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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 2, 2022 9:21:19 GMT
He wasn’t though was he. He never cemented his place, he was never part of our best team and technically he was very poor. [/quote You opinion doesn’t surprise me Bayern ... you seem to have a bit of a blind spot regarding players who do the nitty gritty stuff and work for the team. Better just add this to the list of things we don’t agree about regarding SCFC 🙂 He didn’t come through the academy mate
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 2, 2022 9:23:09 GMT
And you were wrong to say he never cemented his place in the side….. No I wasn’t. He’d come in for whoever was injured or when Whelan was having a bad spell. And then be shunted out again. Like Crouch he filled the gaps a regular season provides. 09-10 he played 36 of 38 league games, 33 in the starting 11 10-11 he played 37 of 38 league games, 31 in the starting 11 Definitely shunted in and out 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2022 9:29:25 GMT
No I wasn’t. He’d come in for whoever was injured or when Whelan was having a bad spell. And then be shunted out again. Like Crouch he filled the gaps a regular season provides. 09-10 he played 36 of 38 league games, 33 in the starting 11 10-11 he played 37 of 38 league games, 31 in the starting 11 Definitely shunted in and out 😂 It always the case he was covering for someone though. Whelan for extended spell and then injuries.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 9:46:23 GMT
09-10 he played 36 of 38 league games, 33 in the starting 11 10-11 he played 37 of 38 league games, 31 in the starting 11 Definitely shunted in and out 😂 It always the case he was covering for someone though. Whelan for extended spell and then injuries. What an absolute crock of shit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2022 9:52:00 GMT
It always the case he was covering for someone though. Whelan for extended spell and then injuries. What an absolute crock of shit. He indeed he was hence why he was always in for some bugger else.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 2, 2022 9:54:06 GMT
09-10 he played 36 of 38 league games, 33 in the starting 11 10-11 he played 37 of 38 league games, 31 in the starting 11 Definitely shunted in and out 😂 It always the case he was covering for someone though. Whelan for extended spell and then injuries. Definitely covering, yeah 😂 Only Delap made more starts than Whitehead in 09-10 from the entire squad, and in 10-11 only Delap and Kenwyne Jones. During the same time Whelan came off the bench 23 times vs Whitehead’s 9 times. But you’re right, he never cemented his place.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 2, 2022 9:58:40 GMT
Whether he cemented his place or not, he was never part of our best XI. All of our best spells in the Prem came with him out of the team and if you were to compile a top 20 of our best performances of the era I don’t think he’d feature prominently in many or possibly any of those.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2022 9:59:20 GMT
It always the case he was covering for someone though. Whelan for extended spell and then injuries. Definitely covering, yeah 😂 Only Delap made more starts that Whitehead in 09-10 from the entire squad, and in 10-11 only Delap and Kenwyne Jones. During the same time Whelan came off the bench 23 times vs Whitehead’s 9 times. But you’re right, he never cemented his place. He didn’t. He was used to drop Whelan and never killed him off. All for the equivalent of a 10/12m pound player nowadays.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 2, 2022 10:07:08 GMT
Whether he cemented his place or not, he was never part of our best XI. All of our best spells in the Prem came with him out of the team and if you were to compile a top 20 of our best performances of the era I don’t think he’d feature prominently in many or possibly any of those. I thought this thread might get your attention 🤣🤣He had a great game at right back in one game I seem to remember🤔
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Post by kerouac on Jul 2, 2022 10:12:55 GMT
Awful player.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 10:14:50 GMT
Whether he cemented his place or not, he was never part of our best XI. All of our best spells in the Prem came with him out of the team and if you were to compile a top 20 of our best performances of the era I don’t think he’d feature prominently in many or possibly any of those. 2009/10Spurs (a) 1-0 Arsenal (h) 3-1 FA Cup Man City (h) 3-1 FA Cup 2010/11Liverpool (h) 2-0 Arsenal (h) 3-1 2011/12Liverpool (h) 1-0 Take your pick from the Europa League run He was certainly part of our best XI in 2009/10 and 2010/11 as he played the majority of the games, an overall best XI of course not..........
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2022 10:29:14 GMT
A much under-rated and under-valued player.
Never the most skilful or able to play the killer pass and perhaps for that reason most of his work probably went un-noticed. I can remember him winning the ball back for us v Arsenal one time simply by moving ten yards to make their ball to feet from defence that much more risky, at which point the Arsenal centreback just hoofed it upfield. Whelan and Delap both applauded him.
Stuff like that goes completely under the radar for most Stoke fans.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 2, 2022 10:35:35 GMT
Whether he cemented his place or not, he was never part of our best XI. All of our best spells in the Prem came with him out of the team and if you were to compile a top 20 of our best performances of the era I don’t think he’d feature prominently in many or possibly any of those. 2009/10Spurs (a) 1-0 Arsenal (h) 3-1 FA Cup Man City (h) 3-1 FA Cup 2010/11Liverpool (h) 2-0 Arsenal (h) 3-1 2011/12Liverpool (h) 1-0 Take your pick from the Europa League run He was certainly part of our best XI in 2009/10 and 2010/11 as he played the majority of the games, an overall best XI of course not.......... Our best performances in 2010/11 were during the spring run to the cup final where our midfield was usually Delap/Whelan. Bringing Whelan and Jones back in for the quarter final and the run thereafter were absolutely vital imo. Of that list I don’t think I’d have a single game from 09/10 or 11/12 in my list, imo they were disappointing seasons and we played our best stuff under TP in the latter half of 08/09 and 10/11. All subjective of course but the only ones from your list I’d have in mine would be the two Arsenal games.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 10:36:17 GMT
09-10 he played 36 of 38 league games, 33 in the starting 11 10-11 he played 37 of 38 league games, 31 in the starting 11 Definitely shunted in and out 😂 It always the case he was covering for someone though. Whelan for extended spell and then injuries. In 2009/10 Whelan was available throughout and Whitehead actually kept him out of the team for 5/6 games. Around the time of the Spurs away win we were lining up with Daio and Whitehead with Whelan on the bench. Bullshit said with confidence is still bullshit.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2022 10:37:53 GMT
It always the case he was covering for someone though. Whelan for extended spell and then injuries. In 2009/10 Whelan was available throughout and Whitehead actually kept him out of the team for 5/6 games. Around the time of the Spurs away win we were lining up with Daio and Whitehead with Whelan on the bench. Bullshit said with confidence is still bullshit..... Not 5 or 6 games 🤣
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 10:42:33 GMT
2009/10Spurs (a) 1-0 Arsenal (h) 3-1 FA Cup Man City (h) 3-1 FA Cup 2010/11Liverpool (h) 2-0 Arsenal (h) 3-1 2011/12Liverpool (h) 1-0 Take your pick from the Europa League run He was certainly part of our best XI in 2009/10 and 2010/11 as he played the majority of the games, an overall best XI of course not.......... Our best performances in 2010/11 were during the spring run to the cup final where our midfield was usually Delap/Whelan. Bringing Whelan and Jones back in for the quarter final and the run thereafter were absolutely vital imo. Of that list I don’t think I’d have a single game from 09/10 or 11/12 in my list, imo they were disappointing seasons and we played our best stuff under TP in the latter half of 08/09 and 10/11. All subjective of course but the only ones from your list I’d have in mine would be the two Arsenal games. In the cup absolutely, but in our run of 10 league wins from Xmas through to the League Cup final he started in 8, came on as an early sub for Ethers in the 3-0 thrashing of Wolves and a late sub in the 4-0 win against Newcastle. In fact he started in 11 of our 13 wins overall that season........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 10:46:39 GMT
In 2009/10 Whelan was available throughout and Whitehead actually kept him out of the team for 5/6 games. Around the time of the Spurs away win we were lining up with Daio and Whitehead with Whelan on the bench. Bullshit said with confidence is still bullshit..... Not 5 or 6 games 🤣 Everton a 1-1 West Ham h 2-1 Spurs a 1-0 Portsmouth h 1-0 Blackburn a 0-0 All games in October/November of that season when he benched Whelan and played with Whitehead and Diao in the centre with Etherington and Delap out wide.........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2022 10:49:17 GMT
Everton a 1-1 West Ham h 2-1 Spurs a 1-0 Portsmouth h 1-0 Blackburn a 0-0 All games in October/November of that season when he benched Whelan and played with Whitehead and Diao in the centre with Etherington and Delap out wide......... He had spells like that of keeping Whelan then Whelan would come back in. He never killed Whelan off, which was what he was bought in for.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 2, 2022 10:51:51 GMT
Our best performances in 2010/11 were during the spring run to the cup final where our midfield was usually Delap/Whelan. Bringing Whelan and Jones back in for the quarter final and the run thereafter were absolutely vital imo. Of that list I don’t think I’d have a single game from 09/10 or 11/12 in my list, imo they were disappointing seasons and we played our best stuff under TP in the latter half of 08/09 and 10/11. All subjective of course but the only ones from your list I’d have in mine would be the two Arsenal games. In the cup absolutely, but in our run of 10 league wins from Xmas through to the League Cup final he started in 8, came on as an early sub for Ethers in the 3-0 thrashing of Wolves and a late sub in the 4-0 win against Newcastle. In fact he started in 11 of our 13 wins overall that season........ We weren’t actually very good for a fair chunk of that time between Boxing Day and the quarter final though were we? There was a spell in late Jan/early Feb when we were just dire and dropping like a stone. It was the changes he made for the quarter final that really turned things around for us, including bringing in Whelan for Whitehead. That clutch of league and cup performances from the quarter final to the win over Arsenal were arguably our best in decades and Whitehead started just one of them.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 10:52:50 GMT
Everton a 1-1 West Ham h 2-1 Spurs a 1-0 Portsmouth h 1-0 Blackburn a 0-0 All games in October/November of that season when he benched Whelan and played with Whitehead and Diao in the centre with Etherington and Delap out wide......... He had spells like that of keeping Whelan then Whelan would come back in. He never killed Whelan off, which was what he was bought in for.
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Post by lordb on Jul 2, 2022 10:53:44 GMT
Whether he cemented his place or not, he was never part of our best XI. All of our best spells in the Prem came with him out of the team and if you were to compile a top 20 of our best performances of the era I don’t think he’d feature prominently in many or possibly any of those. I thought this thread might get your attention 🤣🤣He had a great game at right back in one game I seem to remember🤔 Yeah he did, then wasn't used there again
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2022 10:56:45 GMT
He had spells like that of keeping Whelan then Whelan would come back in. He never killed Whelan off, which was what he was bought in for. No it’s not. Playing 6 games in a row shows nothing hence my original reply!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 10:59:49 GMT
I next weeks episode we'll talk about how Ryan Shawcross never actually cemented a league place at Stoke and was merely covering for the retired Vince Overson and Ian Cranson.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 11:00:58 GMT
No it’s not. Playing 6 games in a row shows nothing hence my original reply! You said Whitehead only played to cover Whelan. They were both available for an equal amount of games in that season yet Whitehead played more games. Conclusion: You were wrong.
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Post by onionman on Jul 2, 2022 11:02:04 GMT
We currently have a Dean Whitehead thread and an Iain Dowie thread as the top two threads on the message board.
Anyone planning to start a thread about the Bulgarian full back from the 1994 World Cup to complete the set?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 2, 2022 11:03:42 GMT
We currently have a Dean Whitehead thread and an Iain Dowie thread as the top two threads on the message board. Anyone planning to start a thread about the Bulgarian full back from the 1994 World Cup to complete the set? The late Trifon ‘Wolfman’ Ivanov?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2022 11:05:15 GMT
No it’s not. Playing 6 games in a row shows nothing hence my original reply! You said Whitehead only played to cover Whelan. They were both available for an equal amount of games in that season yet Whitehead played more games. Conclusion: You were wrong. “Or when Whelan was having a bad spell” Which was a 6 game run like that.
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Post by onionman on Jul 2, 2022 11:05:54 GMT
We currently have a Dean Whitehead thread and an Iain Dowie thread as the top two threads on the message board. Anyone planning to start a thread about the Bulgarian full back from the 1994 World Cup to complete the set? The late Trifon ‘Wolfman’ Ivanov? Yes, the good looking one.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 2, 2022 11:17:06 GMT
You said Whitehead only played to cover Whelan. They were both available for an equal amount of games in that season yet Whitehead played more games. Conclusion: You were wrong. “Or when Whelan was having a bad spell” Which was a 6 game run like that. ".........he never cemented his place in the side and couldn’t displace a good but in the grander scheme of things an average player in Whelan from the side."
Narrator: He could. The rest of the time he didn't need to displace Whelan, as guess what they were both in the team......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2022 11:20:21 GMT
“Or when Whelan was having a bad spell” Which was a 6 game run like that. ".........he never cemented his place in the side and couldn’t displace a good but in the grander scheme of things an average player in Whelan from the side."
Narrator: He could. The rest of the time he didn't need to displace Whelan, as guess what they were both in the team...... For 6 games? We clearly have different definitions of displacing.
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