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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 23:20:36 GMT
afobe, ince, mcclean, ryan woods, cuco martina
rowett buys, now not being seen 12 months later
results were grating, but average. He talked himself out of a job and lumbered us with some very poor signings.
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Post by rawli on Oct 20, 2019 23:20:42 GMT
But Jones having a poor record doesn't make Rowett good. I disagree. He used the players way better. How is buying Afobe for mega money then playing him as a lone striker using players better? He was patently not suited to that role. Or getting Cuco the clown in on loan and refusing to play Edwards? |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 20, 2019 23:34:39 GMT
Oh man....this may be our ticket out, re: Ince and McClean!!! 🤞🏼
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 20, 2019 23:35:58 GMT
I disagree. He used the players way better. How is buying Afobe for mega money then playing him as a lone striker using players better? He was patently not suited to that role. Or getting Cuco the clown in on loan and refusing to play Edwards? He's just a wind up merchant. Just best not to bite. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 20, 2019 23:49:08 GMT
Given what he took over, given his mission statement, given the resources at his disposal, he was wank. And as I said, Jones poor record doesn't improve Rowett's. I've got my own thoughts ion why he failed but fail he did. Given the issues at the club I fully expected us to be bottom half and with less points than he would have got. Something which Jones then compounded. He failed because of the back stabbing from certain board members and sheer arrogance on big issues like Martina. His permanent signings on the whole were ok. The loans let him down. He failed because he wasn't up to the task. He wasn't what we needed. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 20, 2019 23:57:20 GMT
What utter tosh. He was cack. Oh he was poor but it’s not tosh. Anyone expecting us to finish top half was living in cloud cuckoo land. I wasn't expecting promotion but after a 50mil plus spend he should have been doing better, he was a kid in a sweet shop and spent it on a group of players that just didn't fit, in no way did he do well, saying that I think he'll do well at Millwall. |
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Post by FrankButcher on Oct 21, 2019 0:43:21 GMT
Oh man....this may be our ticket out, re: Ince and McClean!!! 🤞🏼 Do you honestly think Milwall have the money to pay for the pair of them?? I suspect rowett will be on a shoestring budget like he was at Birmingham. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 21, 2019 0:53:37 GMT
Oh man....this may be our ticket out, re: Ince and McClean!!! 🤞🏼 Do you honestly think Millwall have the money to pay for the pair of them?? I suspect rowett will be on a shoestring budget like he was at Birmingham. If his Stoke display is anything goby he might work better as a wheeler dealer than a cash splasher |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 21, 2019 1:17:18 GMT
Oh man....this may be our ticket out, re: Ince and McClean!!! 🤞🏼 Do you honestly think Milwall have the money to pay for the pair of them?? I suspect rowett will be on a shoestring budget like he was at Birmingham. Yes I do.....they've just been holding it back for such an occasion!!! Get Gary Rowett in, then give him £50M to spend on Ince and McClean!!! 👍🏼 Oh no, wait...that's us!!! 😕 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 2:12:22 GMT
He was massively better than Jones. In the end we did as well as I expected but Rowett was set to better that points expectation quite easily. Supporters who go week in week out can recognise when things look promising, that never happened under Rowett. Jones's record is terrible but there hasn't really been a moment when the support has turned against him. It maybe false hope but I do think Jones can achieve things I could never see Rowett achieving. Jones can achieve promotion from L1 that is true. Rowett would never have taken us there, so he’d made us a boring butsafe cl team. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2019 6:02:59 GMT
I disagree. He used the players way better. How is buying Afobe for mega money then playing him as a lone striker using players better? He was patently not suited to that role. Or getting Cuco the clown in on loan and refusing to play Edwards? Than how Jones used them? We won games, that’s how. And I’ve said the loans were bad 👍 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2019 6:04:20 GMT
Given the issues at the club I fully expected us to be bottom half and with less points than he would have got. Something which Jones then compounded. He failed because of the back stabbing from certain board members and sheer arrogance on big issues like Martina. His permanent signings on the whole were ok. The loans let him down. He failed because he wasn't up to the task. He wasn't what we needed. Maybe. Maybe not. I think people underestimated how shit we were though and how bad the board are. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2019 6:05:29 GMT
Oh he was poor but it’s not tosh. Anyone expecting us to finish top half was living in cloud cuckoo land. I wasn't expecting promotion but after a 50mil plus spend he should have been doing better, he was a kid in a sweet shop and spent it on a group of players that just didn't fit, in no way did he do well, saying that I think he'll do well at Millwall. Why should? Spending money guarantees you nothing. He did better than I thought we would do. That for me is doing well. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2019 6:06:39 GMT
Oh man....this may be our ticket out, re: Ince and McClean!!! 🤞🏼 Ince is an excellent Championship player. That Jones can’t get what Rowett did out of him speaks volumes re Jones. |
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Post by zerps on Oct 21, 2019 6:11:41 GMT
His tactic of thinking he’s better than all fans of the club, should go down a treat at millwall.
People are right, he’s a fucking genius. He did well to make every fan think he’s a twat, instantly.
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Post by zerps on Oct 21, 2019 6:12:05 GMT
Oh man....this may be our ticket out, re: Ince and McClean!!! 🤞🏼 Ince is an excellent Championship player. That Jones can’t get what Rowett did out of him speaks volumes re Jones. Go to bed |
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 21, 2019 6:13:55 GMT
Oh man....this may be our ticket out, re: Ince and McClean!!! 🤞🏼 Ince is an excellent Championship player. That Jones can’t get what Rowett did out of him speaks volumes re Jones. Rowett couldn’t get out of Badou what Jones has. And I know who the better player out of Badou and Ince is. |
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 21, 2019 6:22:17 GMT
The reality is that both Rowett and Jones are poor managers for different reasons. Rowett has some decent Championship experience but was very limited tactically and didn't have the intelligence to understand that messing with the fans or dissing popular players can only end one way.
Jones on the other hand has no experience of football at this level. In fact the reasons he acted like Tarzan on saturday was that beating Fulham is probably his best career achievement to date. He needs to learn fast and improve his man management in particular.
The bottom line is that Rowett on paper appeared to be a decent choice for where we were. Jones was just a stupid gamble that may well still morph into a disaster. At best with Jones we will probably be consigned to the championship for quite a few years
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Post by harryh157 on Oct 21, 2019 6:22:57 GMT
Given what he took over, given his mission statement, given the resources at his disposal, he was wank. And as I said, Jones poor record doesn't improve Rowett's. I've got my own thoughts ion why he failed but fail he did. Given the issues at the club I fully expected us to be bottom half and with less points than he would have got. Something which Jones then compounded. He failed because of the back stabbing from certain board members and sheer arrogance on big issues like Martina. His permanent signings on the whole were ok. The loans let him down. Out of curiosity did you share your expectations or is this 20/20 hindsight? Not having a go, just curious. I know that some posters spent 10 years predicting our relegation from the premier and when, eventually, they were finally correct it showed what football geniuses they were even if they had been wrong 9 times before |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2019 6:50:13 GMT
Given the issues at the club I fully expected us to be bottom half and with less points than he would have got. Something which Jones then compounded. He failed because of the back stabbing from certain board members and sheer arrogance on big issues like Martina. His permanent signings on the whole were ok. The loans let him down. Out of curiosity did you share your expectations or is this 20/20 hindsight? Not having a go, just curious. I know that some posters spent 10 years predicting our relegation from the premier and when, eventually, they were finally correct it showed what football geniuses they were even if they had been wrong 9 times before I shared it. It’s on here somewhere. The club was/is a mess and people were going giddy because we were spending money. As people have said he didn’t use the players particularly correctly but that wasn’t my argument, he still used them better than Jones and he was set to get 60 points which I didn’t think we’d do. I didn’t think we’d be relegated by any stretch, just not be top half. I think I’ve predicted relegation twice, once it happened, once it didn’t but that was only after a very bad start from TP then he went on one of them runs that he’d always magically come about. |
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Post by zerps on Oct 21, 2019 6:51:54 GMT
The reality is that both Rowett and Jones are poor managers for different reasons. Rowett has some decent Championship experience but was very limited tactically and didn't have the intelligence to understand that messing with the fans or dissing popular players can only end one way. Jones on the other hand has no experience of football at this level. In fact the reasons he acted like Tarzan on saturday was that beating Fulham is probably his best career achievement to date. He needs to learn fast and improve his man management in particular. The bottom line is that Rowett on paper appeared to be a decent choice for where we were. Jones was just a stupid gamble that may well still morph into a disaster. At best with Jones we will probably be consigned to the championship for quite a few years Tony in |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 21, 2019 6:52:42 GMT
We're ready to give someone an absolute twatting and score the magical 3 goals against them. Gregory hat trick. Written in the stars.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 21, 2019 6:53:34 GMT
He failed because he wasn't up to the task. He wasn't what we needed. Maybe. Maybe not. I think people underestimated how shit we were though and how bad the board are. He spent £12m on a striker who didn't fit how he wanted to play. He was adamant he wanted to sign McClean to play in a 4-3-3 that was never going to suit him in a million years. He ostracised anyone the least bit creative bar Ince, and piled the entirety of the responsibility for creativity onto his shoulders. Whatever else he had to contend with, those three decisions damn him and are as big a reason why he deserved to be sacked as anything else. Being better than Jones doesn't mean he did well. Montenegro has a bigger army than Luxembourg, it doesn't mean they have a big army. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2019 6:54:57 GMT
Maybe. Maybe not. I think people underestimated how shit we were though and how bad the board are. He spent £12m on a striker who didn't fit how he wanted to play. He was adamant he wanted to sign McClean to play in a 4-3-3 that was never going to suit him in a million years. He ostracised anyone the least bit creative bar Ince, and piled the entirety of the responsibility for creativity onto his shoulders. Whatever else he had to contend with, those three decisions damn him and are as big a reason why he deserved to be sacked as anything else. Being better than Jones doesn't mean he did well. Montenegro has a bigger army than Luxembourg, it doesn't mean they have a big army. I haven’t said he didn’t deserved to be sacked. He did but actually the job he did in hindsight was a lot better than I expected. |
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Post by wuzza on Oct 21, 2019 6:58:00 GMT
He’s an intelligent bloke who will be so much the wiser following his mistakes here. I didn't see much intelligence, plenty of arrogance but not much intelligence. This arrogance line is an interesting one - as a fan base that has had to listen to Mark Hughes and Nathan Jones for an extended period I would have though we would be fairly immune to it - Rowett isn’t in either of their leagues on the subject! |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 21, 2019 7:06:18 GMT
I never really liked the bloke, before his silly outburst I didn't like or dislike him, he was just 'grey', after his outburst I just thought he was a cock. He's shown some humility since, good on him for that, he'd do well to maintain it and leave the arrogance well alone. Football was nowt to shout about either. By a long way. Strange what makes people likeable or unlikeable. Jones can sound very arrogant at times. I mean, imagine him if we were top of the table!!! Yet somehow, people have taken to his personality in a way that they never did with Rowett. The humility does sound sincere though, and I have no gripe against him. He cocked things up, but I honestly think we were in a much worse state than anyone imagined. He wasn’t a bad manager before he joined us, and I hope he uses the lessons learned to get his career back on track. I have no gripe against him now, I'm pretty ambivalent towards him, I resent the amount of money he spent largely on crap but he didn't waste it on purpose, he did what he thought was best at the time. It's easy to misread people's attitudes and intentions when mostly what you see or hear from them is in interviews where they are usually under pressure. It just seemed to me he thought he was doing us a favour taking the job, could've been just his poor interview technique tho. With Jones, it seems he cares as much as we do, whether he does or he doesn't that's the attitude the fans see and I think a lot will forgive some arrogance when it's not accompanied by aloofness. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 21, 2019 7:07:50 GMT
He spent £12m on a striker who didn't fit how he wanted to play. He was adamant he wanted to sign McClean to play in a 4-3-3 that was never going to suit him in a million years. He ostracised anyone the least bit creative bar Ince, and piled the entirety of the responsibility for creativity onto his shoulders. Whatever else he had to contend with, those three decisions damn him and are as big a reason why he deserved to be sacked as anything else. Being better than Jones doesn't mean he did well. Montenegro has a bigger army than Luxembourg, it doesn't mean they have a big army. I haven’t said he didn’t deserved to be sacked. He did but actually the job he did in hindsight was a lot better than I expected. You said he did well. People who deserve to be sacked haven't by definition done well. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 21, 2019 7:11:47 GMT
Ince is a quality player and rowett did a good job?
I really think I've heard it all now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 7:17:05 GMT
Ince is a quality player and rowett did a good job? I really think I've heard it all now. Fishing Dave. No whoppers caught today. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 21, 2019 7:38:28 GMT
Let hope they get the new manager bounce we did at Leeds in his first game but you just know it won’t be the case .
Fucking fired up dockers dancing in Bermondsey is all I need to spoil another Saturday In London
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