks like Thornberry won’t make the ballot Thank fuck for that.....
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 10, 2020 14:43:22 GMT
Looks like Thornberry won’t make the ballot Not looking good either for Clive Lewis - even before he formally launched his leadership bid today... Labour leadership: Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendumNow, I don’t give two fucks for what goes on with the Windsors, but I do know it ain’t the most pressing issue we face just now.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 10, 2020 15:44:41 GMT
Looks like Thornberry won’t make the ballot Not looking good either for Clive Lewis - even before he formally launched his leadership bid today... Labour leadership: Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendumNow, I don’t give two fucks for what goes on with the Windsors, but I do know it ain’t the most pressing issue we face just now. He’s trying to be topical and failing
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 10, 2020 19:34:09 GMT
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Post by rivival on Jan 11, 2020 2:40:30 GMT
Labour is now dead in the water and the space is there for a new party to emerge.
When you lose your grass roots it's time you left it to someone else. A party in denial, blaming the media for failed leadership and poor policies will not get back the working class vote.
Only a radical change can save them from a Liberal type decline. That radical change has to be preceded with a hard look at the truth and how they became detached from generations of staunch supporters.
I can't see a fitting leadership candidate to bring the part back to a place where I would vote for them. They betrayed me and the things I voted for and believed in, preferring to believe that I wasn't capable of understanding a referendum and it's true implications. Just how patronising could they have been.
Did I become a tory? are you joking , did hell freeze over? but when they had policies that I supported and Labour had none you have to ask wtf happened?
So on we go into a Tory decade with no real opposition. God help us all, but thanks for small mercies and the rejection of comrade Corbyn.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 12, 2020 20:32:12 GMT
Labour is now dead in the water and the space is there for a new party to emerge. When you lose your grass roots it's time you left it to someone else. A party in denial, blaming the media for failed leadership and poor policies will not get back the working class vote. Only a radical change can save them from a Liberal type decline. That radical change has to be preceded with a hard look at the truth and how they became detached from generations of staunch supporters. I can't see a fitting leadership candidate to bring the part back to a place where I would vote for them. They betrayed me and the things I voted for and believed in, preferring to believe that I wasn't capable of understanding a referendum and it's true implications. Just how patronising could they have been. Did I become a tory? are you joking , did hell freeze over? but when they had policies that I supported and Labour had none you have to ask wtf happened? So on we go into a Tory decade with no real opposition. God help us all, but thanks for small mercies and the rejection of comrade Corbyn. Clive Lewis Labour Party leader contender claims Brexit campaign 'had racism at its heart' will these left wing loons ever learn, there is a total disconnect between the Labour party and it's grass root support, can't wait until the marxist racist Abbott throws her hat into the ring, what an abortion of a party they have become.
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Post by lordb on Jan 12, 2020 21:11:17 GMT
Labour is now dead in the water and the space is there for a new party to emerge. When you lose your grass roots it's time you left it to someone else. A party in denial, blaming the media for failed leadership and poor policies will not get back the working class vote. Only a radical change can save them from a Liberal type decline. That radical change has to be preceded with a hard look at the truth and how they became detached from generations of staunch supporters. I can't see a fitting leadership candidate to bring the part back to a place where I would vote for them. They betrayed me and the things I voted for and believed in, preferring to believe that I wasn't capable of understanding a referendum and it's true implications. Just how patronising could they have been. Did I become a tory? are you joking , did hell freeze over? but when they had policies that I supported and Labour had none you have to ask wtf happened? So on we go into a Tory decade with no real opposition. God help us all, but thanks for small mercies and the rejection of comrade Corbyn. If Labour dies decline further, what then happens to the Tories? Eventually they split too. Still no doubt they will be inbrouiled in scandal and eventually they will stink of corruption so much that Labour gets back in. Probably the election after next.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 21:16:48 GMT
Labour is now dead in the water and the space is there for a new party to emerge. When you lose your grass roots it's time you left it to someone else. A party in denial, blaming the media for failed leadership and poor policies will not get back the working class vote. Only a radical change can save them from a Liberal type decline. That radical change has to be preceded with a hard look at the truth and how they became detached from generations of staunch supporters. I can't see a fitting leadership candidate to bring the part back to a place where I would vote for them. They betrayed me and the things I voted for and believed in, preferring to believe that I wasn't capable of understanding a referendum and it's true implications. Just how patronising could they have been. Did I become a tory? are you joking , did hell freeze over? but when they had policies that I supported and Labour had none you have to ask wtf happened? So on we go into a Tory decade with no real opposition. God help us all, but thanks for small mercies and the rejection of comrade Corbyn. Clive Lewis Labour Party leader contender claims Brexit campaign 'had racism at its heart' will these left wing loons ever learn, there is a total disconnect between the Labour party and it's grass root support, can't wait until the marxist racist Abbott throws her hat into the ring, what an abortion of a party they have become. It doesn't look like Lewis (or possibly Thornberry) have enough nominations for them to make the actual leadership ballot. I read somewhere that the qualifying cut-off is tomorrow afternoon.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 12, 2020 21:24:20 GMT
Labour is now dead in the water and the space is there for a new party to emerge. When you lose your grass roots it's time you left it to someone else. A party in denial, blaming the media for failed leadership and poor policies will not get back the working class vote. Only a radical change can save them from a Liberal type decline. That radical change has to be preceded with a hard look at the truth and how they became detached from generations of staunch supporters. I can't see a fitting leadership candidate to bring the part back to a place where I would vote for them. They betrayed me and the things I voted for and believed in, preferring to believe that I wasn't capable of understanding a referendum and it's true implications. Just how patronising could they have been. Did I become a tory? are you joking , did hell freeze over? but when they had policies that I supported and Labour had none you have to ask wtf happened? So on we go into a Tory decade with no real opposition. God help us all, but thanks for small mercies and the rejection of comrade Corbyn. If Labour dies decline further, what then happens to the Tories? Eventually they split too. Still no doubt they will be inbrouiled in scandal and eventually they will stink of corruption so much that Labour gets back in. Probably the election after next. The problem Labour has apart from institutional racism is they have no credible centre ground, mongmentum has taken a Marxist grip on the party aided by the union bosses, the unions hold the purse strings they have the party by the bollocks until they can break free from union funding they will be fcuked.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 12, 2020 21:30:36 GMT
Clive Lewis Labour Party leader contender claims Brexit campaign 'had racism at its heart' will these left wing loons ever learn, there is a total disconnect between the Labour party and it's grass root support, can't wait until the marxist racist Abbott throws her hat into the ring, what an abortion of a party they have become. It doesn't look like Lewis (or possibly Thornberry) have enough nominations for them to make the actual leadership ballot. I read somewhere that the qualifying cut-off is tomorrow afternoon. Is looney Lammy in the running ? he sums the Labour Party up to a tee.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 21:39:39 GMT
It doesn't look like Lewis (or possibly Thornberry) have enough nominations for them to make the actual leadership ballot. I read somewhere that the qualifying cut-off is tomorrow afternoon. Is looney Lammy in the running ? he sums the Labour Party up to a tee. I think it's Starmer, Jess Phillips, Wrong Daily, Nandy, Lewis, and Thornberry.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 12, 2020 22:03:34 GMT
Is looney Lammy in the running ? he sums the Labour Party up to a tee. I think it's Starmer, Jess Phillips, Wrong Daily, Nandy, Lewis, and Thornberry. Thornberry is married to Sir Christopher George Nugee and as such is entitled to use the title Lady Nugee. Wonder why she doesn't?
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 12, 2020 22:20:23 GMT
I think it's Starmer, Jess Phillips, Wrong Daily, Nandy, Lewis, and Thornberry. Thornberry is married to Sir Christopher George Nugee and as such is entitled to use the title Lady Nugee. Wonder why she doesn't? I would lay a bet her hubby doesn't drive a white van champagne socialist snob.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 12, 2020 22:29:55 GMT
Thornberry is married to Sir Christopher George Nugee and as such is entitled to use the title Lady Nugee. Wonder why she doesn't? I would lay a bet her hubby doesn't drive a white van champagne socialist snob. Seems to be working OK for Sir Keir. (Edit: the title, not the white van)
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 12, 2020 23:12:01 GMT
It doesn't look like Lewis (or possibly Thornberry) have enough nominations for them to make the actual leadership ballot. I read somewhere that the qualifying cut-off is tomorrow afternoon. Is looney Lammy in the running ? he sums the Labour Party up to a tee. Another black MP with absolutely no influence or relevance in Stoke that you don't like...
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2020 7:23:58 GMT
If Labour dies decline further, what then happens to the Tories? Eventually they split too. Still no doubt they will be inbrouiled in scandal and eventually they will stink of corruption so much that Labour gets back in. Probably the election after next. The problem Labour has apart from institutional racism is they have no credible centre ground, mongmentum has taken a Marxist grip on the party aided by the union bosses, the unions hold the purse strings they have the party by the bollocks until they can break free from union funding they will be fcuked. That's so 2019
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 13, 2020 7:53:24 GMT
Is looney Lammy in the running ? he sums the Labour Party up to a tee. Another black MP with absolutely no influence or relevance in Stoke that you don't like... No its probably has something to do with the fact that lammy is a dangerous racist biggoted idiot And if you can't see that I feel sorry for you
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 13, 2020 9:35:18 GMT
Looks like middle man Starmer it is then. Whooppee He will please the masses and change nothing,another millionaire.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2020 9:52:13 GMT
Looks like middle man Starmer it is then. Whooppee He will please the masses and change nothing,another millionaire. The public have given the current hard left incarnation of the Labour Party a resounding 'no'. Which part of this is not computing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 9:55:50 GMT
Looks like middle man Starmer it is then. Whooppee He will please the masses and change nothing,another millionaire. The public have given the current hard left incarnation of the Labour Party a resounding 'no'. Which part of this is not computing? They gave the “Centrist” Brown and “Soft left” Miliband led Labour Party an even more resounding no. What part of that is not computing?
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 13, 2020 10:16:31 GMT
The public have given the current hard left incarnation of the Labour Party a resounding 'no'. Which part of this is not computing? They gave the “Centrist” Brown and “Soft left” Miliband led Labour Party and even more resounding no. What part of that is not computing? Frankly this just shows just how much "personality" matters to voters and must truly rile some people that despite his many faults, people both like and "get" Boris Johnson. The same applies with Donald Trump vs Hilary Clinton as well as being big reasons for the failure of Brown and (the wrong) Miliband. Corbyn only did reasonably well against May because May got found out for lacking any kind of charisma.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 13, 2020 10:17:04 GMT
Looks like middle man Starmer it is then. Whooppee He will please the masses and change nothing,another millionaire. The public have given the current hard left incarnation of the Labour Party a resounding 'no'. Which part of this is not computing? Where in the rule of life book does it say I have to agree with "the public"? Go fish elsewhere.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 13, 2020 10:21:05 GMT
Looks like middle man Starmer it is then. Whooppee He will please the masses and change nothing,another millionaire. A Blair light smarmy lawyer in a safe London seat Should go down well up north I hope he gets it as I'm going to be interested to know the answers when he's questiond how thousands of innocent under age girls we're raped by Muslim gangs with impunity whilst he was DPP
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 13, 2020 10:40:30 GMT
Looks like middle man Starmer it is then. Whooppee He will please the masses and change nothing,another millionaire. A Blair light smarmy lawyer in a safe London seat Should go down well up north I hope he gets it as I'm going to be interested to know the answers when he's questiond how thousands of innocent under age girls we're raped by Muslim gangs with impunity whilst he was DPP "Should go down well up north" Johnson didnt do to badly.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2020 11:36:21 GMT
The public have given the current hard left incarnation of the Labour Party a resounding 'no'. Which part of this is not computing? Where in the rule of life book does it say I have to agree with "the public"? Go fish elsewhere. Considering your rule book is metaphorical, nowhere. I'm dealing in the currency of election results and the 'red wall' collapsed quicker than a Jenga game being played by two Parkinson's sufferers 😊
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2020 11:52:03 GMT
Another black MP with absolutely no influence or relevance in Stoke that you don't like... No its probably has something to do with the fact that lammy is a dangerous racist biggoted idiot And if you can't see that I feel sorry for you Like Abbott ! you are correct a dangerous racist bigot, though the loopy left will deflect from this by calling people racist just because the pair of them happen to be black, it's frankly laughable that they can not admit to the truth, not that the truth figures highly on the list for the loon with multiple accounts
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2020 12:29:45 GMT
The public have given the current hard left incarnation of the Labour Party a resounding 'no'. Which part of this is not computing? They gave the “Centrist” Brown and “Soft left” Miliband led Labour Party an even more resounding no. What part of that is not computing? So the majority of British people don't trust a Labour government, moderate or otherwise. Thanks for confirming, smart-arse 😊
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