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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 12:53:45 GMT
You expect busy businessmen to spend all day long "watching everything that everyone does"...that is a very novel idea but it's never going to happen. Well something needs to happen because the "process" they are currently reliant on is a total utter sack of shit. I think we can probably both agree on that. Why don't you tender a speculative application saying you know everything that needs to be done and you are happy working 24 hours a day without getting paid?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 12:59:51 GMT
Well something needs to happen because the "process" they are currently reliant on is a total utter sack of shit. I think we can probably both agree on that. Why don't you tender a speculative application saying you know everything that needs to be done and you are happy working 24 hours a day without getting paid? Or if I was the owner of the club I would get management consultants in to give a full frank and honest assessment of why the 30th wealthiest football club has gone from the premiership onto a juggernaut to the lower leagues. Then when the truth is out there I would get a proper senior management team in to sort it fucking out. Because JC and Scholes are obviously well out of their depth and are now dangerous to the long term health of the club. Not sure why you are trying to pick this apart really. Its obvious massive internal change is required.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 8, 2019 13:08:12 GMT
And so the question remains how have the senior management allowed nigh on 100m spent with no right winger and zero pace in the entire squad? The problem is most certainly upstairs with Stoke. Its not even an argument anymore. Ince is a right winger. Is he??? Is he really???
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 8, 2019 13:23:11 GMT
Definitely time to change the team and MON has pretty tty much said that post game.
First goal. Woods nowhere near his man on edge of box.
Second goal. Edwards beaten in air at bak post, no left back near the goalscorer on the near post.
As MON said we didnt win enough second balls in the midfield.. Thats Allen and woods out...hopefully
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 8, 2019 13:25:40 GMT
Definitely time to change the team and MON has pretty tty much said that post game. First goal. Woods nowhere near his man on edge of box. Second goal. Edwards beaten in air at bak post, no left back near the goalscorer on the near post. As MON said we didnt win enough second balls in the midfield.. Thats Allen and woods out...hopefully Our midfield do not know what a second ball is? ...and it's been like that that for a very long time.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 8, 2019 13:27:37 GMT
Given we are struggling to create why has Mark Duffy not been given a proper run in the team? My mate is a Sheffield Utd fan and can't speak highly enough of him as an attacking midfielder. Played a massive part in their resurgence of the ladt few years.
Can't offer us any less than our current midfield incumbents ie Ince
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2019 14:20:29 GMT
It has to be 4-2-3-1. Any of our keepers Smith, ryan, batth, clucas Etebo, badou Ince (until verlinden returns), powell, McLean Diouf Duffy for ince but bob on. Would never want ince play for the club again he boils my piss, if he had 1/5 of his old man's balls he would be some player. Duffy is an odd one. What bits we've seen of him he looks like a player. Hes the only player in squad used to winning games yet he doesn't get a look in...so much so, when picking my 11, I'd forgotten about him
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 16:42:20 GMT
Why don't you tender a speculative application saying you know everything that needs to be done and you are happy working 24 hours a day without getting paid? Or if I was the owner of the club I would get management consultants in to give a full frank and honest assessment of why the 30th wealthiest football club has gone from the premiership onto a juggernaut to the lower leagues. Then when the truth is out there I would get a proper senior management team in to sort it fucking out. Because JC and Scholes are obviously well out of their depth and are now dangerous to the long term health of the club. Not sure why you are trying to pick this apart really. Its obvious massive internal change is required. Because you must know that that isn't going to happen. So all your suggestions is just pissing in the wind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 16:44:26 GMT
Definitely time to change the team and MON has pretty tty much said that post game. Except that is exactly what he said after the Blacburn game...
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Post by loosestools on Dec 8, 2019 16:53:27 GMT
Or if I was the owner of the club I would get management consultants in to give a full frank and honest assessment of why the 30th wealthiest football club has gone from the premiership onto a juggernaut to the lower leagues. Then when the truth is out there I would get a proper senior management team in to sort it fucking out. Because JC and Scholes are obviously well out of their depth and are now dangerous to the long term health of the club. Not sure why you are trying to pick this apart really. Its obvious massive internal change is required. Because you must know that that isn't going to happen. So all your suggestions is just pissing in the wind. As much as I loathe and despise management consultants I thick Mickey makes a good point. Management consultants usually cost a fortune to state the bleeding obvious. but if the Board are prepared to abide by the outcomes it is an option, however, sometimes the truth hurts and may they don't want to know it.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 17:06:51 GMT
Or if I was the owner of the club I would get management consultants in to give a full frank and honest assessment of why the 30th wealthiest football club has gone from the premiership onto a juggernaut to the lower leagues. Then when the truth is out there I would get a proper senior management team in to sort it fucking out. Because JC and Scholes are obviously well out of their depth and are now dangerous to the long term health of the club. Not sure why you are trying to pick this apart really. Its obvious massive internal change is required. Because you must know that that isn't going to happen. So all your suggestions is just pissing in the wind. Then its a case of full on surrender and sit quietly while they finish dismantling the club. You are quite probably right and my protestations on here mean zero. Fair enough. What a sad state of affairs that all we get to discuss on here nowadays is how shit the club is and how the fuck its all happened. And none of us can even agree on that because of the shocking state of the club and the lack of communication to the fans. Desperate fucking times . I know of several long time Stoke fans who have literally given up following the club, my own brother being one of em. The club is in an existential crisis and the club are not taking it nearly seriously enough and we should be very concerned.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 8, 2019 17:17:10 GMT
I think that they know exactly what the situation is. How we got here is an amazing piece of bad chemistry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 17:20:46 GMT
Because you must know that that isn't going to happen. So all your suggestions is just pissing in the wind. Then its a case of full on surrender and sit quietly while they finish dismantling the club. You are quite probably right and my protestations on here mean zero. Fair enough. What a sad state of affairs that all we get to discuss on here nowadays is how shit the club is and how the fuck its all happened. And none of us can even agree on that because of the shocking state of the club and the lack of communication to the fans. Desperate fucking times . I know of several long time Stoke fans who have literally given up following the club, my own brother being one of em. The club is in an existential crisis and the club are not taking it nearly seriously enough and we should be very concerned. I imagine they will say that they have all been here before and they were able to work it all out in the end of some dire times. The difference, of course, is that that was then and times have moved and changed and then is not now. Wish we vould look in the crystal ball and say exactly where we are ten years from now but of course we can't.
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Post by rawli on Dec 8, 2019 18:00:04 GMT
And so the question remains how have the senior management allowed nigh on 100m spent with no right winger and zero pace in the entire squad? The problem is most certainly upstairs with Stoke. Its not even an argument anymore. Ince is a right winger. Is he fuck. He's a player who plays on the right wing
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Post by rawli on Dec 8, 2019 18:05:40 GMT
I'm not totally against what you say but didn't Sparky create our best three top division finishes. I just think we dropped three enormous bollocks with wimmer, berahino and Imbula and then employed two toss managers... simples. I give zero fucks about 9th place finishes when the environment he created has put us on the brink of a return to the 3rd tier. The guy is a charlatan and a wanker. The 'process' did that. Failing to back him to get the right players then allowing to buy last minute over priced shite cost us. Then failing to see he had taken us as far as he could cost us. Blame the clowns upstairs.
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Post by rawli on Dec 8, 2019 18:09:24 GMT
Because you must know that that isn't going to happen. So all your suggestions is just pissing in the wind. As much as I loathe and despise management consultants I thick Mickey makes a good point. Management consultants usually cost a fortune to state the bleeding obvious. but if the Board are prepared to abide by the outcomes it is an option, however, sometimes the truth hurts and may they don't want to know it. Billionaires don't take kindly to having the finger of blame pointed at them. They become immune to criticism so look to blame others. In our case it's the managers who carry the can.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 8, 2019 18:15:13 GMT
As much as I loathe and despise management consultants I thick Mickey makes a good point. Management consultants usually cost a fortune to state the bleeding obvious. but if the Board are prepared to abide by the outcomes it is an option, however, sometimes the truth hurts and may they don't want to know it. Billionaires don't take kindly to having the finger of blame pointed at them. They become immune to criticism so look to blame others. In our case it's the managers who carry the can. Exactly. How can they be wrong when they have made billions? Pity they have not moved on in the rapidly changing world of football club ownership
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 18:22:00 GMT
I give zero fucks about 9th place finishes when the environment he created has put us on the brink of a return to the 3rd tier. The guy is a charlatan and a wanker. The 'process' did that. Failing to back him to get the right players then allowing to buy last minute over priced shite cost us. Then failing to see he had taken us as far as he could cost us. Blame the clowns upstairs. Oh I blame those idiots upstairs too. Don't worry about that.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 8, 2019 19:46:37 GMT
Is he fuck. He's a player who plays on the right wing Ok. He's a right winger who cant play right wing 😁
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Post by silverdollar on Dec 8, 2019 21:35:58 GMT
It is very difficult to pick a team for Tuesday with any confidence. I'm afraid I will not be attending. My heart is bleeding! I'd be going with a 4-4-2: Frederici Carter-Vickers, Shawcross, Batth, Indi Diouf, Etebo, NDiaye, Clucas Gregory, Hogan
So sad!
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 9, 2019 18:07:58 GMT
That's a fair question. Thread title should've been "Time to bring some balance to the formation". An isolated striker and a packed midfield means we won't score the goals we need and the team will inevitably be more comfortable going sideways and backwards.
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Post by lordb on Dec 9, 2019 18:12:14 GMT
Play 4-2-3-1. That’s the formation the squad suits, it has done for as long as I can remember yet manager after manager refuses to play it. Because none of our strikers can play on their own except Gregory who doesn't score. And because the number ten is injured too often And because Ince would play
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