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Post by gingerninja on Jul 10, 2020 10:43:59 GMT
That's my concern OS, only consolation is that I would think he was aware of alot of these issues before agreeing to sign. I believe he is on a massive wedge if he keeps up us, he could take this, have enhanced his reputation and move on to a far less decisive club?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 11:01:19 GMT
The fact that we've sacked four managers in quick succession probably makes some people forget that we are, essentially, not a sacking club. The board held on to Jones for far too long, not because they thought so great of him, but because they really wanted to avoid letting another man go, and because they know, as we all do, that 3 men's different signings don't make a beautiful squad. The fact that we lost 5-0 against the league leaders is hardly a sacking offense. Nor is telling the press (and by extension, the board, the players, and the supporters) exactly how bad it is. If there's a problem with what O'Neill is saying, it's that he is, indirectly or very directly, saying that the squad needs at least 10 new players, if he's to make a go of things. He's probably right, but because of the recent past, we simply can't buy that many again. Well going off his Thompson and Chester signings, would you trust O’Neil to bring in players? I’m not convinced. Some big decisions at the end of the season for the club as a whole. Options are limited in winter windows, especially if you're bottom of the table as were. It's the summer window that you judge managers on. However I wouldn't trust him with £50M of my hard earned money. Managers in general don't have the business acumen to work with that sort of money and be accountable. I'd tell him he should buy 3 decent players for between £10-15M (if we're still Championship) £5M if we're L1. The rest of the squad, if he wants new players, have to come from the academy. Not everyone at the same time, but he has to further develop them over the remaining years of his contract.
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Post by cdlstoke on Jul 10, 2020 11:15:01 GMT
Well going off his Thompson and Chester signings, would you trust O’Neil to bring in players? I’m not convinced. Some big decisions at the end of the season for the club as a whole. Options are limited in winter windows, especially if you're bottom of the table as were. It's the summer window that you judge managers on. However I wouldn't trust him with £50M of my hard earned money. Managers in general don't have the business acumen to work with that sort of money and be accountable. I'd tell him he should buy 3 decent players for between £10-15M (if we're still Championship) £5M if we're L1. The rest of the squad, if he wants new players, have to come from the academy. Not everyone at the same time, but he has to further develop them over the remaining years of his contract. I agree he would of been limited, but Thompson couldn’t get in a poor Blackpool side. Then there’s been linked with several Scottish players? O’Neil still learning his trade in English league football and I’m not sure it’s what we need? Can’t see us just getting rid of players when they have contracts. God knows what’s going happen as the more you think about it the worse it looks. Frightening the state were in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 12:35:04 GMT
Options are limited in winter windows, especially if you're bottom of the table as were. It's the summer window that you judge managers on. However I wouldn't trust him with £50M of my hard earned money. Managers in general don't have the business acumen to work with that sort of money and be accountable. I'd tell him he should buy 3 decent players for between £10-15M (if we're still Championship) £5M if we're L1. The rest of the squad, if he wants new players, have to come from the academy. Not everyone at the same time, but he has to further develop them over the remaining years of his contract. I agree he would of been limited, but Thompson couldn’t get in a poor Blackpool side. Then there’s been linked with several Scottish players? O’Neil still learning his trade in English league football and I’m not sure it’s what we need? Can’t see us just getting rid of players when they have contracts. God knows what’s going happen as the more you think about it the worse it looks. Frightening the state were in. I don't know how much is fact or fiction with those Scottish rumours. I think often the lazy journos think along the lines of 'he lives in Scotland and so he must want to sign Scottish players. So who do "we" think he will sign', and those deliberations then become factual in their minds. Thatnotwithstanding it wouldn't hurt if we signed some good scottish talent. I honestly think you're underestimating how much time O'Neill has spent scouting his own NI players, and in the process making private notes of other players that he liked that he might one day sign or have a club playing against, because I think he for quite some time knew that he would eventually end up managing a decent club. I think his knowledge is superior to what Bielsa or Klopp had of British players when they were appointed. Signing Thompson might not have been top of his list, but having gone through January struggling to bring anyone to the club, he will have thought of his personal contacts and knowledge and then Scott came up. I don't really know anything about him myself, but consider this; if he had been a Blackpool key player or even first team regular, we would not have been able to sign him. Sometimes you have to look at out of favour players and think maybe they could do well for us. Maybe in time he will, maybe not. It's been suggested (by whom I've forgotten) that Chester probably wasn't his signing. Of course he will claim it was, as it would otherwise undermine his authority, but JC had been wanted by Stoke for quite a while. When it looked like he might be available, someone in the office remembered him. Again you have to remember it might have been possible that no other player was willing to join. I think it's a very poor signing. If we'd believed in Collins and given him games to establish himself in the team, a lot fo what happened yesterday or over the past 20 games might not have happened, of course that's easy to say. But instead O'Neill or any future Stoke manager will look at the Leeds game and say he's not good enough.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2020 18:40:58 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2020 18:46:44 GMT
"Is there anything you can change before the end of the season?" "No, I can't change the personnel"
"Is that what needs to be changed?" "Well, if you finish 16th, then you're fighting in the bottom 3, I don't think you need me to tell you that, to be honest"
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Post by thisfootballclub on Jul 10, 2020 18:50:36 GMT
"Is there anything you can change before the end of the season?" "No, I can't change the personnel" "Is that what needs to be changed?" "Well, if you finish 16th, then you're fighting in the bottom 3, I don't think you need me to tell you that, to be honest" The personnel some fans would start with would be John Coates and Tony Scholes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 18:52:29 GMT
"Is there anything you can change before the end of the season?" "No, I can't change the personnel" "Is that what needs to be changed?" "Well, if you finish 16th, then you're fighting in the bottom 3, I don't think you need me to tell you that, to be honest" I understand his frustration, and I understand that it is growing but he really has to be careful here with this lot. They'd knife their own grannies to escape a bit of blame. We've all seen it first hand and with what is happening at Millwall and Luton with our ex managers, it pretty much confirms it. The future of this football club is at stake and he really does have to do everything in his power to keep this lot onside and 'firing' (no laughing at the back) until the end of the season, then he can do what he wants with any of them - ranging from a giant water cannon to a red hot poker in the rectum.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 10, 2020 18:57:11 GMT
"Is there anything you can change before the end of the season?" "No, I can't change the personnel" "Is that what needs to be changed?" "Well, if you finish 16th, then you're fighting in the bottom 3, I don't think you need me to tell you that, to be honest" I understand his frustration, and I understand that it is growing but he really has to be careful here with this lot. They'd knife their own grannies to escape a bit of blame. We've all seen it first hand and with what is happening at Millwall and Luton with our ex managers, it pretty much confirms it. The future of this football club is at stake and he really does have to do everything in his power to keep this lot onside and 'firing' (no laughing at the back) until the end of the season, then he can do what he wants with any of them - ranging from a giant water cannon to a red hot poker in the rectum. This is a massive concern. He managed it tremendously well for Barnsley and for 42 mins yesterday. I’ve a big concern that the law of diminishing returns sets in here and we get a half arsed half interested display from this shower on Sunday. I’m not sure my heart or head can take it The Clubs status is dependent or whether the footballing equivalent of Dr Heckyl or Mr Hyde turns up. Ffs!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 19:03:02 GMT
I understand his frustration, and I understand that it is growing but he really has to be careful here with this lot. They'd knife their own grannies to escape a bit of blame. We've all seen it first hand and with what is happening at Millwall and Luton with our ex managers, it pretty much confirms it. The future of this football club is at stake and he really does have to do everything in his power to keep this lot onside and 'firing' (no laughing at the back) until the end of the season, then he can do what he wants with any of them - ranging from a giant water cannon to a red hot poker in the rectum. This is a massive concern. He managed it tremendously well for Barnsley and for 42 mins yesterday. I’ve a big concern that the law of diminishing returns sets in here and we get a half arsed half interested display from this shower on Sunday. I’m not sure my heart or head can take it The Clubs status is dependent or whether the footballing equivalent of Dr Heckyl or Mr Hyde turns up. Ffs!!!!! He's been turning on the players on and off since the Boro game. It's all on this thread. I sensed a huge change in his attitude after that game. Football management isn't all about the hairdryer just because the fans like or want to hear it. With this lot it's all about child psychology. Hug them until they can't be hugged no more and when you can, bin them off and don't look back.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 10, 2020 19:08:30 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 10, 2020 19:14:04 GMT
Sentinel saying Chester “didn’t cover himself in glory”, against Leeds
That’s gotta be candidate for euphemism of the year!!!!!
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jul 10, 2020 19:41:58 GMT
This is a massive concern. He managed it tremendously well for Barnsley and for 42 mins yesterday. I’ve a big concern that the law of diminishing returns sets in here and we get a half arsed half interested display from this shower on Sunday. I’m not sure my heart or head can take it The Clubs status is dependent or whether the footballing equivalent of Dr Heckyl or Mr Hyde turns up. Ffs!!!!! He's been turning on the players on and off since the Boro game. It's all on this thread. I sensed a huge change in his attitude after that game. Football management isn't all about the hairdryer just because the fans like or want to hear it. With this lot it's all about child psychology. Hug them until they can't be hugged no more and when you can, bin them off and don't look back. You're right about child psychology, to the extent we are talking about a bunch of weak, fragile, half-hearted, gutless, little children. They play the role of professional footballers, but they have no professional pride, and when the going gets tough I wonder what they say in the dressing room. I wouldn't be surprised that we find out they cry out for a nappy change. MON is clearly deflated, the players clearly either can't cope or don't give a toss. At least this stinking mess will be resolved for this season, one way or another, in 360 minutes remaining. Personally, having already witnessed 2 "div 3" spells, I couldn't give a flying fuck what happens to them now. As long as we get 2 wins out of the blue. This club has virtually always been about despair and hope. Go on, flick that coin "you up there". Do your worst - the Phoenix can and will rise from the ashes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2020 15:23:40 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2020 15:25:35 GMT
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Post by datguy on Jul 12, 2020 15:28:08 GMT
Sensible summary. And rightfully praising Davies' communication.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 12, 2020 18:23:25 GMT
Butland got up the next morning with a stiff neck Was it through embarrassment
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Post by markytcd on Jul 12, 2020 23:02:24 GMT
Butland got up the next morning with a stiff neck Was it through embarrassment Conspiracy for sure...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 14, 2020 13:09:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 13:34:41 GMT
Certainly talking like a man that’s going nowhere next season.....
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Post by neddy on Jul 14, 2020 13:36:19 GMT
Really hope he gets us over the line tomorrow so the prep for next season can begin!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 15, 2020 18:46:02 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 15, 2020 18:50:41 GMT
Next seasons team is going to be built around Clucas and Powell isn't it?
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 15, 2020 18:55:01 GMT
Can people stop banging on saying we took Powell off because the manager is negative now, rather than what was always a very obvious forced change? Pretty emphatic about how much he loves Powell there.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 15, 2020 18:55:53 GMT
Next seasons team is going to be built around Clucas and Powell isn't it? As it probably should be, the only 2 senior pros worth keeping really. Although it's hard to see Clucas banging them in at the same rate again, surely?
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Post by redstriper on Jul 15, 2020 18:56:02 GMT
Top man, our most likeable manager since boskamp
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Post by skelman on Jul 15, 2020 18:58:21 GMT
2nd bottom with 8 points from 10 games when M'ON arrived, the manager has done nothing less than work a bloody miracle to get us to 50 points with 2 games left
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 15, 2020 18:59:35 GMT
No bad thing being built around those 2 Dave, they are our best players 😃
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Post by lordb on Jul 15, 2020 19:00:34 GMT
Next seasons team is going to be built around Clucas and Powell isn't it? And Allen
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 15, 2020 19:12:28 GMT
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