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Jul 23, 2020 9:45:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:45:54 GMT
At the moment he's highly rated by a club whose record transfer fee paid is less than a million, and not many others. We can't magically make teams want to stump up £3m for him...... He’s a very good Championship player and the league will know that. Keep him and use him or sell him. We don't need to use him, he's not required. Get him off the wage bill in line with FFP if no one wants to spend £3m on him, and move on......
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Jul 23, 2020 9:46:19 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 9:46:19 GMT
FFP strikes again, can't sell him at a loss when it suits all parties so another loan it has to be, great. He’s only got a year left so that’s surely not the case?
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Jul 23, 2020 9:47:23 GMT
Post by liathroid on Jul 23, 2020 9:47:23 GMT
another loan ,why cant we ever sell a player Because loaning them is preferable to selling them for peanuts under FFP....... ok, but how do we generate money for transfers or does Peter have to burst open another pillow
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Woods
Jul 23, 2020 9:47:25 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 9:47:25 GMT
He’s a very good Championship player and the league will know that. Keep him and use him or sell him. We don't need to use him, he's not required. Get him off the wage bill in line with FFP if no one wants to spend £3m on him, and move on...... I disagree. Our midfield struggle to keep the ball and we only have 2 that are good enough for the Champo that play deeper and one of them is Joe Allen. That’s not good enough.
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Jul 23, 2020 9:47:58 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Jul 23, 2020 9:47:58 GMT
He’s a player that is highly rated and has done well throughout his career. There’s no way this should be the only way. At the moment he's highly rated by a club whose record transfer fee paid is less than a million, and not many others. We can't magically make teams want to stump up £3m for him...... Maybe Brentford would want him back for half the fee we gave later in the summer as I think several of their players will be picked by bigger clubs. As said I wouldn't loan him out without a loan fee of at least £1.5M. It's ridiculous how we keep giving players away for nothing! I guess it's partly down to how FFP works, but FFS!
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Post by apb1 on Jul 23, 2020 9:48:20 GMT
How many more have only 1 year left on contracts? Not many others next season , worryingly (if it's confirmed that Woods is) Just Butland, Shawcross and Gregory. Possibly Afobe too? The length of the Woods and Afobe deals weren't announced. GK:(Federici 2020) Butland 2021 Bursik 2023 Davies Unknown RB:Smith 2022 Bauer 2022 Edwards 2024 LB:(Ward 2020) Tymon 2022 CB:(Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown CM:Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Woods Unknown (2021?) Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown RW:Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022 LW:McClean 2022 STR:(Diouf 2020) Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown This might help fill in unknowns, not sure if it's reliable? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stoke-city/kader/verein/512/saison_id/2019/plus/1
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Jul 23, 2020 9:49:48 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2020 9:49:48 GMT
He’s a player that is highly rated and has done well throughout his career. There’s no way this should be the only way. At the moment he's highly rated by a club whose record transfer fee paid is less than a million, and not many others. We can't magically make teams want to stump up £3m for him...... Jeez - that Millwall record fee is astonishing. They're still stuck in the days when our record was Sammy Bang. I was sceptical of Millwall putting down what we'd want, but I just assumed they could stretch to £3mish given how Rowett was gushing over him. We'll have to wait and see how the post-Corona market develops.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:51:26 GMT
We don't need to use him, he's not required. Get him off the wage bill in line with FFP if no one wants to spend £3m on him, and move on...... I disagree. Our midfield struggle to keep the ball and we only have 2 that are good enough for the Champo that play deeper and one of them is Joe Allen. That’s not good enough. Woods idea of possession is a 2 yard sideways pass or one to his centre half. He's a complete momentum killer, takes two touches when one will do.........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 9:54:28 GMT
I disagree. Our midfield struggle to keep the ball and we only have 2 that are good enough for the Champo that play deeper and one of them is Joe Allen. That’s not good enough. Woods idea of possession is a 2 yard sideways pass or one to his centre half. He's a complete momentum killer, takes two touches when one will do......... What’s wrong with that? No, the killer is the lack of any movement ahead of him.
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Jul 23, 2020 9:54:33 GMT
Post by thisisouryear on Jul 23, 2020 9:54:33 GMT
He's obviously a decent player at this level but I don't see the point in loaning him to a rival club. They should either buy him or he goes somewhere else outside the championship. Gets him off the wage bill Gets a moaning player out of the training ground The alternative is keep him and play him. Having seen him play a couple of good games immediately followed by more abject ones repeatedly I don't want him to stay. Millwall were challenging for the playoffs this season so you would expect another big effort next season. I just feel we are helping them and hindering ourselves. Imagine if we get pipped to the final play off position by Millwall because of Woods playing a huge part all season after being loaned to them by us. I would say put him on the market and leave it till deadline day if needed. Millwall won't find many players with his quality will they? On his day he's a big player in any team. How good is their Keeper? We should try other methods before loaning him out.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 23, 2020 9:54:38 GMT
At the moment he's highly rated by a club whose record transfer fee paid is less than a million, and not many others. We can't magically make teams want to stump up £3m for him...... Jeez - that Millwall record fee is astonishing. They're still stuck in the days when our record was Sammy Bang. I was sceptical of Millwall putting down what we'd want, but I just assumed they could stretch to £3mish given how Rowett was gushing over him. We'll have to wait and see how the post-Corona market develops. penny wise Millwall pound foolish Stoke
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Jul 23, 2020 10:00:37 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 10:00:37 GMT
Jeez - that Millwall record fee is astonishing. They're still stuck in the days when our record was Sammy Bang. I was sceptical of Millwall putting down what we'd want, but I just assumed they could stretch to £3mish given how Rowett was gushing over him. We'll have to wait and see how the post-Corona market develops. penny wise Millwall pound foolish StokePresumably we’re going to get McNair on loan for two seasons and won’t bid 3/4m or more for him.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 10:03:22 GMT
Woods idea of possession is a 2 yard sideways pass or one to his centre half. He's a complete momentum killer, takes two touches when one will do......... What’s wrong with that? No, the killer is the lack of any movement ahead of him. You could have 3 members of the Kirov Ballet Company up front, he never lifts his head up and looks to play forwards anyway so it's irrelevant......
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Jul 23, 2020 10:05:07 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 10:05:07 GMT
What’s wrong with that? No, the killer is the lack of any movement ahead of him. You could have 3 members of the Kirov Ballet Company up front, he never lifts his head up and looks to play forwards anyway so it's irrelevant...... He does.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 10:06:16 GMT
You could have 3 members of the Kirov Ballet Company up front, he never lifts his head up and looks to play forwards anyway so it's irrelevant...... He does. Great. I look forward to seeing him doing it at some other club then.....
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 23, 2020 10:07:01 GMT
Woods idea of possession is a 2 yard sideways pass or one to his centre half. He's a complete momentum killer, takes two touches when one will do......... What’s wrong with that? No, the killer is the lack of any movement ahead of him. Surely that problem also impacts our existing midfield? Woods can only go one way, never looks left, cant tackle or run particularly well. Even out of position at CDM, Joe Allen is streets ahead of him. No place for Woods
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Jul 23, 2020 10:08:35 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 23, 2020 10:08:35 GMT
Do a deal for Jed Wallace! In my dreams of course. Fair play to Rowett, he's taken a team of nobodies and fashioned them into a tough team to beat. I can't see them continuing that next season and you'd have to hope someone might offer good money for some of their players which might enable them to bring Woods in for something approaching £3m.
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Jul 23, 2020 10:08:52 GMT
Post by liathroid on Jul 23, 2020 10:08:52 GMT
penny wise Millwall pound foolish StokePresumably we’re going to get McNair on loan for two seasons and won’t bid 3/4m or more for him..... maybe Millwall are paying all his wages and no loan fee ,Middlesbourgh will sell cant see them doing 2 seasons
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Jul 23, 2020 10:53:34 GMT
Post by TheMmaeestro on Jul 23, 2020 10:53:34 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 23, 2020 10:59:24 GMT
We can't surely just be loaning him out without some form of payment too. He has got to be worth 1 - 1.5M on top of Millwall paying his wages.
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Jul 23, 2020 11:07:19 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2020 11:07:19 GMT
Presumably we’re going to get McNair on loan for two seasons and won’t bid 3/4m or more for him..... maybe Millwall are paying all his wages and no loan fee ,Middlesbourgh will sell cant see them doing 2 seasons I was be facaetious tbh. Surely if there's a lack of money we won't spend 2-5m on McNair? (I fully expect us to and I find the reasoning behind Woods bullshit ).
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Jul 23, 2020 11:14:00 GMT
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Post by neddy on Jul 23, 2020 11:14:00 GMT
How many more have only 1 year left on contracts? Not many others next season , worryingly (if it's confirmed that Woods is) Just Butland, Shawcross and Gregory. Possibly Afobe too? The length of the Woods and Afobe deals weren't announced. GK:(Federici 2020) Butland 2021 Bursik 2023 Davies Unknown RB:Smith 2022 Bauer 2022 Edwards 2024 LB:(Ward 2020) Tymon 2022 CB:(Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown CM:Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Woods Unknown (2021?) Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown RW:Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022 LW:McClean 2022 STR:(Diouf 2020) Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown Thanks FM I’m struggling to see any sold fees really!
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Jul 23, 2020 11:16:00 GMT
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 23, 2020 11:16:00 GMT
Such bad business if we've just loaned him out again to a team that will be around us next season.
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Woods
Jul 23, 2020 11:25:46 GMT
Post by marylandstoke on Jul 23, 2020 11:25:46 GMT
Because loaning them is preferable to selling them for peanuts under FFP....... ok, but how do we generate money for transfers or does Peter have to burst open another pillow The cushions are off the sofa as we speak.
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Jul 23, 2020 11:31:28 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Jul 23, 2020 11:31:28 GMT
We will be definitely paying a proportion of his wages.
There is no way Millwall can afford his whole wage.
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Jul 23, 2020 11:33:44 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 23, 2020 11:33:44 GMT
Woods idea of possession is a 2 yard sideways pass or one to his centre half. He's a complete momentum killer, takes two touches when one will do......... What’s wrong with that? No, the killer is the lack of any movement ahead of him. Why move when the pass isn't going to come?
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Jul 23, 2020 11:35:26 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 11:35:26 GMT
What’s wrong with that? No, the killer is the lack of any movement ahead of him. Why move when the pass isn't going to come? Someone will come along soon and mention that it's because he's on a different wavelength to the other players.....
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Post by lordb on Jul 23, 2020 11:36:19 GMT
Gets him off the wage bill Gets a moaning player out of the training ground The alternative is keep him and play him. Having seen him play a couple of good games immediately followed by more abject ones repeatedly I don't want him to stay. Millwall were challenging for the playoffs this season so you would expect another big effort next season. I just feel we are helping them and hindering ourselves. Imagine if we get pipped to the final play off position by Millwall because of Woods playing a huge part all season after being loaned to them by us. I would say put him on the market and leave it till deadline day if needed. Millwall won't find many players with his quality will they? On his day he's a big player in any team. How good is their Keeper? We should try other methods before loaning him out. Given the deal is being done early at least suggests the loan fee is reasonable and the proportion of wages they are paying is high. This is Scholes though...
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Jul 23, 2020 11:36:57 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Jul 23, 2020 11:36:57 GMT
Makes sense playing for a manager who signed him here and rates him highly. He's a decent player if used correctly.
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Jul 23, 2020 11:41:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 11:41:01 GMT
Why move when the pass isn't going to come? Someone will come along soon and mention that it's because he's on a different wavelength to the other players..... He's 26, not 17. That excuse doesn't wash over the age of 20...
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