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Post by Stoke70 on Oct 18, 2019 10:46:45 GMT
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Post by jwhpotter on Oct 18, 2019 11:01:27 GMT
I guess this clears up the why we let Pieters go issue (bad egg)
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 18, 2019 11:13:01 GMT
As much as I liked Shaqiri, and what he was capable of, it was what he wasn't capable of that got my back up about him!!! Charlie Adam got ripped apart on here for having a pop at him, yet there's obviously something in it!!!
And people slate Joe Allen, when he's doing the work of two people...... The same now when he's covering for Ince!!!
Coincidentally, Joe had his best game of the season against Swansea.......When Ince wasn't on!!!
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Post by lordb on Oct 18, 2019 11:18:33 GMT
As much as I liked Shaqiri, and what he was capable of, it was what he wasn't capable of that got my back up about him!!! Charlie Adam got ripped apart on here for having a pop at him, yet there's obviously something in it!!! And people slate Joe Allen, when he's doing the work of two people...... The same now when he's covering for Ince!!! Coincidentally, Joe had his best game of the season against Swansea.......When Ince wasn't on!!! That's a good point re Allen/Ince
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 11:36:04 GMT
As much as I liked Shaqiri, and what he was capable of, it was what he wasn't capable of that got my back up about him!!! Charlie Adam got ripped apart on here for having a pop at him, yet there's obviously something in it!!! And people slate Joe Allen, when he's doing the work of two people...... The same now when he's covering for Ince!!! Coincidentally, Joe had his best game of the season against Swansea.......When Ince wasn't on!!! Allen has played better since coming back largely because of Ndiaye and also because he seems to have learnt the lesson that chasing the ball like a puppy is not doing him or the team any favours
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 18, 2019 11:38:47 GMT
As much as I liked Shaqiri, and what he was capable of, it was what he wasn't capable of that got my back up about him!!! Charlie Adam got ripped apart on here for having a pop at him, yet there's obviously something in it!!! And people slate Joe Allen, when he's doing the work of two people...... The same now when he's covering for Ince!!! Coincidentally, Joe had his best game of the season against Swansea.......When Ince wasn't on!!! Allen has played better since coming back largely because of Ndiaye and also because he seems to have learnt the lesson that chasing the ball like a puppy is not doing him or the team any favours Perhaps he no longer feels he has to chase the balloon.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 18, 2019 11:42:37 GMT
Insightful stuff from Crouch. I think we as supporters far too often go completely over the top about stuff without really having any background information to work with.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 18, 2019 11:48:04 GMT
Having an immobile, isolated striker who couldn't really press and disrupted the team when he came on because we had to bypass the midfield could also be cited as a valid reason for us going down.
Fed up of them talking about it to be quite honest, the collective group wasn't good enough. Seems very odd to pick out the guy who played a role in over 40% of the goals scored that season.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 18, 2019 11:49:21 GMT
As much as I liked Shaqiri, and what he was capable of, it was what he wasn't capable of that got my back up about him!!! Charlie Adam got ripped apart on here for having a pop at him, yet there's obviously something in it!!! And people slate Joe Allen, when he's doing the work of two people...... The same now when he's covering for Ince!!! Coincidentally, Joe had his best game of the season against Swansea.......When Ince wasn't on!!! Allen has played better since coming back largely because of Ndiaye and also because he seems to have learnt the lesson that chasing the ball like a puppy is not doing him or the team any favours And because he didn't have to do ince's work as well as his own!!!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 18, 2019 12:22:29 GMT
😄👏
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 18, 2019 12:50:16 GMT
Crouch was one of the biggest football issues we've had the club since he signed.
He never fitted in really and the better football was usually played when he was on the bench.
Shaq and Pieters did way more us than he did.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 18, 2019 12:51:07 GMT
As much as I liked Shaqiri, and what he was capable of, it was what he wasn't capable of that got my back up about him!!! Charlie Adam got ripped apart on here for having a pop at him, yet there's obviously something in it!!! And people slate Joe Allen, when he's doing the work of two people...... The same now when he's covering for Ince!!! Coincidentally, Joe had his best game of the season against Swansea.......When Ince wasn't on!!! That's a good point re Allen/Ince Allen was out of the way. Allen leaves way more gaps than Ince ever has. It's a poor point.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Oct 18, 2019 12:56:09 GMT
The old boys club strikes again. Funny how Adam, Johnson, Crouch etc don’t call each other out despite contributing far less than Pieters and Shaqiri. They can all fuck off.
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Post by chad on Oct 18, 2019 13:00:10 GMT
Crouch was one of the biggest football issues we've had the club since he signed. He never fitted in really and the better football was usually played when he was on the bench. Shaq and Pieters did way more us than he did. I suppose Stanley Matthews was pretty shit as well was he ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 13:00:25 GMT
Crouch was one of the biggest football issues we've had the club since he signed. He never fitted in really and the better football was usually played when he was on the bench. Shaq and Pieters did way more us than he did. I liked Crouch, he was definitely an upgrade on John Carew, but despite the fact that he did his job well each game (he rarely stood out as having a bad game and was great defending corners) his job wasn’t what we needed. Crouch worked in a 4-4-2, which we didn’t play, or play well. I always felt that we should have looked for a more consistent Jones, who was relatively dynamic when he wanted to be, rather than go with the TP wet dream.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 18, 2019 13:18:46 GMT
Guy who struggled to get in the starting 11 throughout his career calls out the 'first name on the team sheet enigma' - shocker! Not.
I love Crouchy but everyone has an agenda.
I have said it before and will say it again, if a player defies team instructions and plays how they want then the manager should deal with it. If this happens more often than once then the manager is to blame IMO.
I don't suppose him calling Lambert a bit crap will sell more copies of his book though...
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Post by werrington on Oct 18, 2019 13:22:43 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season
Crouch has let himself down there
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 18, 2019 13:26:03 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season Crouch has let himself down there He's just trying to sell his book, not that he needs the money.
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Post by werrington on Oct 18, 2019 13:28:46 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season Crouch has let himself down there He's just trying to sell his book, not that he needs the money. He struck me as better than that
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 18, 2019 13:32:47 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season Crouch has let himself down there Second half of that season. He certainly couldn't hold his head up after his performance against Newcastle at Christmas
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 18, 2019 13:51:05 GMT
Crouch was one of the biggest football issues we've had the club since he signed. He never fitted in really and the better football was usually played when he was on the bench. Shaq and Pieters did way more us than he did. The thing is none of that is mutually exclusive with what he's saying. I don't think he's even particularly "blaming" Shaqiri, it's just that if you have a player who is not putting the work in when you're in a dogfight, even if he's scoring goals, then there's going to be a resentment that contributes to the general malaise. A player can't help being crap, but he can help being idle. And let's face it it's always been an underlying issue with Shaq. It's why he's been basically discarded at Liverpool despite fitting their system well and good performances when he did play.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 18, 2019 14:05:50 GMT
The whole slagging of Shaqiri in that relegation I have always found strange from the players.
He clearly wanted to leave, but he still produced on the pitch.
Barcelona dont expect Messi to track back and make tackles. What the hell is Shaqiri supposed to be doing?
Ive always hated this view of Stoke being a working mens kind of club so we appreciate hardwork over skill and technique. Pure codswallop
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Post by mondeoman on Oct 18, 2019 14:26:28 GMT
Crouch was one of the biggest football issues we've had the club since he signed. He never fitted in really and the better football was usually played when he was on the bench. Shaq and Pieters did way more us than he did. Once more, B/oatcake reaffirms that he's the biggest idiot on this forum.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 18, 2019 14:43:55 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season Crouch has let himself down there Don’t see why he has let himself down at all. He seems to have given an honest opinion - as an experienced pro - as to certain problems caused by Shaqs approach to the game. It’s not a blistering attack on his persona just an assessment of something that didn’t help the team. Crouchies seen it all and done it all and come out of it with a reasonably healthy amount of his sanity retained. His opinions are worthy of respect I reckon.
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Post by werrington on Oct 18, 2019 14:52:59 GMT
Thank fuck we had Shaqiri otherwise we’d of been relegated at Christmas and not in May.....he was one of 3-4 players who can hold up their head in that relegation season Crouch has let himself down there Don’t see why he has let himself down at all. He seems to have given an honest opinion - as an experienced pro - as to certain problems caused by Shaqs approach to the game. It’s not a blistering attack on his persona just an assessment of something that didn’t help the team. Crouchies seen it all and done it all and come out of it with a reasonably healthy amount of his sanity retained. His opinions are worthy of respect I reckon. So if Shaqiri comes out and replies every time the ball was played to Crouch he was 75% of the time offside you’d think that was a fair reply?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 14:57:11 GMT
He'd have been better off just saying he played when he wanted to, because it would have been the truth and it would have resonated more.
He should follow that statement up with "No player came out of that season with any credit and we all played our part in Stoke being where they are now"
Sick to the back bastard teeth of the lot of them.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 18, 2019 14:57:27 GMT
Don’t see why he has let himself down at all. He seems to have given an honest opinion - as an experienced pro - as to certain problems caused by Shaqs approach to the game. It’s not a blistering attack on his persona just an assessment of something that didn’t help the team. Crouchies seen it all and done it all and come out of it with a reasonably healthy amount of his sanity retained. His opinions are worthy of respect I reckon. So if Shaqiri comes out and replies every time the ball was played to Crouch he was 75% of the time offside you’d think that was a fair reply? Of course - it would be his opinion.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 18, 2019 14:59:50 GMT
The whole slagging of Shaqiri in that relegation I have always found strange from the players. He clearly wanted to leave, but he still produced on the pitch. Barcelona dont expect Messi to track back and make tackles. What the hell is Shaqiri supposed to be doing? Ive always hated this view of Stoke being a working mens kind of club so we appreciate hardwork over skill and technique. Pure codswallop It's an abdication of personal responsibility which was also one of the reasons we went down. Instead of actually looking at what they all could have done better, let's all have a pop at the guy who was the only reason we weren't down by fucking February. He laid on 40% of the goals for the team, if Crouch is insinuating that he was responsible for over 40% of goals being conceded then that's just plainly ridiculous. Even if that were the case, he'd be breaking even, which is more can be said about the vast majority of that squad.
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Post by walrus on Oct 18, 2019 15:00:14 GMT
Selling Pieters in itself is not an issue. Sometimes it’s just right for players to move on. Selling Pieters - especially bearing in mind that he was out on loan for the second half of last season and clearly not in long term plans - and bringing in only a 34 year old on a free who is not deemed good enough to make the matchday squad most weeks is negligent.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 18, 2019 15:02:22 GMT
Don’t see why he has let himself down at all. He seems to have given an honest opinion - as an experienced pro - as to certain problems caused by Shaqs approach to the game. It’s not a blistering attack on his persona just an assessment of something that didn’t help the team. Crouchies seen it all and done it all and come out of it with a reasonably healthy amount of his sanity retained. His opinions are worthy of respect I reckon. So if Shaqiri comes out and replies every time the ball was played to Crouch he was 75% of the time offside you’d think that was a fair reply? He didn't chase down that ball that was 70 yards ahead of him, he doesn't deserve an opinion obviously.
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