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Post by iglugluk on Oct 19, 2019 0:38:18 GMT
Personally I like Peter Crouch and even if he was never a great fit for us I see no reason to doubt what he's written about Pieters and Shaq. It explains the fact Pieters was let go suddenly and without a backwards nod and it was also obvious Shaq was an arrogant player who could've been something really special whilst we had him but instead chose to be only good some of the time. It doesnt explain why we haven't brought in a decent new left back though so it's more than just a Hughes team building fuckup that's happened. Who actually gives a shit where he parked? Dunno.. ask Peter Coates? People get funny about parking spaces
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 6:13:00 GMT
I wonder how many players receive a letter off their Chairman thanking them for their service at the club🤔I’d suggest not many.Crouch was a fantastic ambassador for our club and some of the abuse people dish out is unwarranted for me At this club every one does, including Pieters. So what if he one day managed to park in the wrong space. It can happen, if you’re in a hurry or summat. Berahino might not have received one though.
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Post by shrewspotter on Oct 19, 2019 7:03:57 GMT
Crouch didn't get Pulis sacked did he . Crouch was a very good footballer , when he arrived probably the best at the club . He was a make weight in the palacios deal so we weren't signing a world class striker . Never the less he was a great buy imo for all his lack offf pace He did. The board never liked the deal is what I was told. And even without that the football played because of Crouch being in the side totally got him the sack. We went from having a mobile and pretty quick side to him and Adam. The football was dire. And Crouch is a good footballer. There’s no denying that but we didn’t really use that. The goals masked how detrimental he was to our overall play when he played. Again not his fault but it happened with all the managers here and him. you can’t argue with any of that The way I saw it was because of Crouch’s height the temptation was to lump it to him, we were definitely a better team with Jones and Walters up front
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Post by werrington on Oct 19, 2019 7:25:31 GMT
Instead of spending money on somebody to supply jones he spent it on somebody to replace him when it didn’t need it
It happened again when Carew was brought in and replaced Fuller
Total madness as the only bit of pace and movement up front was completely taken out of the side
We could argue the pros and cons of Crouch all day but ultimately it was a signing that wasn’t needed
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Post by tuum on Oct 20, 2019 1:35:33 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season Crouch has let himself down there I agree with Crouch. Shaqiri is over rated by many people on this board. All about opinions. I was happy when we sold Shaq. I wish him well. Didn't rate him as a player but he has probably found his level as a sub for a top six team.
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Post by damagedswan on Oct 20, 2019 4:11:45 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season Crouch has let himself down there I agree with Crouch. Shaqiri is over rated by many people on this board. All about opinions. I was happy when we sold Shaq. I wish him well. Didn't rate him as a player but he has probably found his level as a sub for a top six team. 'Found his level' haha - that's a pretty high level! Which of our other players in the Premier League era would have made it on to the bench of a 97-point side?!
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 20, 2019 6:57:36 GMT
I agree with Crouch. Shaqiri is over rated by many people on this board. All about opinions. I was happy when we sold Shaq. I wish him well. Didn't rate him as a player but he has probably found his level as a sub for a top six team. 'Found his level' haha - that's a pretty high level! Which of our other players in the Premier League era would have made it on to the bench of a 97-point side?! Nzonzi shawcross Butland begovic Arnie bojan
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 20, 2019 8:35:35 GMT
I'm fairly sure Dyche will have consulted with his big mate Crouchie before sigining Peiters as they are as thick of thieves. Whatever he said didn't put them off sigining him so can't have that bad opinion of him.
All helps to sell his book I guess
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Post by Linx on Oct 20, 2019 13:52:04 GMT
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Post by chumley on Jan 2, 2020 22:06:25 GMT
Just finished reading this and he comments about Rowetts style how he wanted us to sit deep and hit teams on the break. Also makes a reference to the players who cared about the club when we went down naming Butland Allen, Charlie Adams and Diouff. He also stated that Nathan said the diamond was the only style he would play so maybe he was a master of his own downfall..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 22:29:33 GMT
I read something about him last week. "Head on a stick". I think that he was referring more to Burnley than us (but who knows).
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 2, 2020 22:45:22 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season Crouch has let himself down there And being relegated in May rather than December is better in what way?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 7:34:30 GMT
Just finished reading this and he comments about Rowetts style how he wanted us to sit deep and hit teams on the break. Also makes a reference to the players who cared about the club when we went down naming Butland Allen, Charlie Adams and Diouff. He also stated that Nathan said the diamond was the only style he would play so maybe he was a master of his own downfall.. More genius from Rowett, who thought he could take over the favourites for promotion, spend £50m and then play like John Beck's Cambridge away at Old Trafford every week. Jones analysis is weird as his panicky chopping and changing and lack of faith in the diamond was a big contributing factor to his downfall.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 3, 2020 9:09:05 GMT
I read something about him last week. "Head on a stick". I think that he was referring more to Burnley than us (but who knows). He was explaining why he retired. He said something along the lines that he was physically fit enough to start and finish games, no aches, no pains, no injuries to content with etc. He felt he could have definitely competed for another full season, if not two. He was only being used as an impact sub to lump balls up to for flick ons etc. He coined the phrase “I felt like a head on a stick” (he did laugh). There’s more to life than this!!
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Post by chumley on Jan 3, 2020 10:04:54 GMT
The old boys club strikes again. Funny how Adam, Johnson, Crouch etc don’t call each other out despite contributing far less than Pieters and Shaqiri. They can all fuck off. Think that's every walk of life, all mates with same ideas sticking together, but regarding Shaquiri he did say that shaqs basically did as he pleased and made every one else work harder, he acknowledged his part of the blame about relegation as well.
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Post by chumley on Jan 3, 2020 10:08:37 GMT
I wonder who he referred to when saying a player had a chauffeur to take him to the ground, on the way home he would tell the driver to speed home risking the driver losing his licence, when taken to task this player said " I do not care about him"( the driver ), thank god we are hopefully rid of who ever this was, but my money is on some greedy austrian bloke who's now in China.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 3, 2020 10:32:41 GMT
I wonder who he referred to when saying a player had a chauffeur to take him to the ground, on the way home he would tell the driver to speed home risking the driver losing his licence, when taken to task this player said " I do not care about him"( the driver ), thank god we are hopefully rid of who ever this was, but my money is on some greedy austrian bloke who's now in China. Arnie had his own car. My bet is Glenn johnson.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 10:55:01 GMT
I wonder who he referred to when saying a player had a chauffeur to take him to the ground, on the way home he would tell the driver to speed home risking the driver losing his licence, when taken to task this player said " I do not care about him"( the driver ), thank god we are hopefully rid of who ever this was, but my money is on some greedy austrian bloke who's now in China. Or Belgium.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 3, 2020 10:56:55 GMT
I wonder who he referred to when saying a player had a chauffeur to take him to the ground, on the way home he would tell the driver to speed home risking the driver losing his licence, when taken to task this player said " I do not care about him"( the driver ), thank god we are hopefully rid of who ever this was, but my money is on some greedy austrian bloke who's now in China. It was arnie, or at least I’ve driven in front of him when he was in the back of an S class or something similar. Remember wondering what he was doing leaning through the front looking for phone chargers or something similar whilst it did 75 on the M6. Rest of the team we’re getting dropped off at knutsford or holmes chapel services. Can’t remember which
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Post by redwhite on Jan 3, 2020 11:14:16 GMT
Ive always hated this view of Stoke being a working mens kind of club so we appreciate hardwork over skill and technique. Pure codswallop We’ve finally produced a team that so many fans want! Full to the brim with with hard-working grafters and devoid of any skilful, creative players. The result? Flirting with relegation from the Championship. It’s amazing how systematically ridding ourselves of good footballers has resulted in us not producing good football.
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Post by rawli on Jan 3, 2020 11:29:18 GMT
Ive always hated this view of Stoke being a working mens kind of club so we appreciate hardwork over skill and technique. Pure codswallop We’ve finally produced a team that so many fans want! Full to the brim with with hard-working grafters and devoid of any skilful, creative players. The result? Flirting with relegation from the Championship. It’s amazing how systematically ridding ourselves of good footballers has resulted in us not producing good football. If skillful creative players aren't also prepared to do a modicum of work for the team they cease to become good for the team unless they are off the scale brilliant. Shaqiri is finding this out at Anfield. For all the goals and assists he got in the last season, his lack of effort caused us to be unbalanced. Berating youngsters and slagging the squad off in the Swiss press were both cunts tricks. I think when looked at in the round his negatives outweighed his positives in the final season. Bottom line was he was brilliant. But not brilliant enough to keep us up in a terrible league that Huddersfield survived in.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 3, 2020 12:00:12 GMT
We’ve finally produced a team that so many fans want! Full to the brim with with hard-working grafters and devoid of any skilful, creative players. The result? Flirting with relegation from the Championship. It’s amazing how systematically ridding ourselves of good footballers has resulted in us not producing good football. If skillful creative players aren't also prepared to do a modicum of work for the team they cease to become good for the team unless they are off the scale brilliant. Shaqiri is finding this out at Anfield. For all the goals and assists he got in the last season, his lack of effort caused us to be unbalanced. Berating youngsters and slagging the squad off in the Swiss press were both cunts tricks. I think when looked at in the round his negatives outweighed his positives in the final season. Bottom line was he was brilliant. But not brilliant enough to keep us up in a terrible league that Huddersfield survived in. Agreed.. and even off the scale brilliant will not be enough to keep a player at the very top for an extended period as the very best players combine skill, inspiration but also give hard work and commitment to their teams cause. It's a fine line between a raking cavalier and a self deluded pain in the arse as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by redwhite on Jan 3, 2020 12:01:36 GMT
We’ve finally produced a team that so many fans want! Full to the brim with with hard-working grafters and devoid of any skilful, creative players. The result? Flirting with relegation from the Championship. It’s amazing how systematically ridding ourselves of good footballers has resulted in us not producing good football. If skillful creative players aren't also prepared to do a modicum of work for the team they cease to become good for the team unless they are off the scale brilliant. Shaqiri is finding this out at Anfield. For all the goals and assists he got in the last season, his lack of effort caused us to be unbalanced. Berating youngsters and slagging the squad off in the Swiss press were both cunts tricks. I think when looked at in the round his negatives outweighed his positives in the final season. Bottom line was he was brilliant. But not brilliant enough to keep us up in a terrible league that Huddersfield survived in. He was just about our only creative outlet, especially when Choupo got injured. Our entire attacking strategy was “give the ball to Shaqiri and let him do the rest.” He was our attack. Shockingly enough he couldn’t keep the team up by himself. Negatives outweighing positives, Jesus Christ. He was one of the only positive parts of that season. If only he’d wasted his energy chasing lost causes like Joe Allen, hey? The fact that he can’t find a regular role in arguably the best team in the world isn’t a very helpful argument. He’s been pretty useful for Liverpool when called upon.
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Post by rawli on Jan 3, 2020 12:12:08 GMT
If skillful creative players aren't also prepared to do a modicum of work for the team they cease to become good for the team unless they are off the scale brilliant. Shaqiri is finding this out at Anfield. For all the goals and assists he got in the last season, his lack of effort caused us to be unbalanced. Berating youngsters and slagging the squad off in the Swiss press were both cunts tricks. I think when looked at in the round his negatives outweighed his positives in the final season. Bottom line was he was brilliant. But not brilliant enough to keep us up in a terrible league that Huddersfield survived in. He was just about our only creative outlet, especially when Choupo got injured. Our entire attacking strategy was “give the ball to Shaqiri and let him do the rest.” He was our attack. Shockingly enough he couldn’t keep the team up by himself. Negatives outweighing positives, Jesus Christ. He was one of the only positive parts of that season. If only he’d wasted his energy chasing lost causes like Joe Allen, hey? The fact that he can’t find a regular role in arguably the best team in the world isn’t a very helpful argument. He’s been pretty useful for Liverpool when called upon. Agree to disagree on him.
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