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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 26, 2019 10:01:16 GMT
Are there really no go areas in Sweden mate ? we get conflicting information on the subject. According to the police there are. According to the ordinary mainstream media on a national level there are. According to the people who live there, there are. A guy from Turkey said on SVT we have like 270 no go areas now, and 10 years ago it was about 30. It's not unusual to hear immigrants saying it's worse than where they've come from. And to kill a myth if it hasn't been done here elsewhere, a myth that for some reason still lives on in Sweden that says our SVT (Svensk Television) is kind of left oriented. That's not true actually! From a neutral view, compared to the 1970ies our SVT of today is center liberal or even to the right on a political scale, I would say. Migration questioning is standard on tv nowadays. I think the whole of Europe is questioning migration at the moment. I think it's got way out of control, and people are scared of saying it. Better to label them "populist".
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 26, 2019 10:01:58 GMT
Are there really no go areas in Sweden mate ? we get conflicting information on the subject. According to the police there are. According to the ordinary mainstream media on a national level there are. According to the people who live there, there are. A guy from Turkey said on SVT we have like 270 no go areas now, and 10 years ago it was about 30. It's not unusual to hear immigrants saying it's worse than where they've come from. And to kill a myth if it hasn't been done here elsewhere, a myth that for some reason still lives on in Sweden that says our SVT (Svensk Television) is kind of left oriented. That's not true actually! From a neutral view, compared to the 1970ies our SVT of today is center liberal or even to the right on a political scale, I would say. Migration questioning is standard on tv nowadays. From 30 to 270 in 10 years wow, what reason is there for the massive rise in no go areas in a relatively short space of time ?, I visited Sweden many years ago and never saw any issues the people all seemed welcoming warm and friendly, is there an underlying issue that has triggered these problems. I believe we have similar problems in the UK that are not widely reported on in our media, I have a relative who has worked with the Met. he suggests that there are no go areas in parts of London due to gang culture.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 26, 2019 10:07:00 GMT
According to the police there are. According to the ordinary mainstream media on a national level there are. According to the people who live there, there are. A guy from Turkey said on SVT we have like 270 no go areas now, and 10 years ago it was about 30. It's not unusual to hear immigrants saying it's worse than where they've come from. And to kill a myth if it hasn't been done here elsewhere, a myth that for some reason still lives on in Sweden that says our SVT (Svensk Television) is kind of left oriented. That's not true actually! From a neutral view, compared to the 1970ies our SVT of today is center liberal or even to the right on a political scale, I would say. Migration questioning is standard on tv nowadays. I think the whole of Europe is questioning migration at the moment. I think it's got way out of control, and people are scared of saying it. Better to label them "populist". Why is it considered racist to raise concerns about the effects of mass uncontrolled immigration ? is it a tactic used by the left to shut down debate on a very serious and growing subject or do they have a point ? seems to me that mass immigration is changing the cultures in many European countries in a negative way in many cases.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 26, 2019 10:18:53 GMT
I think the whole of Europe is questioning migration at the moment. I think it's got way out of control, and people are scared of saying it. Better to label them "populist". Why is it considered racist to raise concerns about the effects of mass uncontrolled immigration ? is it a tactic used by the left to shut down debate on a very serious and growing subject or do they have a point ? seems to me that mass immigration is changing the cultures in many European countries in a negative way in many cases. Totally agree. Douglas Murray sums it up in The Strange Death Of Europe. Too many immigrants in way too short a time period. It's an absolute disaster. Our services are creaking already. Then there's modern slavery, FGM, breast ironing and the terrorist threat. But virtually nobody is willing to say the truth about what's going on. MPs certainly won't. It's this bizarre taboo that is killing reasonable debate. Controlled, limited immigration is fine, but these levels are insane.
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Post by Northy on Oct 26, 2019 16:04:34 GMT
Whats this got to do with immigrants?Proof? Who mentioned immigrants on the post, I didn't. Could have been vigilantes.
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Post by musik on Oct 26, 2019 16:13:13 GMT
Whats this got to do with immigrants?Proof? Who mentioned immigrants on the post, I didn't. Could have been vigilantes. Drugs from abroad are the initial problem here, they often are. Territorial conflicts arise between those gangs dealing with the shit.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 26, 2019 18:59:01 GMT
Who mentioned immigrants on the post, I didn't. Could have been vigilantes. Drugs from abroad are the initial problem here, they often are. Territorial conflicts arise between those gangs dealing with the shit. Are these gangs made up of indigenous Swedish people ? if so it surprises me as I never imagined the Swedes to be a particularly violent peoples though I may be wrong, it is man years since I visited and by the sound of it will be many years before I return.
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Post by musik on Oct 26, 2019 20:59:00 GMT
Drugs from abroad are the initial problem here, they often are. Territorial conflicts arise between those gangs dealing with the shit. Are these gangs made up of indigenous Swedish people ? if so it surprises me as I never imagined the Swedes to be a particularly violent peoples though I may be wrong, it is man years since I visited and by the sound of it will be many years before I return. I can perhaps come back to this when/if I can get the official stats.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 27, 2019 9:20:06 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 28, 2019 7:37:42 GMT
Whats this got to do with immigrants?Proof? Who mentioned immigrants on the post, I didn't. Could have been vigilantes. Maybe something to do with the thread title.Sweden and its immigrants
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Post by felonious on Oct 28, 2019 7:48:01 GMT
Who mentioned immigrants on the post, I didn't. Could have been vigilantes. Maybe something to do with the thread title.Sweden and its immigrants No comment on the Spectator article?
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Post by Northy on Oct 28, 2019 8:05:34 GMT
Who mentioned immigrants on the post, I didn't. Could have been vigilantes. Maybe something to do with the thread title.Sweden and its immigrants You asked me for proof that it was immigrants, but I didn't mention immigrants, it could be retaliation from Swedish people, it's you automatically jumping to conclusions
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 28, 2019 9:04:48 GMT
Maybe something to do with the thread title.Sweden and its immigrants You asked me for proof that it was immigrants, but I didn't mention immigrants, it could be retaliation from Swedish people, it's you automatically jumping to conclusions Its just that when you get a post not about immigrants on an immigrants thread it gets a tad confusing.
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 28, 2019 9:12:41 GMT
Maybe something to do with the thread title.Sweden and its immigrants No comment on the Spectator article? Violence breeds violence.The world powers needs to stop or attempt to stop mass migration.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 28, 2019 9:15:02 GMT
You asked me for proof that it was immigrants, but I didn't mention immigrants, it could be retaliation from Swedish people, it's you automatically jumping to conclusions Its just that when you get a post not about immigrants on an immigrants thread it gets a tad confusing. Correct. If Northy wants people to believe it was just a general question about crine in Sweden, then surely he should have started a new thread as it's a seperate issue to this thread and that post should be deleted as it's not relevant. He isn't fooling anyone, no matter how clever he seems to think he is.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 28, 2019 9:41:32 GMT
Its just that when you get a post not about immigrants on an immigrants thread it gets a tad confusing. Correct. If Northy wants people to believe it was just a general question about crine in Sweden, then surely he should have started a new thread as it's a seperate issue to this thread and that post should be deleted as it's not relevant. He isn't fooling anyone, no matter how clever he seems to think he is. Are you joking nearly every thread on here starts going miles off topic!
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Post by felonious on Oct 28, 2019 9:42:35 GMT
No comment on the Spectator article? Violence breeds violence.The world powers needs to stop or attempt to stop mass migration. So if I'm understanding you correctly you think that mass immigration into Sweden has been an unmitigated disaster and it should be stopped. Sweden has long been held up to be a socialist utopia with decent fair minded citizens I wonder just how it's come to this.
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 28, 2019 10:51:53 GMT
Violence breeds violence.The world powers needs to stop or attempt to stop mass migration. So if I'm understanding you correctly you think that mass immigration into Sweden has been an unmitigated disaster and it should be stopped. Sweden has long been held up to be a socialist utopia with decent fair minded citizens I wonder just how it's come to this. Errm no, I dont think that at all.
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Post by Northy on Oct 28, 2019 11:37:20 GMT
Its just that when you get a post not about immigrants on an immigrants thread it gets a tad confusing. Correct. If Northy wants people to believe it was just a general question about crine in Sweden, then surely he should have started a new thread as it's a seperate issue to this thread and that post should be deleted as it's not relevant. He isn't fooling anyone, no matter how clever he seems to think he is. Well as the opening post was about Sweden removing immigrants, and wasn't directly about immigrant attacks then surely you who thinks he's the cleverest of them all could see it was an open conversation on both sides of the subject?
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Post by Northy on Oct 28, 2019 11:41:45 GMT
You asked me for proof that it was immigrants, but I didn't mention immigrants, it could be retaliation from Swedish people, it's you automatically jumping to conclusions Its just that when you get a post not about immigrants on an immigrants thread it gets a tad confusing. The original post was about Sweden doing something. There are also Swedish far right patrols in the sea between Sweden and Denmark, vigilante women groups, Swedish vigilantes car burning/bombing so as said before it could have been one of those groups.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 28, 2019 12:07:04 GMT
Correct. If Northy wants people to believe it was just a general question about crine in Sweden, then surely he should have started a new thread as it's a seperate issue to this thread and that post should be deleted as it's not relevant. He isn't fooling anyone, no matter how clever he seems to think he is. Well as the opening post was about Sweden removing immigrants, and wasn't directly about immigrant attacks then surely you who thinks he's the cleverest of them all could see it was an open conversation on both sides of the subject?
But either way the conversation is about immigrants?
You're now saying that your post apparently wasn't referring to immigrants, it was just a general point about crime ("who mentioned immigrants in the post?")...so still nothing to do with this thread therefore.
If you're saying that you just wanted to clear up whether it was immigrants or a far right group, then why wasn't that the question you asked? You simply asked "Is this true?".
How would musik simply answering if it was true or not then answer the question you apparently want to know the answer to?
I guess it seems strange to me that you want apparently want to know the answer to something, yet instead of asking the question you want the answer to..you just asked something else instead
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Post by musik on Oct 28, 2019 20:55:13 GMT
I'm busy fixing things in my kitchen, but here's a little bit of stats from BRÅ (Brottsförebyggande Rådet = An authority under the Ministry of Justice, which all political parties rely on).
Suspicion of sex crime in the population have increased from 5782 to 7839 persons (real values) between 2014-2018.
Rape against women 18 years of age and older between 2009-2018 have increased by 46%. Rape against men 18 years of age and older between 2009-2018 have increased by 91%.
Drug crimes have increased by 33% between 2009-2018.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 28, 2019 22:47:59 GMT
I'm busy fixing things in my kitchen, but here's a little bit of stats from BRÅ (Brottsförebyggande Rådet = An authority under the Ministry of Justice, which all political parties rely on). Suspicion of sex crime in the population have increased from 5782 to 7839 persons (real values) between 2014-2018. Rape against women 18 years of age and older between 2009-2018 have increased by 46%. Rape against men 18 years of age and older between 2009-2018 have increased by 91%. Drug crimes have increased by 33% between 2009-2018. Those figures are scary mate, no wonder Sweden has been tagged the rape capital of Europe, in your opinion why have these figures risen so dramatically in a short period of time ? good luck with your kitchen did you buy it from Ikea ? take care and stay away from those no go zones which don't exist according to the libtards in the UK., God help your youngsters it is so sad to see what is happening in your beautiful homeland.
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 29, 2019 8:14:47 GMT
I'm busy fixing things in my kitchen, but here's a little bit of stats from BRÅ (Brottsförebyggande Rådet = An authority under the Ministry of Justice, which all political parties rely on). Suspicion of sex crime in the population have increased from 5782 to 7839 persons (real values) between 2014-2018. Rape against women 18 years of age and older between 2009-2018 have increased by 46%. Rape against men 18 years of age and older between 2009-2018 have increased by 91%. Drug crimes have increased by 33% between 2009-2018. Those figures are scary mate, no wonder Sweden has been tagged the rape capital of Europe, in your opinion why have these figures risen so dramatically in a short period of time ? good luck with your kitchen did you buy it from Ikea ? take care and stay away from those no go zones which don't exist according to the libtards in the UK., God help your youngsters it is so sad to see what is happening in your beautiful homeland. Rape capital of Europe?? This is extremely misleading and the quote has got a lot of people including Farage into a lot of trouble. Rape laws in Sweden are totally different than any other EU country,their definition is different too.In the last 20 years (before large immigration) Sweden changed its rape laws and the rates shot up immediately.
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Post by Northy on Oct 29, 2019 8:24:18 GMT
Those figures are scary mate, no wonder Sweden has been tagged the rape capital of Europe, in your opinion why have these figures risen so dramatically in a short period of time ? good luck with your kitchen did you buy it from Ikea ? take care and stay away from those no go zones which don't exist according to the libtards in the UK., God help your youngsters it is so sad to see what is happening in your beautiful homeland. Rape capital of Europe?? This is extremely misleading and the quote has got a lot of people including Farage into a lot of trouble. Rape laws in Sweden are totally different than any other EU country,their definition is different too.In the last 20 years (before large immigration) Sweden changed its rape laws and the rates shot up immediately. Agree, that's why Assange was holed up as Sweden wanted him on rape charges. Their new laws almost require you having a video or written consent to say she/he does consent. It does make it tough on men when women/men can go to the police after the event (regret, dislike, drunk and can't remember saying yes etc.) and it is one word v another
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Post by musik on Oct 29, 2019 9:00:45 GMT
Rape capital of Europe?? This is extremely misleading and the quote has got a lot of people including Farage into a lot of trouble. Rape laws in Sweden are totally different than any other EU country,their definition is different too.In the last 20 years (before large immigration) Sweden changed its rape laws and the rates shot up immediately. Agree, that's why Assange was holed up as Sweden wanted him on rape charges. Their new laws almost require you having a video or written consent to say she/he does consent. It does make it tough on men when women/men can go to the police after the event (regret, dislike, drunk and can't remember saying yes etc.) and it is one word v another Yes, but this, the so called "Samtyckeslagen", wasn't implemented until 1st of July 2018. So the stats I presented have other reasons. Also, notice only seven cases in a year (2018-2019) have involved lack of consent. Six of them were convicted. So the rise in the last four years is genuine. The minimum penalty for gross rape and gross rape against children have risen from 4 to 5 years in prison. A friendly advice to you politicians, while you're at it make it 500 years and another 500 years if it was during the influence of any kind of drug ... because last week I read an article in the flow saying by now the first person has been born who is likely to be 1000 years (thanks to medical research).
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Post by musik on Oct 29, 2019 9:56:16 GMT
Those figures are scary mate, no wonder Sweden has been tagged the rape capital of Europe, in your opinion why have these figures risen so dramatically in a short period of time ? good luck with your kitchen did you buy it from Ikea ? take care and stay away from those no go zones which don't exist according to the libtards in the UK., God help your youngsters it is so sad to see what is happening in your beautiful homeland. Thanks! Actually, I'm trying to construct a four pieces curtain board made of spruce for my curtain rod, because they have lowered my inner ceiling when it was raining through the wall there (which says a lot since the wall is made of bricks, 41 cm deep). They lowered it too much though, so there is no longer any wall above the window! So now I have twig warnished, used a wood filler, primed and then half gloss painted the whole thing twice. Then I did put the four pieces together by screws. The wall goes at an angle so it's tricky. On the left we have a wall made of bricks and on the right a drywall. But when I was about to drill through the thin drywall yesterday there was wood behind it, to my surprise. No sound indicated that. So the plaster anchor is of no use now. I will come back to crime stats etc. In the meantime, economist Tino Sanandaji has written a book about these things (in Swedish) called "Massutmaning". Maybe it's possible to order it to the nearest library over there? And with use of a dictionary ... or google translate. Time for some screwing.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 29, 2019 11:16:47 GMT
Those figures are scary mate, no wonder Sweden has been tagged the rape capital of Europe, in your opinion why have these figures risen so dramatically in a short period of time ? good luck with your kitchen did you buy it from Ikea ? take care and stay away from those no go zones which don't exist according to the libtards in the UK., God help your youngsters it is so sad to see what is happening in your beautiful homeland. Rape capital of Europe?? This is extremely misleading and the quote has got a lot of people including Farage into a lot of trouble. Rape laws in Sweden are totally different than any other EU country,their definition is different too.In the last 20 years (before large immigration) Sweden changed its rape laws and the rates shot up immediately. About 58% of men convicted in Sweden of rape and attempted rape over the past five years were born abroad, according to data from Swedish national TV.
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I think the Swedes will have a better handle on the truth than others.
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Post by Northy on Nov 2, 2019 14:14:16 GMT
Sounding worse by the day yesterday, 6 explosions in a day, somebody saying a 28 year old executed in the street, is this gang fighting?
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 2, 2019 14:35:25 GMT
While this thread is confused I'll mention the City of Dresden has voted for a Nazi emergency due to the far right influence in the city and in Saxony in general.
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