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Post by Northy on Sept 30, 2019 19:03:36 GMT
Has Sweden had enough now Musik?
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 30, 2019 19:19:05 GMT
It's 'its' immigrants.
(that sounds like a minmalist techno groove if you say it quickly and repetitively)
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Post by musik on Sept 30, 2019 20:15:32 GMT
Has Sweden had enough now Musik? 80.000 immigrants to return? That was news even to me. Not all that surprised though, since the Prime Minister Social democrat Löfvén a year ago said a total of 65.000 immigrants have been sent back already in 2018, (or if it was during the period 2016-2018, I don't remember), and noone from left to right protested in the tv debate, so I guess it's correct. To look out for now is how many further immigrants come the opposite way, in to our country at the same time the following years.
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Post by Northy on Sept 30, 2019 21:10:30 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 1, 2019 5:23:28 GMT
Jesus that video was from four years ago. There are some truly frightened people on this board,what a way to live your life, living in terror. We went to south Spain for our holidays this year in a beautiful town called Nerja,to cut a long story short there was a homeless camp on one of the beaches on the far side of the town.It was made up of a mixture of locals and yes you guessed it Brits.Begging drinking and drugs were the norm for them.I did get the impression that the Spanish were compassionate towards them even helped them. Just a different angle.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 1, 2019 6:30:35 GMT
Jesus that video was from four years ago. There are some truly frightened people on this board,what a way to live your life, living in terror. We went to south Spain for our holidays this year in a beautiful town called Nerja,to cut a long story short there was a homeless camp on one of the beaches on the far side of the town.It was made up of a mixture of locals and yes you guessed it Brits.Begging drinking and drugs were the norm for them.I did get the impression that the Spanish were compassionate towards them even helped them. Just a different angle. But don't forget the golden rule. It's 'Ex-Pats' for Brits, not 'Migrants'
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Post by musik on Oct 1, 2019 7:09:54 GMT
Jesus that video was from four years ago. There are some truly frightened people on this board,what a way to live your life, living in terror. We went to south Spain for our holidays this year in a beautiful town called Nerja,to cut a long story short there was a homeless camp on one of the beaches on the far side of the town.It was made up of a mixture of locals and yes you guessed it Brits. Begging drinking and drugs were the norm for them.I did get the impression that the Spanish were compassionate towards them even helped them. Just a different angle. Four years, ok, I didn't know that. If so, it could have been the migration wave I mentioned, declared by our Löfvén. However, just now this morning Migrationsverket (The Migration Department) declared they will most likely send back not only all criminals to their countries, but also people to Syria, to those now existing safe places there - because their reason for coming here in the first place doesn't exist anymore. Sweden could be the world leading country in doing so, according to our text tv news. The boss at Migrationsverket informed they aren't politically influenced, so they can make this kind of migration decisions quicker.
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Post by musik on Oct 1, 2019 7:35:15 GMT
This morning on the news also. In Lidingö, part of the capital city Stockholm, they have introduced a begging ban. And it wasn't the first place in the country the news says here, but I don't keep track ...
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Post by musik on Oct 3, 2019 16:12:41 GMT
On the tv news just now: Sweden have decided NOT to send any people from England back, if/when England leaves EU.
At the same time, M Johansson says he hopes England will do the same with all swedes living there. 🤪
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 16:32:15 GMT
On the tv news just now: Sweden have decided NOT to send any people from England back, if/when England leaves EU. At the same time, M Johansson says he hopes England will do the same with all swedes living there. 🤪 We'll only keep the au pair's
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Post by musik on Oct 3, 2019 16:43:06 GMT
On the tv news just now: Sweden have decided NOT to send any people from England back, if/when England leaves EU. At the same time, M Johansson says he hopes England will do the same with all swedes living there. 🤪 We'll only keep the au pair's 25.000 people from England live here, he said. More than I thought. I wonder how many swedes we have on the island.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 18:41:37 GMT
We'll only keep the au pair's 25.000 people from England live here, he said. More than I thought. I wonder how many swedes we have on the island. Dunner mind a Swede or two Great in lobby
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 3, 2019 19:19:10 GMT
We'll only keep the au pair's 25.000 people from England live here, he said. More than I thought. I wonder how many swedes we have on the island. Heard a recent story of a bloke went on a tour of Europe and intended to stay in Sweden for a few days. He said everything had to be bought by contactless, his bank wasn't recognised so he couldn't buy anything, travel on public transport etc. Lived off food out of a bin at the back of a bakery for a couple of days and left. Painted a bleak picture of 'free' Sweden.. We're heading that way, controllable digital currency, cash less society. Was this an accurate perspective?
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Post by murphthesurf on Oct 3, 2019 19:51:08 GMT
On the tv news just now: Sweden have decided NOT to send any people from England back, if/when England leaves EU. At the same time, M Johansson says he hopes England will do the same with all swedes living there. 🤪 We'll only keep the au pair's Oooooo, you mucky little pup, Mares!
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Post by hoffgreen on Oct 3, 2019 19:56:17 GMT
Jailed for speaking. Let that sink in
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Post by musik on Oct 3, 2019 20:09:29 GMT
25.000 people from England live here, he said. More than I thought. I wonder how many swedes we have on the island. Heard a recent story of a bloke went on a tour of Europe and intended to stay in Sweden for a few days. He said everything had to be bought by contactless, his bank wasn't recognised so he couldn't buy anything, travel on public transport etc. Lived off food out of a bin at the back of a bakery for a couple of days and left. Painted a bleak picture of 'free' Sweden.. We're heading that way, controllable digital currency, cash less society. Was this an accurate perspective? Contactless? Did you really mean that, or did you mean cashless? Anyway, the sight of paper money is a more and more rare phenomena these days. It's correct, you can't buy a bus ticket aboard here anymore. You have to do it in advance. Most people do it on their mobile phone with an app. There is one more possibility. The old way. I use it. Buy a plastic card in advance, where they sell candy, newspapers etc. and load it with a bank card or paper money (I always use paper money to do this, as a protest). I'm no fan of the digital society. Then get onboard the bus or tram, hold it in front of the reader. However, most famous are the swedish trafic controllers. More brutal than the guards, police or military. We've had some serious cases. A lot of priority resources if someone has "forgot" to pay £2. They chase the person and use violence. Sometimes it feels like it's the worst you can do in our society. But they don't control everyone ...
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Post by scfc1863 on Oct 3, 2019 20:48:06 GMT
Jailed for speaking. Let that sink in Racist... got what he deserves.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 4, 2019 10:15:53 GMT
Jailed for speaking. Let that sink in
Let what sink in?
Freedom of speech does not equate to freedom of consequence of what that speech is. You are aware of that aren't you? That isn't new by the way, you have ALWAYS been able to be prosecuted if you exercising your right to Freedom of Speech breaks the law.
Why do some people seem to think that you can just say what you want and shout "Freedom of speech" and then therefore be free from any kind of prosecution? That's NEVER been the case at any point.
P.S. he was jailed for 5 seperate instances of intending to stir up racial hatred. Even his own defence in court said he had gone "too far, far too far" in his comments.
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Post by yeokel on Oct 4, 2019 10:53:49 GMT
Heard a recent story of a bloke went on a tour of Europe and intended to stay in Sweden for a few days. He said everything had to be bought by contactless, his bank wasn't recognised so he couldn't buy anything, travel on public transport etc. Lived off food out of a bin at the back of a bakery for a couple of days and left. Painted a bleak picture of 'free' Sweden.. We're heading that way, controllable digital currency, cash less society. Was this an accurate perspective? Contactless? Did you really mean that, or did you mean cashless? Anyway, the sight of paper money is a more and more rare phenomena these days. It's correct, you can't buy a bus ticket aboard here anymore. You have to do it in advance. Most people do it on their mobile phone with an app. There is one more possibility. The old way. I use it. Buy a plastic card in advance, where they sell candy, newspapers etc. and load it with a bank card or paper money (I always use paper money to do this, as a protest). I'm no fan of the digital society. Then get onboard the bus or tram, hold it in front of the reader. However, most famous are the swedish trafic controllers. More brutal than the guards, police or military. We've had some serious cases. A lot of priority resources if someone has "forgot" to pay £2. They chase the person and use violence. Sometimes it feels like it's the worst you can do in our society. But they don't control everyone ... " load it with a bank card or paper money (I always use paper money to do this, as a protest)" You rebel. Good for you. A cashless society is something to be very fearful of.
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Post by musik on Oct 7, 2019 11:50:27 GMT
I'm not fond of generalizations. If criminality is the problem, focus on that.
The immigration wave to Sweden is set on a pause. It's nothing strange about that, every political party here (from the communists to the conservatives and everything in between agree on that). Simply because Sweden have for some years been top leaders in Europe of welcoming immigrants.
I am about to return two books by an author and economist named Tino Sanandaji born in Iran. The two books are in swedish unfortunately. It's my native language of course, but I mean someone should translate them into English to reach more people. Since I've had a fever I haven't finished them. But today it's the last day for the return. Have to borrow them again.
He describes problems with mass immigration, but is not voting on the SwedenDemocrats (which many readers would assume I guess). It's so far a balanced view. Many interesting diagrams requiring further research. It has been rated high by most of our big papers.
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Post by musik on Oct 7, 2019 11:53:52 GMT
Contactless? Did you really mean that, or did you mean cashless? Anyway, the sight of paper money is a more and more rare phenomena these days. It's correct, you can't buy a bus ticket aboard here anymore. You have to do it in advance. Most people do it on their mobile phone with an app. There is one more possibility. The old way. I use it. Buy a plastic card in advance, where they sell candy, newspapers etc. and load it with a bank card or paper money (I always use paper money to do this, as a protest). I'm no fan of the digital society. Then get onboard the bus or tram, hold it in front of the reader. However, most famous are the swedish trafic controllers. More brutal than the guards, police or military. We've had some serious cases. A lot of priority resources if someone has "forgot" to pay £2. They chase the person and use violence. Sometimes it feels like it's the worst you can do in our society. But they don't control everyone ... " load it with a bank card or paper money (I always use paper money to do this, as a protest)" You rebel. Good for you. A cashless society is something to be very fearful of. Absolutely. But the banks and politicians follow a reasoning turned upside down. It's to diminish crime, they say. As if no crimes are committed online ...
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Post by Northy on Oct 25, 2019 11:40:33 GMT
Is this true Musik?
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Post by musik on Oct 25, 2019 12:51:34 GMT
Definitely true, Northy. And in some instances it might have been victims who have had enough?
A small three members teenage gang commited 190 roberies in just 14 days in August in a small area here. The very same persons! First I thought it was a misprint. They have not only during knife threats taken the victim's money, watches, phones and clothes, they have also taken them to some house nearby and made them lick the leader's feet and urinated on some. Victims were of all ages. The police have taken them now, they're jailed at last. The police have avoided telling who they were. By doing so, suspicions arise.
The gang members were asked why they did this and their answer was: "we had nothing else to do, we felt like it".
They should be part of a research project by now.
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 25, 2019 14:34:15 GMT
Whats this got to do with immigrants?Proof?
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Post by felonious on Oct 25, 2019 17:36:02 GMT
Whats this got to do with immigrants?Proof? A new report from the Swedish Defence University warns that clan structures in some immigrant areas are putting the Swedish justice system under ‘severe stress’. In these parallel societies, the Swedish state is weak, witness intimidation is systematic and ordinary citizens are pressured to submit to clan rule. www.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/bomb-attacks-are-now-a-normal-part-of-swedish-life/
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 25, 2019 17:46:23 GMT
Definitely true, Northy. And in some instances it might have been victims who have had enough? A small three members teenage gang commited 190 roberies in just 14 days in August in a small area here. The very same persons! First I thought it was a misprint. They have not only during knife threats taken the victim's money, watches, phones and clothes, they have also taken them to some house nearby and made them lick the leader's feet and urinated on some. Victims were of all ages. The police have taken them now, they're jailed at last. The police have avoided telling who they were. By doing so, suspicions arise. The gang members were asked why they did this and their answer was: "we had nothing else to do, we felt like it". They should be part of a research project by now. Seems to be a trait with police across Northern Europe lately not naming certain criminals, makes you wonder why that is
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 25, 2019 18:48:40 GMT
I'm not necessarily or automatically linking this to immigration but it does seem as though something is happening in Sweden , unless Neil has got it wrong..... it's worth reading other comments on the thread.
Explosions " normalised"
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 26, 2019 8:37:54 GMT
It's 'its' immigrants. (that sounds like a minmalist techno groove if you say it quickly and repetitively) It’s "it's" because the possession appertains to "Sweden", which is singular, not "immigrants". Northy is correct.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 26, 2019 8:57:26 GMT
Definitely true, Northy. And in some instances it might have been victims who have had enough? A small three members teenage gang commited 190 roberies in just 14 days in August in a small area here. The very same persons! First I thought it was a misprint. They have not only during knife threats taken the victim's money, watches, phones and clothes, they have also taken them to some house nearby and made them lick the leader's feet and urinated on some. Victims were of all ages. The police have taken them now, they're jailed at last. The police have avoided telling who they were. By doing so, suspicions arise. The gang members were asked why they did this and their answer was: "we had nothing else to do, we felt like it". They should be part of a research project by now. Are there really no go areas in Sweden mate ? we get conflicting information on the subject.
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Post by musik on Oct 26, 2019 9:52:22 GMT
Are there really no go areas in Sweden mate ? we get conflicting information on the subject. According to the police there are. According to the ordinary mainstream media on a national level there are. According to the people who live there, there are. A guy from Turkey said on SVT we have like 270 no go areas now, and 10 years ago it was about 30. It's not unusual to hear immigrants saying it's worse than where they've come from. And to kill a myth if it hasn't been done here elsewhere, a myth that for some reason still lives on in Sweden that says our SVT (Svensk Television) is kind of left oriented. That's not true actually! From a neutral view, compared to the 1970ies our SVT of today is center liberal or even to the right on a political scale, I would say. Migration questioning is standard on tv nowadays.
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