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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 8, 2019 9:15:26 GMT
We’re in a whole lot of mess now because of 3 years of dreadful decisions.
- taking too long to sack Hughes. - appointing the wrong replacement because we wouldnt offer the decent candidates enough. By giving Lambert the job it took the clubs profile right down from a decent PL club to a club looking desperate. - getting the wrong man in in Rowett and allowing him to waste money on more shocking signings. - not selling Allen and Butland then proceeding to sign Bauer to a new contract. - getting Jones. - not backing Jones properly instead giving him cheap options who have taken our wages up higher. How many played yesterday?
Scholes has to go and a real football man needs bringing in. The club have been set back years because of incompetence. If we didn’t have FFP I’d be a lot more confident we could get out of the mess. But our past 2 seasons dealings will ensure we will be in the wilderness for many seasons.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2019 9:22:29 GMT
Let's be totally honest here. Tony pulis should be our manager right now and the only reason he isnt is tony Scholes. Should an accountant really have so much influence as to prevent the club getting the manager it actually needs? Everyone associated with stoke city over the last 3 years needs outing. Scholes should lead all 11 starters yesterday through the exit door. Are you really telling us that the owners and the might of B365 are totally influenced by Tony Scholes? Really? If that is true it's an even bigger indictment of the real problem at Stoke City - Peter Coates. Peter coates would have tony pulis back here in a heartbeat. I have no idea why junior and Scholes are allowed to continue down this path but it is a real sign of weakness from senior. Tony scholes runs the football club on a day to day basis. He is despised by pretty much every member of staff. Former players cant stand him and the stories of lies, broken promises and underhanded behaviour are all out there. Ask ricardo fuller what he thinks of Scholes? Ask him about his apparent desire to go to Sunderland? Ask abdolaye faye about Scholes or asmir begovic. Tony scholes, for whatever reason, has far too much influence over far too many things at stoke city.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2019 9:23:31 GMT
Are you really telling us that the owners and the might of B365 are totally influenced by Tony Scholes? Really? If that is true it's an even bigger indictment of the real problem at Stoke City - Peter Coates. Peter coates would have tony pulis back here in a heartbeat. I have no idea why junior and Scholes are allowed to continue down this path but it is a real sign of weakness from senior. Tony scholes runs the football club on a day to day basis. He is despised by pretty much every member of staff. Former players cant stand him and the stories of lies, broken promises and underhanded behaviour are all out there. Ask ricardo fuller what he thinks of Scholes? Ask him about his apparent desire to go to Sunderland? Ask abdolaye faye about Scholes or asmir begovic. Tony scholes, for whatever reason, has far too much influence over far too many things at stoke city. And who has allowed that to happen?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2019 9:24:12 GMT
Peter coates would have tony pulis back here in a heartbeat. I have no idea why junior and Scholes are allowed to continue down this path but it is a real sign of weakness from senior. Tony scholes runs the football club on a day to day basis. He is despised by pretty much every member of staff. Former players cant stand him and the stories of lies, broken promises and underhanded behaviour are all out there. Ask ricardo fuller what he thinks of Scholes? Ask him about his apparent desire to go to Sunderland? Ask abdolaye faye about Scholes or asmir begovic. Tony scholes, for whatever reason, has far too much influence over far too many things at stoke city. And who has allowed that to happen? I've acknowledged that weakness.
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Post by questionable on Dec 8, 2019 9:27:35 GMT
Agree totally but it’s far to deep it’s a disease that set in years ago, the owners and their stooges can keep hiring and firing managers blaming others in an attempt to deflect blame but there’s not a chance they’ll look in the mirror and think they’re part of the problem.
I honestly think that the players have adopted what’s all the fuss about attitude, WTF was Coates thinking, cretin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:37:21 GMT
TP created an incredibly fit team, but due to his rigid style of play, completely inhibited their ability to go and “play football”.
Hughes came in and took over these players, and released them from their cage, and allowed them to “play”. He bought exceptional players in to compliment the team, and the result was the 9th place finishes.
Unfortunately, he forgot to keep them fit.
As a result, we lost the ability to fight, and when players bought in were of a poorer standard, and didn’t understand the work ethic needed in the Premier League, relegation was a certainty.
The rest, as they say, is history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 9:39:26 GMT
And who has allowed that to happen? I've acknowledged that weakness. I honestly don't think people are acknowledging it enough. This relegation will be Coates' third to the third tier alone, one more than total number of promotions in his entire time here. He will leave a legacy of a decimated club in the third tier with record levels of debt. It's frankly disgraceful.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 8, 2019 9:46:09 GMT
TP created an incredibly fit team, but due to his rigid style of play, completely inhibited their ability to go and “play football”. Hughes came in and took over these players, and released them from their cage, and allowed them to “play”. He bought exceptional players in to compliment the team, and the result was the 9th place finishes. Unfortunately, he forgot to keep them fit. As a result, we lost the ability to fight, and when players bought in were of a poorer standard, and didn’t understand the work ethic needed in the Premier League, relegation was a certainty. The rest, as they say, is history. So they were still relying on the fitness they achieved under TP when we finished 9th 3 years later? Wow.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 8, 2019 9:46:28 GMT
The hierarchy is the common denominator here, but as they own the club and can do what they want so don't expect change anytime soon.
I think we are at another cross roads in our history and there are some similarities to the roof blowing off episode in as much that rank, poor leadership and decision making set the club back many years. In fairness to those in charge with the roof, at least they could argue an act of God.. but nevertheless, poor management around insurance etc.
The current lot can have no excuse and I think their stewardship is far worse.
Going forward, this will be seen as a period of missed opportunity, major screw up and will mark the start of many, many years in the lower leagues. It will take a lost generation before we ever see top flight again.... next to come as predicted will be the turning off of the financial tap.
It was all so predictable, but so typically Stoke. Well done, well done. 👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by Godo on Dec 8, 2019 9:46:30 GMT
Pulis definitely went at the right time and Crystal Palace aside, he has been at his appropriate level ever since. Hughes should have been sacked 9 months earlier and the appointments since then have been a mess (although I think O'Neill is a solid manager the timing was appalling). Whoever sanctioned the signings of the shower of shit we have signed since Imbula (Etebo aside) clearly has no idea of what we needed nor the character/ability of the players in question. The executive should be ashamed, Scholes should be sacked and we should appoint a proper, professional and knowledgeable director of football like Leeds have.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 8, 2019 9:47:12 GMT
I've acknowledged that weakness. I honestly don't think people are acknowledging it enough. This relegation will be Coates' third to the third tier alone, one more than total number of promotions in his entire time here. He will leave a legacy of a decimated club in the third tier with record levels of debt. It's frankly disgraceful. As Peter Coates defenders I think we all acknowledge his apparent failings in much the same way as we grow older we see them in our own family but it doesn’t stop the respect , for whatever his faults the commitment and love is without question . others around him thought have totally deluded understanding of their own football competence added to which the chief executive has produced utterly despicable performance for years and the last managerial appointment showed self interest as opposed to the greater good . I’ve Made no secret of the fact for years I believe until he’s gone the situation won’t improve , the big question is given the owners loyalty what will it take to remove him .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2019 10:04:48 GMT
Not the owners fault, they're putting their money into it, Scholes is the one doing the business and his head should absolutely roll. Of course it's the owner's fault for sticking with Scholes but it's not too late for them to rectify that and bring us back from the ashes. He doesn't sign/pick the players, or do you think he should be to stop managers having free reign?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 11:08:25 GMT
I've acknowledged that weakness. I honestly don't think people are acknowledging it enough. This relegation will be Coates' third to the third tier alone, one more than total number of promotions in his entire time here. He will leave a legacy of a decimated club in the third tier with record levels of debt. It's frankly disgraceful. It's frightening.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 8, 2019 18:49:25 GMT
Let's be totally honest here. Tony pulis should be our manager right now and the only reason he isnt is tony Scholes. Should an accountant really have so much influence as to prevent the club getting the manager it actually needs? Everyone associated with stoke city over the last 3 years needs outing. Scholes should lead all 11 starters yesterday through the exit door. Well said Dave. It's criminal that he's not been held accountable.
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Post by march4 on Dec 8, 2019 18:51:54 GMT
Let's be totally honest here. Tony pulis should be our manager right now and the only reason he isnt is tony Scholes. Should an accountant really have so much influence as to prevent the club getting the manager it actually needs? Everyone associated with stoke city over the last 3 years needs outing. Scholes should lead all 11 starters yesterday through the exit door. Well said Dave. It's criminal that he's not been held accountable. There is no reason why TP is not our manager before the Luton game. Cancel O’Neill’s contract before he brings anyone else in.
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Post by misterj on Dec 8, 2019 18:59:13 GMT
Fans have to take some of the blame for moaning and groaning about the standard of football under TP even though he’d taken us to the promised land. Same fans loved it at first when Hughes had us playing tippy tappy a la Arsenal but we all know the end result when teams like Stoke try that ??!! 😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2019 19:01:52 GMT
Fans have to take some of the blame for moaning and groaning about the standard of football under TP even though he’d taken us to the promised land. Same fans loved it at first when Hughes had us playing tippy tappy a la Arsenal but we all know the end result when teams like Stoke try that ??!! 😂 I... fuck it, does anyone else want this one?
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2019 19:05:14 GMT
Fans have to take some of the blame for moaning and groaning about the standard of football under TP even though he’d taken us to the promised land. Same fans loved it at first when Hughes had us playing tippy tappy a la Arsenal but we all know the end result when teams like Stoke try that ??!! 😂 I... fuck it, does anyone else want this one? There's no point Rob. They're simply not interested.
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Post by RAF on Dec 8, 2019 19:20:29 GMT
Fans have to take some of the blame for moaning and groaning about the standard of football under TP even though he’d taken us to the promised land. Same fans loved it at first when Hughes had us playing tippy tappy a la Arsenal but we all know the end result when teams like Stoke try that ??!! 😂 Oh Fuck Off! Pound for pound one of the biggest piles of shit I've read on here ever! H
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 8, 2019 19:21:56 GMT
Fans have to take some of the blame for moaning and groaning about the standard of football under TP even though he’d taken us to the promised land. Same fans loved it at first when Hughes had us playing tippy tappy a la Arsenal but we all know the end result when teams like Stoke try that ??!! 😂 You absolute fucking melt.
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 8, 2019 20:59:27 GMT
Bingo. But they have mastered the art of letting the managers take all the shit. They let hughes in to piss all over the furniture and did fuck all about it. They are a disgrace. JC out and Scholes out now. We went from a team of fighters with Pulis to a team of wankers under hughes. Yet the y did fuck all to address it. They and they alone are to blame. Do actually know anything about football apart from hoof to a big centre forward to nod it on... Hughes, although iffy towards the end played some of the best football we have seen since the early/mid seventies. BERK.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 21:05:26 GMT
Bingo. But they have mastered the art of letting the managers take all the shit. They let hughes in to piss all over the furniture and did fuck all about it. They are a disgrace. JC out and Scholes out now. We went from a team of fighters with Pulis to a team of wankers under hughes. Yet the y did fuck all to address it. They and they alone are to blame. Do actually know anything about football apart from hoof to a big centre forward to nod it on... Hughes, although iffy towards the end played some of the best football we have seen since the early/mid seventies. BERK. I wasn't even discussing styles of football I was discussing attitude and application and desire. One manager created it in abundance the other turned us into what you are now witnessing. Good one with the BERK though, not heard that insult in years, made me chuckle.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Dec 8, 2019 21:06:41 GMT
Teflon Tony Scholes. Complete and utter wanker.
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Post by anchorman on Dec 8, 2019 21:11:30 GMT
The hierarchy is the common denominator here, but as they own the club and can do what they want so don't expect change anytime soon. I think we are at another cross roads in our history and there are some similarities to the roof blowing off episode in as much that rank, poor leadership and decision making set the club back many years. In fairness to those in charge with the roof, at least they could argue an act of God.. but nevertheless, poor management around insurance etc. The current lot can have no excuse and I think their stewardship is far worse. Going forward, this will be seen as a period of missed opportunity, major screw up and will mark the start of many, many years in the lower leagues. It will take a lost generation before we ever see top flight again.... next to come as predicted will be the turning off of the financial tap. It was all so predictable, but so typically Stoke. Well done, well done. 👏👏👏👏👏 You’re spot on, it’s another crossroads in the History of the club and judging by our previous History, I’m not optimistic to say the very least. These previous monumental disasters include selling the best player in the world to Blackpool with 3/4 matches left and the team chasing the 1st division title, The Butler Street not insured when again we were in contention for the title & had arguably the best team certainly in my lifetime and then miraculously giving up our place so weakly and feebly at the top table....Pathetic......What we are fucking amazingly brilliant at is clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. We’re shit hot at that.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 21:13:53 GMT
The hierarchy is the common denominator here, but as they own the club and can do what they want so don't expect change anytime soon. I think we are at another cross roads in our history and there are some similarities to the roof blowing off episode in as much that rank, poor leadership and decision making set the club back many years. In fairness to those in charge with the roof, at least they could argue an act of God.. but nevertheless, poor management around insurance etc. The current lot can have no excuse and I think their stewardship is far worse. Going forward, this will be seen as a period of missed opportunity, major screw up and will mark the start of many, many years in the lower leagues. It will take a lost generation before we ever see top flight again.... next to come as predicted will be the turning off of the financial tap. It was all so predictable, but so typically Stoke. Well done, well done. 👏👏👏👏👏 You’re spot on, it’s another crossroads in the History of the club and judging by our previous History, I’m not optimistic to say the very least. These previous monumental disasters include selling the best player in the world to Blackpool with 3/4 matches left and the team chasing the 1st division title, The Butler Street not insured when again we were in contention for the title & had arguably the best team certainly in my lifetime and then miraculously giving up our place so weakly and feebly at the top table....Pathetic......What we are fucking amazingly brilliant at is clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. We’re shit hot at that. I've been corrected about the uninsured roof before. It was insured apparently. But your points remain valid and I fully agree.
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Post by standbutler1 on Dec 8, 2019 21:31:53 GMT
Its turned into who was the best manager. 1.T.P Took us up and got us settled. 2. Hughes showed how football should be played. After that the man who took the glory and was told the purse is full for the sake of the club Fu..ed up and threw the said money at anything to try and cover his balls up.
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