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Post by anchorman on Dec 7, 2019 23:24:44 GMT
He needs to go and should have gone a long time ago. Has there ever been a suggestion he ever knew anything. About football . On every count his job performance , leadership and front facing approach is simply appalling I collared TS at a dinner the season we went down. Told him exactly what I thought of him & the club, accused them of complacency & negligence, told him that Hughes dined off TP's foundation, his reaction to that was worth the entrance fee ten times over! Told him we were the new Sunderland to which he said 'Absolutely not, we will do a Newcastle and come straight back up'................................I hope you're right Mr Scholes.....surprise surprise......You're so wrong. Please empty your desk and get out of our club. Maybe you could go & lie on a beach somewhere with Mark and blow smoke up each other's arse just like the 'good' old days.
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Post by anchorman on Dec 7, 2019 23:26:03 GMT
FFS We overachieved pre Jan with a squad that was ageing & suffered injuries and yet TP got that bunch to 8th at Xmas.Hughes wouldn't have got a tune out of that lot. Etherington was injured & Pennant went awol and Scholes the cunt that he is refused to back Pulis in the Jan window. TP wanted Ince, Ledley & Dann and ended up with Brek fucking Shea. He also landed Craig Bellamy only for Scholes to scupper the deal because he is bitter & twisted, hence our position now. TP resigned that January only for Peter to persuade him to stay until the end of the season. As I have said a million times, Hughes then dined out on the Pulis core, the spine & a decade of hard graft but once the spine such as Huth, Whelan, Walters Wilson left he (as I predicted from day 1) was never, ever going to build his own spine because he was not capable of doing so , never was, never will be and hey presto it all started to crumble. To this day I will maintain that hjad after Hughes was sacked, if Peter had got his wish TP would have returned and he would have fucking well saved us. Likewise this last appointment whilst reasonably ok, Peter wanted TP........WE are down full stop & Scholes needs to get out of our club & John Coates needs to sell programmes. I could go on & on & on but I'm drained with this shit show of a football club. Not sure I understand, sorry... So if TP has signed Ince in 2013, widely regarded as not good enough in the Championship now, things would’ve been hunky dory? We didn’t need Dann and Joe Ledley sure as shit wouldn’t have solved any of the problems we had at that time. Why are you lauding being 8th at Christmas as an achievement but dismissing actually finishing 9th in the final table? If Hughes was only ‘dining out’ on Pulis’ slime, why did Pulis himself never finish as high as he did? Oh I'm sure you don't understand
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 7, 2019 23:27:02 GMT
So why did this ‘disciplined squad of fighters’ only win four games after new year in 2011-12 and three games in five months in Pulis’ last season? And why did Hughes ‘doss house’ finish higher in the league than Pulis ever managed? FFS We overachieved pre Jan with a squad that was ageing & suffered injuries and yet TP got that bunch to 8th at Xmas.Hughes wouldn't have got a tune out of that lot. Etherington was injured & Pennant went awol and Scholes the cunt that he is refused to back Pulis in the Jan window. TP wanted Ince, Ledley & Dann and ended up with Brek fucking Shea. He also landed Craig Bellamy only for Scholes to scupper the deal because he is bitter & twisted, hence our position now. TP resigned that January only for Peter to persuade him to stay until the end of the season. As I have said a million times, Hughes then dined out on the Pulis core, the spine & a decade of hard graft but once the spine such as Huth, Whelan, Walters Wilson left he (as I predicted from day 1) was never, ever going to build his own spine because he was not capable of doing so , never was, never will be and hey presto it all started to crumble. To this day I will maintain that hjad after Hughes was sacked, if Peter had got his wish TP would have returned and he would have fucking well saved us. Likewise this last appointment whilst reasonably ok, Peter wanted TP........WE are down full stop & Scholes needs to get out of our club & John Coates needs to sell programmes. I could go on & on & on but I'm drained with this shit show of a football club. I was never a Pulis fan, but I don't think we would have gone down under him(sorry Tox!). I think he would have dug out the results required. Tone's weakness was a lack of ambition, not ability. I say this as someone who wanted him out.
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Post by standbutler1 on Dec 7, 2019 23:27:42 GMT
But even at his best when he hadn’t gone stale he didn’t manage to finish top half? Since Hughes ‘did have some success’ he deserves credit for that surely, just as he deserved blame for things going wrong? No but he did get us promoted, something Hughes wouldn't achieve in a million years, amazing cup runs, FA semi final 5 fucking 0, FA cup final, Europe................Hughes added sparkly bits but lived of TP's foundation as was proved & could never build his own. Put it this way. In times to come there will never be a statue built of Mark fucking Hughes............ TP? I'd get started on the fucker tomorrow - LEGEND! Your missing the point lads..Pulis would give us a hard working team (BEAR PIT) Hughes took us a step further entering good players then couldn't control them and got pissed off and gave u..But the man who wanted him through money at it (not his) and balls it up.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 23:27:53 GMT
Because Pulis had started to run out of ideas and teams had worked us out. He went at about the right time. Hughes did have some success but it brought with it wholesale change in club philosophy for the worse. The much much worse. But even at his best when he hadn’t gone stale he didn’t manage to finish top half? Since Hughes ‘did have some success’ he deserves credit for that surely, just as he deserved blame for things going wrong? For me he lost any credit when I realised the mess he was creating within. As a fan I am not expected to see this first hand so yes I was delighted with a bit of his success. The senior management however failed in their duty of ensuring the long term health of the club because they couldn't be arsed to actually see what was going on right under their noses inside their property. They are a disgrace.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 23:27:53 GMT
Not sure I understand, sorry... So if TP has signed Ince in 2013, widely regarded as not good enough in the Championship now, things would’ve been hunky dory? We didn’t need Dann and Joe Ledley sure as shit wouldn’t have solved any of the problems we had at that time. Why are you lauding being 8th at Christmas as an achievement but dismissing actually finishing 9th in the final table? If Hughes was only ‘dining out’ on Pulis’ slime, why did Pulis himself never finish as high as he did? Oh I'm sure you don't understand Please do feel free to enlighten me, as that’s a pretty lame comeback that addresses literally none of the points I’ve raised?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 7, 2019 23:27:59 GMT
FFS We overachieved pre Jan with a squad that was ageing & suffered injuries and yet TP got that bunch to 8th at Xmas.Hughes wouldn't have got a tune out of that lot. Etherington was injured & Pennant went awol and Scholes the cunt that he is refused to back Pulis in the Jan window. TP wanted Ince, Ledley & Dann and ended up with Brek fucking Shea. He also landed Craig Bellamy only for Scholes to scupper the deal because he is bitter & twisted, hence our position now. TP resigned that January only for Peter to persuade him to stay until the end of the season. As I have said a million times, Hughes then dined out on the Pulis core, the spine & a decade of hard graft but once the spine such as Huth, Whelan, Walters Wilson left he (as I predicted from day 1) was never, ever going to build his own spine because he was not capable of doing so , never was, never will be and hey presto it all started to crumble. To this day I will maintain that hjad after Hughes was sacked, if Peter had got his wish TP would have returned and he would have fucking well saved us. Likewise this last appointment whilst reasonably ok, Peter wanted TP........WE are down full stop & Scholes needs to get out of our club & John Coates needs to sell programmes. I could go on & on & on but I'm drained with this shit show of a football club. Not sure I understand, sorry... So if TP has signed Ince in 2013, widely regarded as not good enough in the Championship now, things would’ve been hunky dory? We didn’t need Dann and Joe Ledley sure as shit wouldn’t have solved any of the problems we had at that time. Why are you lauding being 8th at Christmas as an achievement but dismissing actually finishing 9th in the final table? If Hughes was only ‘dining out’ on Pulis’ slime, why did Pulis himself never finish as high as he did? A very simple (and relevant) question that you've asked numerous posters on numerous occasions so far...yet to see a single one of them actually answer as yet!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 7, 2019 23:28:36 GMT
Has there ever been a suggestion he ever knew anything. About football . On every count his job performance , leadership and front facing approach is simply appalling I collared TS at a dinner the season we went down. Told him exactly what I thought of him & the club, accused them of complacency & negligence, told him that Hughes dined off TP's foundation, his reaction to that was worth the entrance fee ten times over! Told him we were the new Sunderland to which he said 'Absolutely not, we will do a Newcastle and come straight back up'................................I hope you're right Mr Scholes.....surprise surprise......You're so wrong. Please empty your desk and get out of our club. Maybe you could go & lie on a beach somewhere with Mark and blow smoke up each other's arse just like the 'good' old days. Sounds like we can add staggering arrogance to appalling judgment and a delusional sense of his own understanding , still he spoke to you which is a rare honour in itself
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 7, 2019 23:29:04 GMT
Not sure I understand, sorry... So if TP has signed Ince in 2013, widely regarded as not good enough in the Championship now, things would’ve been hunky dory? We didn’t need Dann and Joe Ledley sure as shit wouldn’t have solved any of the problems we had at that time. Why are you lauding being 8th at Christmas as an achievement but dismissing actually finishing 9th in the final table? If Hughes was only ‘dining out’ on Pulis’ slime, why did Pulis himself never finish as high as he did? Oh I'm sure you don't understand what an embarrassing response....exceptionally poor
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 23:29:16 GMT
But even at his best when he hadn’t gone stale he didn’t manage to finish top half? Since Hughes ‘did have some success’ he deserves credit for that surely, just as he deserved blame for things going wrong? For me he lost any credit when I realised the mess he was creating within. As a fan I am not expected to see this first hand so yes I was delighted with a bit of his success. The senior management however failed in their duty of ensuring the long term health of the club because they couldn't be arsed to actually see what was going on right under their noses inside their property. They are a disgrace. Does he not just deserve credit for the good and criticism for the bad? Can’t honestly say the Liverpool or Man City games mean nothing to me now because things went tits up.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 23:33:02 GMT
For me he lost any credit when I realised the mess he was creating within. As a fan I am not expected to see this first hand so yes I was delighted with a bit of his success. The senior management however failed in their duty of ensuring the long term health of the club because they couldn't be arsed to actually see what was going on right under their noses inside their property. They are a disgrace. Does he not just deserve credit for the good and criticism for the bad? Can’t honestly say the Liverpool or Man City games mean nothing to me now because things went tits up. No he doesn't. If you had a business and brought a salesman in who had 3 cracking years according to your accounts but then as a result of his work ultimately bankrupted your business would you remember him fondly for the 3 apparent good years?
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Post by Gods on Dec 7, 2019 23:33:15 GMT
Read the whole thread and still have no clue as to who the OP thinks is the one man to blame?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 23:34:09 GMT
Does he not just deserve credit for the good and criticism for the bad? Can’t honestly say the Liverpool or Man City games mean nothing to me now because things went tits up. No he doesn't. If you had a business and brought a salesman in who had 3 cracking years according to your accounts but then as a result of his work ultimately bankrupted your business would you remember him fondly for the 3 apparent good years? I’d be be measured and balanced and recognise the good and the bad. I’d also blame myself for not getting rid earlier.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 23:35:35 GMT
Read the whole thread and still have no clue as to who the OP thinks is the one man to blame? The implication I think is that it’s Scholes, who is, for all his uselessness, now something of a lightning rod for every single thing wrong with the club, much to the relief of the manager and the Coates family I’m sure.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 23:38:24 GMT
Read the whole thread and still have no clue as to who the OP thinks is the one man to blame? The implication I think is that it’s Scholes, who is, for all his uselessness, now something of a lightning rod for every single thing wrong with the club, much to the relief of the manager and the Coates family I’m sure. Scholes needs to go. Maybe there is some merit in your defence of him(I understand you don't particularly like him either) but the statement of getting him gone alone would restore some faith in the club actually affecting some positive change. He's done and needs to go whether its a mostly political move or not. Edit and JC needs to go as well. I could do a better job.
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Post by standbutler1 on Dec 7, 2019 23:49:15 GMT
Read the whole thread and still have no clue as to who the OP thinks is the one man to blame? Who do you think is to blame Gods ?
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Post by Gods on Dec 7, 2019 23:50:33 GMT
Read the whole thread and still have no clue as to who the OP thinks is the one man to blame? The implication I think is that it’s Scholes, who is, for all his uselessness, now something of a lightning rod for every single thing wrong with the club, much to the relief of the manager and the Coates family I’m sure. Agreed. If you want to blame Scholes solely for our current plight then you need to also thank him solely for 10 years in the Prem, the FA Cup Final, the European run and 3 consecutive Top half Prem finishes and none of his detractors are doing that! Truth is he runs the business side of the club, Commercial Operations, Finance, Corporate Social Responsibility, Human Resources etc. You can't place the current paucity of the on-field performances solely at his door anymore than you can attribute the 10 glorious years that went before it to him.
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Post by standbutler1 on Dec 7, 2019 23:59:54 GMT
The implication I think is that it’s Scholes, who is, for all his uselessness, now something of a lightning rod for every single thing wrong with the club, much to the relief of the manager and the Coates family I’m sure. Agreed. If you want to blame Scholes solely for our current plight then you need to also thank him solely for 10 years in the Prem, the FA Cup Final, the European run and 3 consecutive Top half Prem finishes and none of his detractors are doing that! Truth is he runs the business side of the club, Commercial Operations, Finance, Corporate Social Responsibility, Human Resources etc. You can't place the current paucity of the on-field performances solely at his door anymore than you can attribute the 10 glorious years that went before it to him. Tour saying Scholes gave us ten great years in the prem cup Europe. you must be family.
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2019 0:34:30 GMT
Agreed. If you want to blame Scholes solely for our current plight then you need to also thank him solely for 10 years in the Prem, the FA Cup Final, the European run and 3 consecutive Top half Prem finishes and none of his detractors are doing that! Truth is he runs the business side of the club, Commercial Operations, Finance, Corporate Social Responsibility, Human Resources etc. You can't place the current paucity of the on-field performances solely at his door anymore than you can attribute the 10 glorious years that went before it to him. Tour saying Scholes gave us ten great years in the prem cup Europe. you must be family. I'm sorry I don't understand what you are saying? Who or what is 'Tour'? And I didn't say we should thank Scholes for 10 years in the Prem. I said if you want to blame him solely for everything that is wrong now then you have to thank him solely for the good times. I wouldn't do either.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 8, 2019 8:32:31 GMT
what an embarrassing response....exceptionally poor Indeed, he'd have been better served upping anchor and fucking off, he'd have looked a lot less foolish. Seems he's now realised this
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2019 8:35:24 GMT
FFS We overachieved pre Jan with a squad that was ageing & suffered injuries and yet TP got that bunch to 8th at Xmas.Hughes wouldn't have got a tune out of that lot. Etherington was injured & Pennant went awol and Scholes the cunt that he is refused to back Pulis in the Jan window. TP wanted Ince, Ledley & Dann and ended up with Brek fucking Shea. He also landed Craig Bellamy only for Scholes to scupper the deal because he is bitter & twisted, hence our position now. TP resigned that January only for Peter to persuade him to stay until the end of the season. As I have said a million times, Hughes then dined out on the Pulis core, the spine & a decade of hard graft but once the spine such as Huth, Whelan, Walters Wilson left he (as I predicted from day 1) was never, ever going to build his own spine because he was not capable of doing so , never was, never will be and hey presto it all started to crumble. To this day I will maintain that hjad after Hughes was sacked, if Peter had got his wish TP would have returned and he would have fucking well saved us. Likewise this last appointment whilst reasonably ok, Peter wanted TP........WE are down full stop & Scholes needs to get out of our club & John Coates needs to sell programmes. I could go on & on & on but I'm drained with this shit show of a football club. I was never a Pulis fan, but I don't think we would have gone down under him(sorry Tox!). I think he would have dug out the results required. Tone's weakness was a lack of ambition, not ability. I say this as someone who wanted him out. He was getting worse and worse at ‘digging out’ those results though Tricky.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 8:58:21 GMT
To be honest I don't know what all the fuss is about. As a club we've never done anything of note and yet when we were doing well all supporters could do was pick up on the negatives.... Arnie lazy twat, Shaq show pony etc etc. I'm guilty of that as well btw.
We're getting exactly what we deserve, because as a fan base we just moan moan fucking moan. We've got a new manager in and people have moaned about him before he walked through the door.
The reality is Stoke fans don't want success, they want to wallow in mediocrity, like some two bob Man City fan of days gone by.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2019 9:02:49 GMT
To be honest I don't know what all the fuss is about. As a club we've never done anything of note and yet when we were doing well all supporters could do was pick up on the negatives.... Arnie lazy twat, Shaq show pony etc etc. I'm guilty of that as well btw. We're getting exactly what we deserve, because as a fan base we just moan moan fucking moan. We've got a new manager in and people have moaned about him before he walked through the door. The reality is Stoke fans don't want success, they want to wallow in mediocrity, like some two bob Man City fan of days gone by. Says the biggest moaner on the message board under the capped one🤔😄
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Post by anchorman on Dec 8, 2019 9:02:49 GMT
Not sure I understand, sorry... So if TP has signed Ince in 2013, widely regarded as not good enough in the Championship now, things would’ve been hunky dory? We didn’t need Dann and Joe Ledley sure as shit wouldn’t have solved any of the problems we had at that time. Why are you lauding being 8th at Christmas as an achievement but dismissing actually finishing 9th in the final table? If Hughes was only ‘dining out’ on Pulis’ slime, why did Pulis himself never finish as high as he did? Oh I'm sure you don't understand My point is that getting that particular group to 8th at that time, given the circumstances and the situation with injuries/ageing squad was overachieving and the Jan window was an opportunity to redress the situation & add what was required. TP wasn’t backed. Re the 9th place finishes, it was a great achievement but there was a structure to build on and Hughes benefited from that and he was backed. As for your why didn’t TP achieve 9th....if we hadn’t have been involved in so many cups, Europe, then maybe he would, who knows but he would have never resided over such a debacle of absolute destruction of a team & football club.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 9:03:20 GMT
To be honest I don't know what all the fuss is about. As a club we've never done anything of note and yet when we were doing well all supporters could do was pick up on the negatives.... Arnie lazy twat, Shaq show pony etc etc. I'm guilty of that as well btw. We're getting exactly what we deserve, because as a fan base we just moan moan fucking moan. We've got a new manager in and people have moaned about him before he walked through the door. The reality is Stoke fans don't want success, they want to wallow in mediocrity, like some two bob Man City fan of days gone by. Says the biggest moaner on the message board under the capped one🤔😄 I said I was guilty m'lud.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 9:04:36 GMT
My point is that getting that particular group to 8th at that time, given the circumstances and the situation with injuries/ageing squad was overachieving and the Jan window was an opportunity to redress the situation & add what was required. TP wasn’t backed. Re the 9th place finishes, it was a great achievement but there was a structure to build on and Hughes benefited from that and he was backed. As for your why didn’t TP achieve 9th....if we hadn’t have been involved in so many cups, Europe, then maybe he would, who knows but he would have never resided over such a debacle of absolute destruction of a team & football club. What a load of fucking shit.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2019 9:09:50 GMT
Let's be totally honest here. Tony pulis should be our manager right now and the only reason he isnt is tony Scholes.
Should an accountant really have so much influence as to prevent the club getting the manager it actually needs?
Everyone associated with stoke city over the last 3 years needs outing. Scholes should lead all 11 starters yesterday through the exit door.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 8, 2019 9:12:16 GMT
Let's be totally honest here. Tony pulis should be our manager right now and the only reason he isnt is tony Scholes. Should an accountant really have so much influence as to prevent the club getting the manager it actually needs? Everyone associated with stoke city over the last 3 years needs outing. Scholes should lead all 11 starters yesterday through the exit door. images.app.goo.gl/z7HX6RS2r8d2yRuw9
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 9:13:24 GMT
Let's be totally honest here. Tony pulis should be our manager right now and the only reason he isnt is tony Scholes. Should an accountant really have so much influence as to prevent the club getting the manager it actually needs? Everyone associated with stoke city over the last 3 years needs outing. Scholes should lead all 11 starters yesterday through the exit door. Are you really telling us that the owners and the might of B365 are totally influenced by Tony Scholes? Really? If that is true it's an even bigger indictment of the real problem at Stoke City - Peter Coates.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2019 9:13:39 GMT
My point is that getting that particular group to 8th at that time, given the circumstances and the situation with injuries/ageing squad was overachieving and the Jan window was an opportunity to redress the situation & add what was required. TP wasn’t backed. Re the 9th place finishes, it was a great achievement but there was a structure to build on and Hughes benefited from that and he was backed. As for your why didn’t TP achieve 9th....if we hadn’t have been involved in so many cups, Europe, then maybe he would, who knows but he would have never resided over such a debacle of absolute destruction of a team & football club. Jesus, where to start with this... He was allowed in the summer of 2011 to spend more than any Stoke manager in history had up to that point. Over the next three windows he brought in about 14 players, about three of which actually played regularly. If we had an ageing, injury prone squad, that was down to him. The ‘structure to build on’ was a demoralised bunch that were smashing each other’s car windows and won once in four months after Boxing Day that year. ‘Involved in so many cups...’ - with one exception we were always out of them by the end of February. Good record, sure, but don’t tell me that took so much out of us we couldn’t possibly hope to finish top half. We didn’t finish top half because he wasn’t interested in anything beyond 40 points in the league.
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