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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 9, 2020 20:58:23 GMT
He's certainly on dodgy ground if recent history is anything to go by. The thoroughly expendable going up against the clearly unsackable.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 9, 2020 20:59:52 GMT
Fair play to him, a man not afraid to speak his mind.
I really hope he stays and boots most of the wastrels out
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:00:36 GMT
He's certainly on dodgy ground if recent history is anything to go by. The thoroughly expendable going up against the clearly unsackable. I don't see how he can criticise the transfer policy when all three of his signings are out of the side - with two of them being kept out of the side by a free transfer from QPR signed by a manager that had us rooted to the bottom of the league! There's dodgy ground and there's dodgy ground!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:08:17 GMT
He's certainly on dodgy ground if recent history is anything to go by. The thoroughly expendable going up against the clearly unsackable. I don't see how he can criticise the transfer policy when all three of his signings are out of the side - with two of them being kept out of the side by a free transfer from QPR signed by a manager that had us rooted to the bottom of the league! There's dodgy ground and there's dodgy ground! A young lad on a free, a bargain basement signing from Blackpool and a loan signing in no way compares to what went on before......
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Post by Jimm on Jul 9, 2020 21:30:47 GMT
What a stupid fucking questiong, Michael is there any positives from tonight? fuck me
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 9, 2020 22:11:23 GMT
What a stupid fucking questiong, Michael is there any positives from tonight? fuck me the only fucking positive is that games are only 90 mins long
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 9, 2020 22:29:37 GMT
About bloody time we have a manager that does pipe up about this shit fest that lies in front of him. This club have had too many managers who have sucked up and spouted they are delighted to work for such wonderful owners in this really well run club. Well it isnt is it really, I want mon to ruffle feathers and question the process at this club. In the last 3 years we have sunk like a shit filled vessel. Enough is enough, cut the shit away from that feckin boardroom. Coates family, grab your bollocks and decide just who is in charge because John every decision you have made has backfired and daddy cant trust you in charge of the goods.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 9, 2020 22:57:59 GMT
Jones is responsible for this mess by bringing in cart horses. Can’t believe how far we’ve fallen. Long time since we were a laughing stock but we are now
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 9, 2020 23:07:09 GMT
Fair play to him, a man not afraid to speak his mind. I really hope he stays and boots most of the wastrels out Again no blame on himself though, deflects straight away.
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Post by skip on Jul 9, 2020 23:10:41 GMT
Hughes and Rowett and Jones spunked Stoke up the wall, not MoN.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 9, 2020 23:11:41 GMT
Fair play to him, a man not afraid to speak his mind. I really hope he stays and boots most of the wastrels out Again no blame on himself though, deflects straight away. You can't be serious?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 9, 2020 23:16:18 GMT
Again no blame on himself though, deflects straight away. You can't be serious? Hes been the one setting up the team and he's got it wrong 4 out of 5.....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 9, 2020 23:51:14 GMT
Hes been the one setting up the team and he's got it wrong 4 out of 5..... Indeed, much better if he had said something like ... "But the problems that exist in our team, they have existed long before now. We finished 16th last season and for most of this season we have barely been out of the bottom three. So, that tells you the situation we are in. I think it is a poor reflection probably on the money that has been invested in this team. Having said all that, I have to hold my hands up ... I probably didn't make the best of that investment with my tactics tonight, all I can say, is that we'll do everything we possibly can, to make sure that collectively, we get it right on Sunday."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 23:54:14 GMT
About bloody time we have a manager that does pipe up about this shit fest that lies in front of him. This club have had too many managers who have sucked up and spouted they are delighted to work for such wonderful owners in this really well run club. Well it isnt is it really, I want mon to ruffle feathers and question the process at this club. In the last 3 years we have sunk like a shit filled vessel. Enough is enough, cut the shit away from that feckin boardroom. Coates family, grab your bollocks and decide just who is in charge because John every decision you have made has backfired and daddy cant trust you in charge of the goods. Tonight was on his awful tactics again.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 10, 2020 6:09:11 GMT
About bloody time we have a manager that does pipe up about this shit fest that lies in front of him. This club have had too many managers who have sucked up and spouted they are delighted to work for such wonderful owners in this really well run club. Well it isnt is it really, I want mon to ruffle feathers and question the process at this club. In the last 3 years we have sunk like a shit filled vessel. Enough is enough, cut the shit away from that feckin boardroom. Coates family, grab your bollocks and decide just who is in charge because John every decision you have made has backfired and daddy cant trust you in charge of the goods. Tonight was on his awful tactics again. Arguably it was working until their penalty We were the 2nd best team by a long way but frustrating Leeds His options are limited Unfortunately we shipped 5 goals, but Powell, Campbell and Maclean came through without injuries which was very important The 5th goal was a disaster however We need to score first on Sunday, although I can see us taking something from our last 3 games. ( be positive)
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Post by BristolMick on Jul 10, 2020 6:32:34 GMT
About bloody time we have a manager that does pipe up about this shit fest that lies in front of him. This club have had too many managers who have sucked up and spouted they are delighted to work for such wonderful owners in this really well run club. Well it isnt is it really, I want mon to ruffle feathers and question the process at this club. In the last 3 years we have sunk like a shit filled vessel. Enough is enough, cut the shit away from that feckin boardroom. Coates family, grab your bollocks and decide just who is in charge because John every decision you have made has backfired and daddy cant trust you in charge of the goods. Tonight was on his awful tactics again. We are a million miles behind Leeds in quality of players and whether we like it or not last night was always about damage limitation. The TACTICS were bang on to try and stop the opposition and it wasn’t the TACTICS that caused the damage. It was the utter INEPTNESS of the mistake prone plodders that he has available to him. The difference between success and failure is closely linked to how many mistakes you make and these players make countless basic unforced and pathetic mistakes like Smith did last night, and like Jester did at Luton that throws whatever TACTICS there are into the bin. MoN is bang on, recruitment has been appalling including the two players he’s signed too. BM
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2020 7:02:55 GMT
Hes been the one setting up the team and he's got it wrong 4 out of 5..... He didn't get it wrong against boro if only McLean scored half his attempts never mind the rest of the useless tossers than we would of comfortably won that one We got a point against reading Now Wigan I grant you . Now Leeds well he was stupid to belive the players were capable of thinking for themselves
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 7:19:35 GMT
Tonight was on his awful tactics again. We are a million miles behind Leeds in quality of players and whether we like it or not last night was always about damage limitation. The TACTICS were bang on to try and stop the opposition and it wasn’t the TACTICS that caused the damage. It was the utter INEPTNESS of the mistake prone plodders that he has available to him. The difference between success and failure is closely linked to how many mistakes you make and these players make countless basic unforced and pathetic mistakes like Smith did last night, and like Jester did at Luton that throws whatever TACTICS there are into the bin. MoN is bang on, recruitment has been appalling including the two players he’s signed too. BM He’s been by far the biggest issue since the resumption. Why change tactics? You play with a 4231 and win handsomely and then put the same team but in a different formation and they get hammered. How the hell isnt that on the manager? It was awful.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 7:20:34 GMT
Tonight was on his awful tactics again. Arguably it was working until their penalty We were the 2nd best team by a long way but frustrating Leeds His options are limited Unfortunately we shipped 5 goals, but Powell, Campbell and Maclean came through without injuries which was very important The 5th goal was a disaster however We need to score first on Sunday, although I can see us taking something from our last 3 games. ( be positive) His options are limited but that option generally works. Why piss around with it?
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Post by BristolMick on Jul 10, 2020 7:36:20 GMT
We are a million miles behind Leeds in quality of players and whether we like it or not last night was always about damage limitation. The TACTICS were bang on to try and stop the opposition and it wasn’t the TACTICS that caused the damage. It was the utter INEPTNESS of the mistake prone plodders that he has available to him. The difference between success and failure is closely linked to how many mistakes you make and these players make countless basic unforced and pathetic mistakes like Smith did last night, and like Jester did at Luton that throws whatever TACTICS there are into the bin. MoN is bang on, recruitment has been appalling including the two players he’s signed too. BM He’s been by far the biggest issue since the resumption. Why change tactics? You play with a 4231 and win handsomely and then put the same team but in a different formation and they get hammered. How the hell isnt that on the manager? It was awful. So Barnsley and Leeds are both the same are they? Leeds won because their players are vastly superior to ours and would beat us whatever our tactics are because our players can’t be trusted not to make numerous stupid and unforced mistakes. It’s as simple as that. BM
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 7:39:35 GMT
He’s been by far the biggest issue since the resumption. Why change tactics? You play with a 4231 and win handsomely and then put the same team but in a different formation and they get hammered. How the hell isnt that on the manager? It was awful. So Barnsley and Leeds are both the same are they? Leeds won because their players are vastly superior to ours and would beat us whatever our tactics are because our players can’t be trusted not to make numerous stupid and unforced mistakes. It’s as simple as that. BM No they wouldn’t. This league anyone can beat anyone. We play best in a 4231, why piss around with that? There was no need for it. And no they can’t so why put them in an unfamiliar shape they’re not used to? Awful management!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 7:43:26 GMT
So Barnsley and Leeds are both the same are they? Leeds won because their players are vastly superior to ours and would beat us whatever our tactics are because our players can’t be trusted not to make numerous stupid and unforced mistakes. It’s as simple as that. BM No they wouldn’t. This league anyone can beat anyone. We play best in a 4231, why piss around with that? There was no need for it. And no they can’t so why put them in an unfamiliar shape they’re not used to? Awful management! Yep, it makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 7:45:54 GMT
No they wouldn’t. This league anyone can beat anyone. We play best in a 4231, why piss around with that? There was no need for it. And no they can’t so why put them in an unfamiliar shape they’re not used to? Awful management! Yep, it makes absolutely no sense. I honestly wouldn't have been arsed if he had made 11 changes yesterday. But putting the players out he did yesterday there's no way that should have been wasted in a back 3 trying to contain job. It should have been the 4231 on the front font and having a go. Attacking wise they are good enough to bloody teams noses if they fancy it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 7:49:28 GMT
The fact that we've sacked four managers in quick succession probably makes some people forget that we are, essentially, not a sacking club. The board held on to Jones for far too long, not because they thought so great of him, but because they really wanted to avoid letting another man go, and because they know, as we all do, that 3 men's different signings don't make a beautiful squad. The fact that we lost 5-0 against the league leaders is hardly a sacking offense. Nor is telling the press (and by extension, the board, the players, and the supporters) exactly how bad it is. If there's a problem with what O'Neill is saying, it's that he is, indirectly or very directly, saying that the squad needs at least 10 new players, if he's to make a go of things. He's probably right, but because of the recent past, we simply can't buy that many again.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 10, 2020 9:41:43 GMT
Hes been the one setting up the team and he's got it wrong 4 out of 5..... He didn't get it wrong against boro if only McLean scored half his attempts never mind the rest of the useless tossers than we would of comfortably won that one We got a point against reading Now Wigan I grant you . Now Leeds well he was stupid to belive the players were capable of thinking for themselves We got a point against Reading because we had to throw everything at it in the last few mins because he'd got it wrong. When you say players thinking for themselves, do you mean ignoring the manager or are you on about the peno? The peno that was a small (very stupid) problem compared to rest of it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2020 9:51:07 GMT
And so the cracks emerge and we all know who will win out ,
Can’t say it’s the worst thing the blokes transfer record is either non existent or appalling so he’s not the man to oversee a overhaul of a £200m squad . Assuming Scholes wins the game of blame its mind boggling who he and JC will see as the right man but may be just may be they wont get to choose
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Post by cdlstoke on Jul 10, 2020 10:14:02 GMT
The fact that we've sacked four managers in quick succession probably makes some people forget that we are, essentially, not a sacking club. The board held on to Jones for far too long, not because they thought so great of him, but because they really wanted to avoid letting another man go, and because they know, as we all do, that 3 men's different signings don't make a beautiful squad. The fact that we lost 5-0 against the league leaders is hardly a sacking offense. Nor is telling the press (and by extension, the board, the players, and the supporters) exactly how bad it is. If there's a problem with what O'Neill is saying, it's that he is, indirectly or very directly, saying that the squad needs at least 10 new players, if he's to make a go of things. He's probably right, but because of the recent past, we simply can't buy that many again. Well going off his Thompson and Chester signings, would you trust O’Neil to bring in players? I’m not convinced. Some big decisions at the end of the season for the club as a whole.
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Post by neddy on Jul 10, 2020 10:18:31 GMT
I think it’s harsh to judge his signings as I guess we were at the limits re ffp? We couldn’t sing Brunt unless Indi left?
Oakley Booth is just a kiddie for the future so in my mind doesn’t count...he took Thompson early in the window so guess again a very cheap hit! And Chester well I think he was the one they all thought would have turned out better but seems since his injury he has not found any form?
In hindsight we probably just taken Brunt and moved Indi at centre half?
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Post by blackpoolred on Jul 10, 2020 10:30:26 GMT
Hughes and Rowett and Jones spunked Stoke up the wall, not MoN. But he seems to have clearly lost the dressing room, his tactics have been bizarre since our return and another manager playing players out of their prefered positions. I think he shat himself a little bit last night - has to be braver than that - we did not create a solitary goal attempt
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 10, 2020 10:34:13 GMT
I think he was absolutely spot on with what he said. The game was all about difference of class, much like L'Pool and Man City against the rest in The Prem. It's taken Bielsa two years to create that side and they were, without doubt, the best team we've played this season. But the downside to me was the way we lost against a better team. Giving away that stupid penalty was the lift they needed after we'd defended doggedly throughout the first half. 2nd Half they just steam rollered us off the park and their finishing was clinical. At the end I was glad it was only 5 goals we shipped. They could have had more.
As for the future... if Michael can keep us up he'll need quite a while to get things right. The club is a terrible mess and there isn't a manager in the country who can do anything with us overnight. He does get some things wrong with his tactics but those things he does wrong are magnified many times by how the players perform. I'm just hoping he doesn't throw his arms up in the air and walk away thinking there's nothing he can do here.
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