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Post by standbutler1 on Dec 7, 2019 22:27:33 GMT
Watching stoke from the early seventies.
For me the owners have put the money in got some decent managers and gave us some glory.
But whoever gave the ok to buy the shower of shit for the last 4/5 seasons has ruined our club.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 22:33:30 GMT
Bingo. But they have mastered the art of letting the managers take all the shit. They let hughes in to piss all over the furniture and did fuck all about it. They are a disgrace. JC out and Scholes out now.
We went from a team of fighters with Pulis to a team of wankers under hughes. Yet the y did fuck all to address it. They and they alone are to blame.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:33:51 GMT
Are we saying the owners didn’t give the ok to have their own money spent on said shite?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 22:34:57 GMT
Are we saying the owners didn’t give the ok to have their own money spent on said shite? They did and that's the point. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:35:15 GMT
Bingo. But they have mastered the art of letting the managers take all the shit. They let hughes in to piss all over the furniture and did fuck all about it. They are a disgrace. JC out and Scholes out now. We went from a team of fighters with Pulis to a team of last wankers under hughes. Yet the y did fuck all to address it. They and they alone are to blame. Again, hang on. Pulis failed to win 78% of his league games over his last 18 months and never finished as high as Hughes managed to. Doesn’t that suggest at least that both did a good job for a while? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:35:43 GMT
Are we saying the owners didn’t give the ok to have their own money spent on said shite? They did and that's the point. So there’s several men to blame rather than only one? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 22:37:46 GMT
Not the owners fault, they're putting their money into it, Scholes is the one doing the business and his head should absolutely roll.
Of course it's the owner's fault for sticking with Scholes but it's not too late for them to rectify that and bring us back from the ashes.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 7, 2019 22:38:14 GMT
Are we saying the owners didn’t give the ok to have their own money spent on said shite? They did and that's the point. Three fourth placed finishes was the excuse for not fcuking Hughes off on here credit in the bank and all that old bollocks, maybe the owners are as thick as them  |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 22:38:37 GMT
Bingo. But they have mastered the art of letting the managers take all the shit. They let hughes in to piss all over the furniture and did fuck all about it. They are a disgrace. JC out and Scholes out now. We went from a team of fighters with Pulis to a team of last wankers under hughes. Yet the y did fuck all to address it. They and they alone are to blame. Again, hang on. Pulis failed to win 78% of his league games over his last 18 months and never finished as high as Hughes managed to. Doesn’t that suggest at least that both did a good job for a while? One had a disciplined squad of fighters the other created a squad of pussies that in no way reflect a Stoke ethos. The club should dictate our club ethos. Kinda like Liverpool do with the boot room mentality. Stoke have been drunk on the success of Pulis and stopped giving a fuck about their own accountability. And in the vacuum between MH created a doss house. We are still paying the price. |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 7, 2019 22:40:15 GMT
They did and that's the point. Three fourth placed finishes was the excuse for not fcuking Hughes off on here credit in the bank and all that old bollocks, maybe the owners are as thick as them  Hopefully they're not as thick as you. |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 7, 2019 22:40:33 GMT
Not the owners fault, they're putting their money into it, Scholes is the one doing the business and his head should absolutely roll. Of course it's the owner's fault for sticking with Scholes but it's not too late for them to rectify that and bring us back from the ashes. So basically it's the owners fault ultimately  the buck stops with them they employ these idiots it is their responsibility end of. |
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Post by standbutler1 on Dec 7, 2019 22:41:31 GMT
Not the owners the man they believed. In ?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 22:41:35 GMT
They did and that's the point. So there’s several men to blame rather than only one? I frame the senior management as a single entity. They and they alone are to blame for their shitness. Every single big strategic decision a total mess. And that includes some of the managers being appointed. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:42:27 GMT
Not the owners fault, they're putting their money into it, Scholes is the one doing the business and his head should absolutely roll. Of course it's the owner's fault for sticking with Scholes but it's not too late for them to rectify that and bring us back from the ashes. Well the owners are appointing managers aren’t they, as well as sticking with Scholes? |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 7, 2019 22:43:58 GMT
Three fourth placed finishes was the excuse for not fcuking Hughes off on here credit in the bank and all that old bollocks, maybe the owners are as thick as them Hopefully they're not as thick as you. You were one of them  |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:43:59 GMT
Again, hang on. Pulis failed to win 78% of his league games over his last 18 months and never finished as high as Hughes managed to. Doesn’t that suggest at least that both did a good job for a while? One had a disciplined squad of fighters the other created a squad of pussies that in no way reflect a Stoke ethos. The club should dictate our club ethos. Kinda like Liverpool do with the boot room mentality. Stoke have been drunk on the success of Pulis and stopped giving a fuck about their own accountability. And in the vacuum between MH created a doss house. We are still paying the price. So why did this ‘disciplined squad of fighters’ only win four games after new year in 2011-12 and three games in five months in Pulis’ last season? And why did Hughes ‘doss house’ finish higher in the league than Pulis ever managed? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 22:44:22 GMT
Not the owners fault, they're putting their money into it, Scholes is the one doing the business and his head should absolutely roll. Of course it's the owner's fault for sticking with Scholes but it's not too late for them to rectify that and bring us back from the ashes. There's none so blind as those that cannot see. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 22:47:59 GMT
One had a disciplined squad of fighters the other created a squad of pussies that in no way reflect a Stoke ethos. The club should dictate our club ethos. Kinda like Liverpool do with the boot room mentality. Stoke have been drunk on the success of Pulis and stopped giving a fuck about their own accountability. And in the vacuum between MH created a doss house. We are still paying the price. So why did this ‘disciplined squad of fighters’ only win four games after new year in 2011-12 and three games in five months in Pulis’ last season? And why did Hughes ‘doss house’ finish higher in the league than Pulis ever managed? I've never once argued Pulis's time wasn't done. Not once. But he had a long term successful formula that gave us a promotion and prolonged success against massive odds in the prem. Hughes benefited from a pulis backbone and then ultimately undid it all thinking he was going to create a fucking Barcelona. He treated Stoke like a toy and to fuck with the consequences. We are still paying the price for his fuckwittery |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:49:10 GMT
So why did this ‘disciplined squad of fighters’ only win four games after new year in 2011-12 and three games in five months in Pulis’ last season? And why did Hughes ‘doss house’ finish higher in the league than Pulis ever managed? I've never once argued Pulis's time wasn't done. Not once. But he had a long term successful formula that gave us a promotion and prolonged success against massive odds in the prem. Hughes benefited from a pulis backbone and then ultimately undid it all thinking he was going to create a fucking Barcelona. He treated Stoke like a toy and to fuck with the consequences. We are still paying the price for his fuckwittery Why didn’t that ‘Pulis backbone’ manage a better league finish than the jammy chancer who inherited it? |
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Post by bedworthstokie on Dec 7, 2019 22:50:15 GMT
TS told me after the win against watford at milton keynes train station kevin wimmer would come good as i questioned his ability on football knowledge.....this guy is clueless at his job. Hes hoodwinked mr coates completely and stealing a living at this club....Fuck off scholes you know nothing about football
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Post by standbutler1 on Dec 7, 2019 22:53:29 GMT
TS told me after the win against watford at milton keynes train station kevin wimmer would come good as i questioned his ability on football knowledge.....this guy is clueless at his job. Hes hoodwinked mr coates completely and stealing a living at this club....Fuck off scholes you know nothing about football This. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 22:54:47 GMT
I've never once argued Pulis's time wasn't done. Not once. But he had a long term successful formula that gave us a promotion and prolonged success against massive odds in the prem. Hughes benefited from a pulis backbone and then ultimately undid it all thinking he was going to create a fucking Barcelona. He treated Stoke like a toy and to fuck with the consequences. We are still paying the price for his fuckwittery Why didn’t that ‘Pulis backbone’ manage a better league finish than the jammy chancer who inherited it? Because Pulis had started to run out of ideas and teams had worked us out. He went at about the right time. Hughes did have some success but it brought with it wholesale change in club philosophy for the worse. The much much worse. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:55:31 GMT
Why didn’t that ‘Pulis backbone’ manage a better league finish than the jammy chancer who inherited it? Because Pulis had started to run out of ideas and teams had worked us out. He went at about the right time. Hughes did have some success but it brought with it wholesale change in club philosophy for the worse. The much much worse. But even at his best when he hadn’t gone stale he didn’t manage to finish top half? Since Hughes ‘did have some success’ he deserves credit for that surely, just as he deserved blame for things going wrong? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 7, 2019 22:55:45 GMT
TS told me after the win against watford at milton keynes train station kevin wimmer would come good as i questioned his ability on football knowledge.....this guy is clueless at his job. Hes hoodwinked mr coates completely and stealing a living at this club....Fuck off scholes you know nothing about football He needs to go and should have gone a long time ago. |
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Post by standbutler1 on Dec 7, 2019 23:00:47 GMT
TS told me after the win against watford at milton keynes train station kevin wimmer would come good as i questioned his ability on football knowledge.....this guy is clueless at his job. Hes hoodwinked mr coates completely and stealing a living at this club....Fuck off scholes you know nothing about football I. think he is a undercover agent for Arsnel |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 23:01:23 GMT
Kitson?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 7, 2019 23:07:37 GMT
TS told me after the win against watford at milton keynes train station kevin wimmer would come good as i questioned his ability on football knowledge.....this guy is clueless at his job. Hes hoodwinked mr coates completely and stealing a living at this club....Fuck off scholes you know nothing about football He needs to go and should have gone a long time ago. Has there ever been a suggestion he ever knew anything. About football . On every count his job performance , leadership and front facing approach is simply appalling |
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Post by anchorman on Dec 7, 2019 23:12:00 GMT
One had a disciplined squad of fighters the other created a squad of pussies that in no way reflect a Stoke ethos. The club should dictate our club ethos. Kinda like Liverpool do with the boot room mentality. Stoke have been drunk on the success of Pulis and stopped giving a fuck about their own accountability. And in the vacuum between MH created a doss house. We are still paying the price. So why did this ‘disciplined squad of fighters’ only win four games after new year in 2011-12 and three games in five months in Pulis’ last season? And why did Hughes ‘doss house’ finish higher in the league than Pulis ever managed? FFS We overachieved pre Jan with a squad that was ageing & suffered injuries and yet TP got that bunch to 8th at Xmas.Hughes wouldn't have got a tune out of that lot. Etherington was injured & Pennant went awol and Scholes the cunt that he is refused to back Pulis in the Jan window. TP wanted Ince, Ledley & Dann and ended up with Brek fucking Shea. He also landed Craig Bellamy only for Scholes to scupper the deal because he is bitter & twisted, hence our position now. TP resigned that January only for Peter to persuade him to stay until the end of the season. As I have said a million times, Hughes then dined out on the Pulis core, the spine & a decade of hard graft but once the spine such as Huth, Whelan, Walters Wilson left he (as I predicted from day 1) was never, ever going to build his own spine because he was not capable of doing so , never was, never will be and hey presto it all started to crumble. To this day I will maintain that hjad after Hughes was sacked, if Peter had got his wish TP would have returned and he would have fucking well saved us. Likewise this last appointment whilst reasonably ok, Peter wanted TP........WE are down full stop & Scholes needs to get out of our club & John Coates needs to sell programmes. I could go on & on & on but I'm drained with this shit show of a football club. |
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Post by anchorman on Dec 7, 2019 23:17:56 GMT
Because Pulis had started to run out of ideas and teams had worked us out. He went at about the right time. Hughes did have some success but it brought with it wholesale change in club philosophy for the worse. The much much worse. But even at his best when he hadn’t gone stale he didn’t manage to finish top half? Since Hughes ‘did have some success’ he deserves credit for that surely, just as he deserved blame for things going wrong? No but he did get us promoted, something Hughes wouldn't achieve in a million years, amazing cup runs, FA semi final 5 fucking 0, FA cup final, Europe................Hughes added sparkly bits but lived of TP's foundation as was proved & could never build his own. Put it this way. In times to come there will never be a statue built of Mark fucking Hughes............ TP? I'd get started on the fucker tomorrow - LEGEND! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 23:21:22 GMT
So why did this ‘disciplined squad of fighters’ only win four games after new year in 2011-12 and three games in five months in Pulis’ last season? And why did Hughes ‘doss house’ finish higher in the league than Pulis ever managed? FFS We overachieved pre Jan with a squad that was ageing & suffered injuries and yet TP got that bunch to 8th at Xmas.Hughes wouldn't have got a tune out of that lot. Etherington was injured & Pennant went awol and Scholes the cunt that he is refused to back Pulis in the Jan window. TP wanted Ince, Ledley & Dann and ended up with Brek fucking Shea. He also landed Craig Bellamy only for Scholes to scupper the deal because he is bitter & twisted, hence our position now. TP resigned that January only for Peter to persuade him to stay until the end of the season. As I have said a million times, Hughes then dined out on the Pulis core, the spine & a decade of hard graft but once the spine such as Huth, Whelan, Walters Wilson left he (as I predicted from day 1) was never, ever going to build his own spine because he was not capable of doing so , never was, never will be and hey presto it all started to crumble. To this day I will maintain that hjad after Hughes was sacked, if Peter had got his wish TP would have returned and he would have fucking well saved us. Likewise this last appointment whilst reasonably ok, Peter wanted TP........WE are down full stop & Scholes needs to get out of our club & John Coates needs to sell programmes. I could go on & on & on but I'm drained with this shit show of a football club. Not sure I understand, sorry... So if TP has signed Ince in 2013, widely regarded as not good enough in the Championship now, things would’ve been hunky dory? We didn’t need Dann and Joe Ledley sure as shit wouldn’t have solved any of the problems we had at that time. Why are you lauding being 8th at Christmas as an achievement but dismissing actually finishing 9th in the final table? If Hughes was only ‘dining out’ on Pulis’ spine, why did Pulis himself never finish as high as he did? |
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the buck stops with them they employ these idiots it is their responsibility end of.
