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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 6, 2020 14:49:58 GMT
Murdoch owns; The Sun, The Times, The Sunday Times and the Times Literary Supplement. He doesn't own ITV, BBC, Sky or Channel 4. Which "spate of interviews" did he influence?? Just to clarify the "Murdoch press" doesn't refer to Rupert himself authorising every interview, doing every interview and proof reading the final draft but then I think you know that. The interviews I'm referring to were in The Times, The Sunday Times (and possibly the supplement I'd have to check). I know you think that our press is free and fair and exerts no influence and does a fantastic job of self regulating roger, I'm a bit more cynical it seems...... So unless you read her single interview in The Times 3 days ago you wouldn't have been 'influenced' by Murdoch. How many Labour members who are going to vote in the upcoming Leadership contest read The Times do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 14:59:25 GMT
Just to clarify the "Murdoch press" doesn't refer to Rupert himself authorising every interview, doing every interview and proof reading the final draft but then I think you know that. The interviews I'm referring to were in The Times, The Sunday Times (and possibly the supplement I'd have to check). I know you think that our press is free and fair and exerts no influence and does a fantastic job of self regulating roger, I'm a bit more cynical it seems...... So unless you read her single interview in The Times 3 days ago you wouldn't have been 'influenced' by Murdoch. How many Labour members who are going to vote in the upcoming Leadership contest read The Times do you think? And September and December. I don’t really care about Labour members about to vote, I was merely giving my opinion......
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 6, 2020 16:11:49 GMT
I wonder if this is true? Big difference if it is. All the more moderate candidates who have declared recently and encouraged members to join and vote for them will be a little upset. Labour leadershipThe contest for the new Labour leader will formally begin on Tuesday with the winner announced on 4 April, the party's ruling body has decided. Those who join the party or become affiliated supporters before 20 January will be eligible to vote. Registered supporters - who are not full party members - will have 48 hours from 14-16 January to secure a vote by paying £25.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 6, 2020 16:53:38 GMT
I wonder if this is true? Big difference if it is. All the more moderate candidates who have declared recently and encouraged members to join and vote for them will be a little upset. Labour leadershipThe contest for the new Labour leader will formally begin on Tuesday with the winner announced on 4 April, the party's ruling body has decided. Those who join the party or become affiliated supporters before 20 January will be eligible to vote. Registered supporters - who are not full party members - will have 48 hours from 14-16 January to secure a vote by paying £25. 3 days to late
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 6, 2020 18:27:24 GMT
Labour leadershipThe contest for the new Labour leader will formally begin on Tuesday with the winner announced on 4 April, the party's ruling body has decided. Those who join the party or become affiliated supporters before 20 January will be eligible to vote. Registered supporters - who are not full party members - will have 48 hours from 14-16 January to secure a vote by paying £25. 3 days to late It's on Grand National Day ... and with 5 furlongs to go in the Labour Leadership Handicap Chase it's odds on favourite, Poster Boy leading. The filly in the sheepskin eyebrows, Wrong Daily, is moving up on the rials. Phillips Screwdriver is trailing at the back, too many fags behind the stable block are taking their toll. And Emily's Girl has pulled up, but to be fair you can't put up 5 stones over weight and be in with a shout. Randy Nandy has gone too early. Hang on! There's a loose one going the wrong way around the track and is heading straight into the leading pack! I'm trying to see... I think...yes it's Abacus. There's bedlam here and the race has been stopped. We're hearing from the NEC stewards that the previous result stands and Corbynista retains the title.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 18:40:57 GMT
Never been a huge fan of Angela Rayner but her speech today for her deputy leader challenge was very good. Apparently an employee in the commons told her she was lost and should be on the set of Little Britain!
She has her issues but she is an exceptional role model. Fair play to her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 12:49:01 GMT
Not sure they'll be flocking in their thousands to vote for Phillips after this....
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Post by salopstick on Jan 7, 2020 13:10:19 GMT
Is anyone inspired by the candidates at all.
I don’t think any of them have the gravitas or charisma to put in place policy doctrine that will win them power
So far only Starmer looks statesmanlike
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 7, 2020 14:50:53 GMT
I've just taken some time out to acquaint myself with Rebecca Long Bailey as I've never heard her speak before. From what I've watched (mainly getting torn to pieces by Andrew Neil), she seems incapable of independent thought. I can't think why John Mcdonell is so keen for her to get the job.
So far the only potential candidate that I have any time for is Yvette Cooper, and she's smart enough to know she's got no chance of winning.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Jan 7, 2020 15:30:06 GMT
Is anyone inspired by the candidates at all. I don’t think any of them have the gravitas or charisma to put in place policy doctrine that will win them power So far only Starmer looks statesmanlike Starmer has emerged the strong favourite to win the leadership election. I would question if a diehard Remainer London MP would be the right choice given the GE result, which strongly endorsed brexit. No doubt he'll be praying Boris' brexit negotiations go tits up then push for another general election with an EU rejoin option. I don't think many people profoundly change their beliefs in a lifetime. I don't think the Labour party membership have accepted brexit. Whatever they say.
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Post by potterenfrance on Jan 7, 2020 16:22:01 GMT
Is anyone inspired by the candidates at all. I don’t think any of them have the gravitas or charisma to put in place policy doctrine that will win them power So far only Starmer looks statesmanlike Starmer has emerged the strong favourite to win the leadership election. I would question if a diehard Remainer London MP would be the right choice given the GE result, which strongly endorsed brexit. No doubt he'll be praying Boris' brexit negotiations go tits up then push for another general election with an EU rejoin option. I don't think many people profoundly change their beliefs in a lifetime.I don't think the Labour party membership have accepted brexit. Whatever they say. Boris does lol
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 7, 2020 16:32:10 GMT
Watched Jess Phillips this morning and thought she came across as very arrogant and up her own arse.. don't know her though tbf, just first impressions.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2020 17:40:24 GMT
God help the Labour Party if this stupid bitch gets it
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 7, 2020 19:07:21 GMT
Watched Jess Phillips this morning and thought she came across as very arrogant and up her own arse.. don't know her though tbf, just first impressions. Remoaner yet again will they ever learn
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 7, 2020 19:15:39 GMT
It's an national embarrassment that all 6 so far are total strokers and I would not entertain voting for any of them.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 7, 2020 19:19:16 GMT
God help the Labour Party if this stupid bitch gets it The attacks started on day 1 from his front bench
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 7, 2020 19:20:16 GMT
Nandy is the wild card. Starmer the 'safe' pair of hands and said comforting things about Labour's roots earlier. Long Bailey probably needs another spell in a senior shadow job, her time may will come. Lewis is an interesting fella but has no profile, would struggle to get arrested in his own house. Thornberry or Phillips would be a fucking disaster.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 7, 2020 19:21:04 GMT
It's an national embarrassment that all 6 so far are total strokers and I would not entertain voting for any of them. Says a bloke who voted for the cunt Johnson
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 7, 2020 22:17:11 GMT
God help the Labour Party if this stupid bitch gets it The attacks started on day 1 from his front bench This actually made me laugh out loud not the mirrors choice it would seem....
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 7, 2020 22:26:20 GMT
Nandy is the wild card. Starmer the 'safe' pair of hands and said comforting things about Labour's roots earlier. Long Bailey probably needs another spell in a senior shadow job, her time may will come. Lewis is an interesting fella but has no profile, would struggle to get arrested in his own house. Thornberry or Phillips would be a fucking disaster. Jess Phillips is so bad even the contrarians at spike can't be arsed to write an article saying the opposite of everyone else. www.spiked-online.com/2020/01/06/the-hollowness-of-jess-phillips/"But her version of ‘telling it like it is’ seems to entail saying absolutely nothing of substance while generating endless headlines about herself." I think that is what you call nailing it
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 7, 2020 23:52:22 GMT
Nandy is the wild card. Starmer the 'safe' pair of hands and said comforting things about Labour's roots earlier. Long Bailey probably needs another spell in a senior shadow job, her time may will come. Lewis is an interesting fella but has no profile, would struggle to get arrested in his own house. Thornberry or Phillips would be a fucking disaster. I think that's a very fair and succinct summary of the situation. Personally, I wish Liz Kendall had more ministerial experience to consider herself as a candidate. I think she would be a popular choice. Hopefully, her day as a candidate will come too.
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 8, 2020 0:13:09 GMT
Is anyone inspired by the candidates at all. I don’t think any of them have the gravitas or charisma to put in place policy doctrine that will win them power So far only Starmer looks statesmanlike If Boris gets Brexit done and dusted with proper trade deals in place (or at least close to it), it could actually be his undoing because in all other policies I do really think Starmer has what it takes to put Labour back into power. Boris vs Jezza was one bumbling fool up against another. Starmer on the other hand is someone who'll have the intellectual guile to expose him and exploit the misery that further austerity will bring to the country over the next 5 years.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 8, 2020 9:58:51 GMT
It's an national embarrassment that all 6 so far are total strokers and I would not entertain voting for any of them. Says a bloke who voted for the cunt Johnson That's the point though Labour need an electable leader to challenge and those 6 are just as bad if not worse than Boris.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 8, 2020 16:02:07 GMT
Starmer is probably the only sensible choice. Long Bailey is just a Corbyn puppet. Nandy seems genuine and principled and could have made a good deputy. A month after joining the party I'm still waiting for my card so they'd better get a bloody move on so I can tick whichever box I decide to tick.
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Post by robstokie on Jan 8, 2020 18:45:26 GMT
I'm not a Labour supporter, but I believe in a democracy, and in a democracy you need a strong opposition leader to hold the government to account. In my opinion, it's between Starmer and Long-Bailey. If Starmer wins, the Labour party can rebuild from the toxic Corbynism and push on. If Long-Bailey wins, then that would confirm that the loony left/Momentum are firmly in control of the party, and they will continue to slide into irrelevance.
As an aside note - is it just me, or is there something about Starmer (his looks, the way he carries himself, I can't quite put my finger on it) that seems like a prime minister in waiting, if not next time then at some point in the future?
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 8, 2020 19:02:57 GMT
I'm not a Labour supporter, but I believe in a democracy, and in a democracy you need a strong opposition leader to hold the government to account. In my opinion, it's between Starmer and Long-Bailey. If Starmer wins, the Labour party can rebuild from the toxic Corbynism and push on. If Long-Bailey wins, then that would confirm that the loony left/Momentum are firmly in control of the party, and they will continue to slide into irrelevance. As an aside note - is it just me, or is there something about Starmer (his looks, the way he carries himself, I can't quite put my finger on it) that seems like a prime minister in waiting, if not next time then at some point in the future? His roles in the non prosecution of sexual abuse victims in places like Rotherham and the reopening of investigation of false politically motivated abuse claims pushed by Tom Watson should alone be enough to make sure he is never PM, his record as DPP is ahem interesting, he may detoxify the party and provide some proper opposition but i would be amazed if he ever becomes PM.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 8, 2020 20:23:02 GMT
I'm not a Labour supporter, but I believe in a democracy, and in a democracy you need a strong opposition leader to hold the government to account. In my opinion, it's between Starmer and Long-Bailey. If Starmer wins, the Labour party can rebuild from the toxic Corbynism and push on. If Long-Bailey wins, then that would confirm that the loony left/Momentum are firmly in control of the party, and they will continue to slide into irrelevance. As an aside note - is it just me, or is there something about Starmer (his looks, the way he carries himself, I can't quite put my finger on it) that seems like a prime minister in waiting, if not next time then at some point in the future? His roles in the non prosecution of sexual abuse victims in places like Rotherham and the reopening of investigation of false politically motivated abuse claims pushed by Tom Watson should alone be enough to make sure he is never PM, his record as DPP is ahem interesting, he may detoxify the party and provide some proper opposition but i would be amazed if he ever becomes PM. What role did he play in Rotherham?
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 8, 2020 20:31:40 GMT
I'm not a Labour supporter, but I believe in a democracy, and in a democracy you need a strong opposition leader to hold the government to account. In my opinion, it's between Starmer and Long-Bailey. If Starmer wins, the Labour party can rebuild from the toxic Corbynism and push on. If Long-Bailey wins, then that would confirm that the loony left/Momentum are firmly in control of the party, and they will continue to slide into irrelevance. As an aside note - is it just me, or is there something about Starmer (his looks, the way he carries himself, I can't quite put my finger on it) that seems like a prime minister in waiting, if not next time then at some point in the future? His roles in the non prosecution of sexual abuse victims in places like Rotherham and the reopening of investigation of false politically motivated abuse claims pushed by Tom Watson should alone be enough to make sure he is never PM, his record as DPP is ahem interesting, he may detoxify the party and provide some proper opposition but i would be amazed if he ever becomes PM. Wasn’t he a big human rights QC...bessie with our beloved Cherie, championing the causes within the Human Rights Act. Then he oversaw set the CPS which like the criminal justice system had never recovered from the liberal, luvvie leaning it then took on. Another one of the elite who pretends to represent the average Joe by telling them how to live their lives whilst they do the opposite. Another gravy train for the legal profession beckons if he gets anywhere near power.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 20:35:35 GMT
I'm not a Labour supporter, but I believe in a democracy, and in a democracy you need a strong opposition leader to hold the government to account. In my opinion, it's between Starmer and Long-Bailey. If Starmer wins, the Labour party can rebuild from the toxic Corbynism and push on. If Long-Bailey wins, then that would confirm that the loony left/Momentum are firmly in control of the party, and they will continue to slide into irrelevance. As an aside note - is it just me, or is there something about Starmer (his looks, the way he carries himself, I can't quite put my finger on it) that seems like a prime minister in waiting, if not next time then at some point in the future? You believe in democracy. If she got in that would be democracy.....
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Post by swampmongrel on Jan 8, 2020 20:42:50 GMT
I don’t really like lawyers. I work with ‘a lot’ of the blighted and find them strangely both very intelligent and very stupid at the same time.
However, of a bad bunch, Starmer looks the best candidate, but he would still have to drop all the remainism and lock 75% of the Labour Party up for the next 5 years to stand a chance at the next GE.
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